Rossi Brawler 45/410 single shot

[lar45]

I picked up a Rossi Brawler 45/410 single shot pistol up the other day.
http://www.lsstuff.com/pics/brawler/brawler-01.jpg

I had an old Swift 1.25x4 scope sitting around and mounted it.
I had a box of factory 255gn 45 colt ammo and some light loads that I'd made up for a Judge with a 235 and 6gns of 700X. I also had some heavier loads for my Rugers with a 275 and 2400 powder.

The 235s shot pretty good at 25yds.
http://www.lsstuff.com/pics/brawler/brawler-02.jpg

I tried the 275s and they keyholed in the target, so I stopped shooting them. The pistol has a 1:24" twist rate, so I'm not sure if it was the twist rate or maybe shallow rifling?
My Rossi 92 rifle in 45 colt has slower rifling and shoots the 275s just fine, so maybe it's the shallow rifling? Maybe I'll do a chamber cast and see just how shallow it is?

The scope base came loose a couple of times while shooting. I tried tightening it down, but it just vibrated loose again.
So I pulled it, degreased the barrel, base and screws and put some Blue locktite on.
It did look like there was some thread locker installed at the factory, but there was also a large amount of oil under and around the scope base, so maybe the thread locker didn't setup properly?

I shot up what little bit of light ammo I had, so I need to load some more, remount and rezero the scope and see if the accuracy will hold at 75 yds from the bench...

[Electrod47]

I have been on a mission for the last decade to acquire all things (economical) .410...I want one of those, be really handy for the 4-wheeler down by the creek. Thanks for the good news on a .45LC load for it. Not to pry, could you share the out the door cost on that baby.

[lar45]

On Gunbroker it was $219, $40 shipping, $35 transfer.

[Texas by God]

How about the shot pattern at 20 feet?
Is it better than the Judge? Hopefully!


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[lar45]

I did a chamber cast and the 45 colt section is .480" at the breach, then tapers to .479" at 1.3".
Then it starts at .469" and tapers to .463" along a 1.710" section.
There is a short .100" section that tapers to the rifling.
The rifling measures .4535" x .4445"

I got some more 235s loaded up with 700X and will see if it holds groups at 75 yds from the bench.

I put a trigger pull gauge on it and it breaks just a smidge over 4.5#

[vonfilm]

I wish they made a carbine version.

[FergusonTO35]

I wish they made a carbine version.

Totally agree! Give it real rifle sights too.

[Texas by God]

You’ve got me looking for one.
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[Mk42gunner]

I've thought about getting one for a lawnmowing/ tractor gun. IF, big IF, I get one, it will probably not see much use with .45 Colt ammo.

Kind of the modern version of a Marble's Game Getter.

Robert

[FergusonTO35]

I wonder how shotshells would perform out of a carbine length rifled barrel? I think H&R made a Survivor 18" barrel gun so chambered for a little while.

[Mk42gunner]

Better be a very slow twist, if you want any kind of decent pattern.

I tried a 2½" .410 out of a .45-70 once. IIRC it was a Marlin Model 1895SS 22" barrel. Just shooting at dirt, a nice wide 18" pattern at 10 yards or so, but it had a hole in the center of the pattern you could easily throw a football though right.

Robert

[lar45]

It has a 1:24 twist

[Outpost75]

FWIW .44-40 Game Getter shot patterns wide, but evenly out of a 1:38" twist Microgroove Marlin with no "doughnut". More like a skeet pattern OK on small game to 25 feet or so using fine shot like No.8 or 9. Faster twist and deeper rifling is no good for shot unless you know how big the doughnut hole is and can condition yourself not to aim directly at Mr. Wabbit.

317325

Typical .410 cylinder bore pattern at 10 metres with 1/2 oz. No. 4 shot illustrates the foolishness of using larger shot. Best you can hope for is not very good. You must use fine shot not larger than No.7-1/2 to have adequate pattern density even at close range.

[FergusonTO35]

I think TauRossi would have a hit on their hands if they made a version of the Judge as a strictly .45 Colt with appropriate length frame and cylinder. Compact big bore revolvers are very fashionable and command high prices when you can actually find them. I'm interested to see how the Brawler does with .45 Colt, I know some Judges do quite well with it.

[gwpercle]

That is Totally Awesome .... I Like it :drinks: Congratulations !

Rossi makes some neat stuff ... I wasn't aware of the "Brawler" ...
I'm going to pay more attention to what they sell ...
Great Price too !
Gary

[Outpost75]

Here is a 25 foot pattern fired in 38 inch twist Marlin Microgroove .44-40 firing handloaded .44 Game Getter shot, 1/3oz. No.8

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D1C repair center used for patterning is 11 inches square with inner circle 4 inches, outer circle 8 inches.

Sure would be nice if somebody would use this protocol on the Rossi so that people would know how it compares.

[Johnch]

Interesting


I just had a REALLY BAD IDEA or Thought
With the chamber long enough for a 2 1/2"410
What would happen if some Know It All stuck a 454 Casual round
Or even worse a 460 S&W factory load in it and pulled the trigger ?

Not sure if that pistol could stand up to that long term
I guess I just like my fingers the way they are

John

[FergusonTO35]

I think the fact that those rounds are very expensive and guaranteed not to be on the shelf at cheap mart all but precludes the possibility!

[Lionel Allen]

I have a NEF Survival gun in 45/410. It is Mom’s garter snake gun. (Don’t ask)
22? 24? Inch barrel.
Interchangeable chokes with spares in the plastic thumb hole buttstock.
Typical break action single shot.
The extractor has a tendency to override to rim of a 45 Colt rim, but since it is never fired
last 12 feet it is a 410x2 1/2” only.
410 shells are expensive when you can find them.
Good thing it doesn’t go through more than a box of shells in a year

[lar45]

Interesting


I just had a REALLY BAD IDEA or Thought
With the chamber long enough for a 2 1/2"410
What would happen if some Know It All stuck a 454 Casual round
Or even worse a 460 S&W factory load in it and pulled the trigger ?

Not sure if that pistol could stand up to that long term
I guess I just like my fingers the way they are

John

The 45 colt chamber is cut to about 1.3" long, so a 454 or 460 won't fit. I tried, just to see if I could use longer brass like 444 or 410 magtech brass cases.

[cwlongshot]

This thing really intrigues me. I love the 410's.

Id be interested on how it could shoot with longer cases in 45 colt guise. Or FL Brass 410.

I know its just a fun gun but might be a nice camp / ATV companion.

CW

[lar45]

It will not chamber a 45 cartridge longer than 45 Colt . There's a definite step down in size. I did a chamber cast and took measurements, they should be in a previous post in this thread.
I'm almost thinking about having it reamed out to take 45-444 brass or 410 brass cases.

[Texas by God]

They are out of stock everywhere I looked.
A video that I watched showed decent patterns with bird shot; making it instantly interesting to me.
My brother had a Taurus Raging Judge .454 and that thing was dumber than a Desert Eagle….in my opinion.
And .410 shot patterns had big holes fired from it.


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[lar45]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1007513759

[Texas by God]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1007513759

Thanks for the link. I’m hoping to see one in person first but ordering may be necessary.


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[FergusonTO35]

For a cheap gun they seem to be pretty well made. If Rossi made a carbine version with real sights they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. It would be a great choice for hunting in straight wall states, assuming it shoots .45's decent. Customers have told me the Judge shoots .45's surprisingly well.

[rintinglen]

If by "surprisingly well", your customers meant to compare it to a dog walking on its hindlegs, I suppose it might be said. Johnson:, "...like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."

My own observation is that at other than arm's length, a Judge is not at all accurate. My brother described his as "patterning like a donut, grouping like a pattern and too light for a boat anchor." YMMV, but I doubt it.

[FergusonTO35]

That's just what they tell me, I have zero interest in anything .410/.45. Already have a .410 H&R and wouldn't want to shoot that round in a handgun for way more recoil and much worse patterning. A single shot .45 Colt carbine for two bills would be a really good seller though, 'specially if they also offered it in .357 or even .44. Even at $300.00 I think it would sell really well.

[cwlongshot]

Thats one thing Id be doing right off!! A couple .454 balls in a 410 case!!

CW

[lar45]

I agree, a straight 45 colt, 357, or even 44 spl would be a great seller.

[Captain Wheelgun]

I agree, a straight 45 colt, 357, or even 44 spl would be a great seller.

Or a .327 Federal, to shoot the whole .32 family.

[Texas by God]

Or a .327 Federal, to shoot the whole .32 family.

Just a stub job away- I like your thinking there.


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[gwpercle]

Interesting


I just had a REALLY BAD IDEA or Thought
With the chamber long enough for a 2 1/2"410
What would happen if some Know It All stuck a 454 Casual round
Or even worse a 460 S&W factory load in it and pulled the trigger ?

Not sure if that pistol could stand up to that long term
I guess I just like my fingers the way they are

John

Rule #1 - Use the correct ammo . Every firearm is not intended to fire every cartridge made ... just because it fits into the chamber , that doesn't mean you can / should shoot it .

My Daddy would tell me ..." Boy , Don't be acting the Fool ... Think about what you doing ! "