Range Results .308 with #311413

[atr]

Range results
.308 Savage 99C (not exactly a "target" rifle) / Lyman #311413 / 170 gr spitzer / sized .310 / 18 gr of 2400 / 50 yards
NO crimp....case neck expanded with 0.309 expander
shots are within 1.5 x 1.5

this is as good as Ive been able to get (so far)

[Larry Gibson]

Atr

That is looking real good so far. Keep us informed on your progress with that bullet.

Larry Gibson

[atr]

here is the latest...shot today
.308 Savage 99C
#311413 sized .311 / 170 grain
14 grains of 2400
boolit seated so it was 0.05" shy of the lands

16 shots within a 1.5 x 1.75 rectangle at 50 yards

[NoDakJak]

I'm itching and twitching to try this boolit. The weather finally warmed up a bit and most of the snow melted off the range and it was drying out. Yes it WAS! Thursday night it dropped to thirteen below and dropped another four or five inches of snow on us. I want to begin testing this boolit in the old Ruger #3 chambered for 30-40 and a Savage 219 chambered. I recently found a Stevens 325 in pretty good shape for a decent price and will add it to the test rifles. I enjoy winter but by golly this one seems to be dragging on! Neil

[atr]

Hey Neil,
yea the weather...ugh....day before yesterday I woke up with 2" of snow on the ground ...very unusual for this area....

I fired the remaining 8 rounds out at 75 yards and the pattern open up just slightly...all were within a 2" dia circle.

[NoDakJak]

I went to the gunshow at Glendive, montana today and was offered another 311413 mold for a very good price. I'm trying to make a trade for it but if that doesn't work out I will probably buy it. It appears to be in almost new condition.
I don't have many of these boolits cast as I no longer have any heat in my shop due to a chimney fire. As soon as it gets into the forties I will be casting again. Then it is range time. Last fall I had began testing drier lint as a case filler and have had very good luck with it. It appears to insulate and protect the bases of plain based and also gas check bullet minus the gascheck. I read somewhere lately that smokeless powder would not swage up the bases of cast boolits. That is a fallacy! 257464, ninety grain cast of acww and minus the gascheck shows no evidence of the rebate for the gascheck on recovered slugs. Using this boolit in my Model 23 Savage chambered for the 25-20 I have cut my group sizes by more than fifty percent over the normal gaschecked load. Great results but very labor intensive in that small case. I am hoping for similar results with this boolit. Neil

[kjg]

I love that 311413 bullet, sometime ago people stopped using it , I had trouble with it out of a .308 but it soilder on in my 3/ 30-06's, and even had a total blast out of my moisins, but it really shines out of my ak's and sks ecpecially the chicom, I shootem unsized just gaschecked and wow its awsome, working on it for my daughter, she loves the rifle and talks day over day about using it to nock down her first buck this comming fall, sure don't know were that comes from :-) .kjg

[atr]

I've had alot of trouble with it in my .308 also....but in the 30-06 it does a much better job. I was reading an old Ideal manual last night and they had several pages of loads and performance from shooters all around the country and they were all shooting this boolit from 30-06's.

[atr]

the best yet

[qajaq59]

I have an old #311413 mold, that was given to me. I did several searches about it and most of what I found were negative results so I didn't bother to use it. After reading all this maybe I'll dig it back out and do a little testing with the 2400 powder. It is an easy bullet to cast and it looks nice.
Thanks for stirring me up enough to try it..........

[JKH]

I wasnt sure what boolit you were talking about but did a search for a picture, I have 100+ of these that a deceased gentleman cast 30 to 40 years ago, nice looking boolit so I am checking them up and tumble lubing with LLA, any suggestions on a load with IMR4227 or IMR7625?

The LEE tumble lube 7.62x39 Ed harris boolit reminds me of this one except for the lube grooves, that mold cast so easy it made me think something was wrong when i first got it!

Jeff

[atr]

Jeff,,,what are you shooting these in??....I dont have any data for 7.62x39 for either of those two powders you mentioned....

[JKH]

atr,

'06 and .308, maybey 7.62x54R later

Jeff

[madsenshooter]

I can't understand where this boolit got such a bad rep. I've been reading some about it on the CBA forum, and they're saying it's worthless at much over 1200fps. I've had some good luck with it in my Krag, and with the front band bumped down to .305 it fits the throat of a K31 very good. Mine is the Belding and Mull version, but virtually the same boolit. The wind flags are hanging straight down and it's 55 degrees, time for some fun!

[atr]

Hi Madsen shooter.....
in my experience this boolit does better with the slower velocities.
Im probably shooting this at about 1500fps max

Ive also noticed that my rifle with 1:10 twist (30-06) shoots this much better than the 1:12 twist (.308Win).

.

[atr]

Savage 99C / 308Win
a 10 shot group at 75 yards shot at dusk
measures 1.5 x 1.75
14 grains of 2400 / #311413 sized at .311 / 170gr

[mrbill2]

It working for me a 1730 fps. 18 grs/A2400 10 shots at 100 yds. Rem. 700 in 308 Alloy 100% WWAC
White Lable Lube. :-D

[Slow Elk 45/70]

I have 2 molds for this boolit and it shoots fine for me in my winnie 88 in .308's, i like 18 gr. 2400. shoots as good as I hold.

[qajaq59]

I got a few hundred of them cast. Now all I need is for my supplier to get some 2400 so I can try loading them. Powder is getting to be a rare commodity around here.

[keeper89]

I too read the low velocity tag over at cba. A buddy just loaned me a 2 cav lyman version that looks as if it has never seen any lead--a situation I rectified. Sized the lot I cast so far (around 500) to 314 to use in my mk 4 smle. Will be playing with them and 2400 as well as 5744. Once the snow breaks from the range that is....will report in a couple of weeks......

[NoDakJak]

What is the normal diameter of this boolit? i cast up about a hundred of them yesterday. They are slightly oval meqsuring .314 to .316. I sized them to .313 to try in my new Remington SR-18 that is chambered to 7.62X39 and has a .312 bore. I hope to try them today if the range has dried up enough to get in. Is it feasible to size this large a boolit on down to .311 for use in my other 30 caliber rifles? Neil

[mrbill2]

Mine cast the same with WWAC. I size then down to .309 for my 308 Win.. I first size to .311 then .308.
Mr. Bill2

[atr]

mine cast at 0.312, very consistantly.....and very consistant at 170 gr.

[HandgunHTR]

I just got a 311413 for use in my .30 Herrett for shooting steel.

I have it from a good source that these bullets also like "dirty" powder. So maybe these people that are having issues with them are those that like to have thier bores squeaky clean.

[NoDakJak]

The day before yesterday I took my new Remington SR-18 that is chambered to 7.62X39 to the range. Loads were 311413, acww, sized to .314 and stoked with 5.3 grains of PB. I quickly learned several things.#1 You need aspecial tool to adjust that front sight for elevation. I need to either buy or make one. You would think that one should come with the rifle. #2 The comb is too high for open sight use. I had to snug my cheek very tight against the stock to use the sights and even though I only fired ten rounds of these light "Flea Bite" loads my cheekbone still feels as if Ali smacked me. #3 The trigger pull is looong and heavy.
This morning I mounted a new four power NC-Star scope on it. Nice little scope for this particular use. I used my Bushnell Bore Sighter to pre-sight it in. Man oh man that Bushnell lies to you!!! Second rifle this week! Should have been pretty close on at 100 yards. Wasn't on the paper! Wasn't on at fifty yards and not at twenty five yards eithe! At ten yrds it was finally on the paper, BARELY!! Thank god I had a couple volunteer shooters and scorers today as my bum knees wouldn't have stood the stress of running back and forth. I took ten factory rounds, fifteen rounds with 311413 loaded ahead of 16.0 grains of 1680 and fifteen rounds of the 5.3 grain PB loads. I will have to load up some more of both the PB and 1680 loads for testing and chronographing tommorow. The last group was with the PB load was under one inch with a called flyer opening it to 1 1/4" at 25 yards. The group was horizonal. i lay the blame on this on the Verdamnt fifteen pound trigger. Neil

[Lead melter]

atr,
I'll stir up the stink around here a bit by suggesting that you size thos boolits down a bit. My own personal results are that I have gotten better accuracy in each instance by sizing the 30 cal boolits down to .308" or .309".

Now grant you, I have not loaded for several hundred different rifles, but 3 Marlins with MicroGrooves, a Howa/Vanguard 308, and a T/C Encore have all liked the smaller size than the .310" or .311".

I noticed in your first post that you did not crimp, if that is the case in all reports, I would also suggest giving the case a good crimp.

No critcisms here, just things you might try.

[Throwback]

They work best at low vel but seated to the rifling they can be made to shoot at middling velocity. it is a good "target" bullet. 311041 & 311291 are of similar weight but are more forgiving.

I have an extra in good condition - PM me if interested.

[atr]

Hi Lead Melter,,
I have sized down to .308, .309 and I have tried with crimps....what you are seeing is the result of many different combinations having been tried,,,,with this particular rifle my best results have been without crimping and sizing to .311

truth be told I think I could improve my groups by cleaning up the savage 99 trigger (got some creep)

[atr]

range results #311413 sized .309 light crimp....16 gr 2400
5@50
5@75
the above 10 shots all within 2x2.25 pattern
10@100
the last 8 of 10 within 3.5x2.5......note the two flyers at the top..

this loading seems to open up alot at the 100 yd range....or,,,sad to say....it could have been me....

[NoDakJak]

A friend just informed me that he is having very good luck with this boolit in competition. If I remember correctly both rifles are Model 95 Winchesters. The 30-06 uses 15.5 grains of 7625 and the 30-40 uses 13.5 grains of the same powder. Alloy is acww with 2% tin added. Size to fit your barrel and seat just shy of the rifling. No filler!
I certainly have not got nearly as much testing done this summer as I would prefer. Hopefully I can try this load in my #3 Ruger chambered for 30-40 within the next few days. Neil

[qajaq59]

Thank You. Way back on March 4 you guys got me re-interested in the #311413 cast bullet and told me the best combo of powder etc. I did use it with the A2400 powder suggested and at 50 yards it shoots like a charm. I'm having a ball with it, and at 15 grs of powder I can shoot lots of it each and every week.