Red Dot in 375H&H?

[groovy mike]

I tried searching for 375 H&H and I'm surprised that I didn't turn up any results.

My 375 H&H plinker load is 15 grains of red dot behind a wad to hold the powder at the bottom of the case but I have always wondered if the wadding is necessary.

Does anyone here have experience loading Red Dot in 375 H&H without a wad or filler?

[Outpost75]

The #375449 without GC, 13 grains of Red Dot. No filler needed. Approximates .38-55. Effective woods deer load.

[Larry Gibson]

As Outpost75 mentions, no filler is needed with Red Dot in the 375 H&H case. Nor would I use one in my own 375 H&H with such a fast powder.

[groovy mike]

The #375449 without GC, 13 grains of Red Dot. No filler needed. Approximates .38-55. Effective woods deer load.

Thanks Outpost75. I suspected as much. Have you shot many of these loads?

[groovy mike]

As Outpost75 mentions, no filler is needed with Red Dot in the 375 H&H case. Nor would I use one in my own 375 H&H with such a fast powder.

Thanks Larry. Have you shot much Red Dot without filler in your 375 H&H?

[Outpost75]

Thanks Outpost75. I suspected as much. Have you shot many of these loads?

Only a few thousand. Killiing truckoads of game over the last 50 years or so.

Bullseye, TiteGroup, WST, 452AA, 700-X also work.

[groovy mike]

That's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you!

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I was only able to find 7, I thought there would be more.

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https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?446771-375h-amp-h-reduced-load-with-red-dot-pressure&p=5452176

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?352360-Reduced-375-H-amp-H-loads

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?4109-The-Load-13-grains-Red-Dot

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?399972-375-H-amp-H-and-cast-boolits

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?16959-375-H-amp-H-Gallery-or-Reduced-Loads

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-368854.html

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-115733.html

[jonp]

Used similar in my 416 without stuffing. Seems ok but that is a lot of empty case

[Larry Gibson]

Thanks Larry. Have you shot much Red Dot without filler in your 375 H&H?

Not a lot of Red Dot but quite a bit of Bullseye under RBs, some 130 gr conicals and the 375248. The 13 gr Red Dot load mentions is an excellent one and I've used it. However, I've been working with Bullseye under the 375248 off and on working on a load that runs in the 1050 - 1200 fps range. 10 gr of Red Dot gets me down in the mid 1100s but Bullseye seems to be doing better for the lower end plinking/small game load to replace my RB load for such. Haven't perfected any load yet though, too many other irons in the fire.

[Outpost75]

My professional hunting guide friend in SA has used 13-16 grains of any available shotgun powder with 250-280-grain cast FN bullet for years to shoot hundreds of head of plains game for biltong to avoid shooting out barrels of his work guns with full- charge loaded and jacketed bullets. He also breaks down found 7.62x39 ammo and dumps the powder charge into a .375 and it works fine.

[M-Tecs]

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[groovy mike]

Very interesting Outpost75. I've swapped powder and bullet from 7.62x39 over into 303 British and that works quite well too.

[groovy mike]

I was only able to find 7, I thought there would be more.

Pro tip:
Use Google for searching our website, just add keywords to site:castboolits.gunloads.com in the search window.

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https://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-115733.html

Thank you JonB ! You have not only given me some reding to do but taught me a valuable thing as well!

[missionary5155]

That search tip is a big help ! Thank you John !!

[groovy mike]

Range report:

I loaded up a handful of loads with Red Dot but without wad or filler.

All the loads functioned perfectly well in my Winchester model 70.
15 grains of Red Dot with my cast 255 grain bullet delivered a group well under 2 inches at 100 yards.
Any failure to get tighter groups is due to my shooting. I'm convinced that 15 grain load will do everything I need it to. I won't bother adding a wad over the powder anymore and I'll keep picking up more Red Dot when I find it.

Thank-you gentlemen for all your assistance and encouragement.

[Outpost75]

Very interesting Outpost75. I've swapped powder and bullet from 7.62x39 over into 303 British and that works quite well too.

Yes, indeed! My friend in SA does that also.

[upnorthwis]

Years ago I shot a cast bullet silhouette match with my M70 in .375 H&H. When the match director found out what caliber I was shooting the sweat came off him like the pilot with the drinking problem in the movie Airplane. To make matters worse, I told him I was going to hit the chickens so hard they would be out by the pig line. But after touching one off with 10 gr. of Red Dot (no filler), he had a good laugh.

[john.k]

Long cases and small charges of fast powder...be careful you dont ring the chamber.

[groovy mike]

tell me your concern with my load of 15 grains of Red Dot in 375 H&H? Are you advocating to use a wad or filler or do you have another topic that needs addressing?

[Outpost75]

Long cases and small charges of fast powder...be careful you dont ring the chamber.


Much more likely to ring the chamber using a filler! Filler becomes projectile and bullet base acts as bore obstruction. Red Dot ignites easily and burns uniformly at low loading densities. No filler is needed or recommended.

[Larry Gibson]

I also do not recommend the use of a wad or filler [they are different] with such fast burning powders.

[lead chucker]

I have shot 32 cal round balls in my 300 blackout bolt gun with 3 gr bullseye. Kind of like a 22 lr. Never thought about it in my 375 H&H. Might be a new project.

[Larry Gibson]

I use a Hornady .375 RB [though I could cast my own as I have the mould] with a light coat of LLA well dried. Loaded over 4 gr of Bullseye [no filler or wad] they run right at 900 fps out of my M70 and are minute of blue grouse, ptarmigan, rabbit or hare out to 50 yards +/-. With a NS'd case I seat them so the diameter is at the case mouth then apply a light crimp. With one round in the M70 mag [right side] which feeds I then put one up the spout for a "two shooter".

[pworley1]

I have never used a filler with red dot in any load for any caliber.

[lead chucker]

I see a lot of guys like to use red dot. Wouldn't Unique be a better choice i have a decent amount of each. What size round ball would you use.This is interest ing. Last time i shot my 375 H&H I shot a brown bear and that was a log while ago. Haven't needed it since then. Seems like a waste of lead when you could achieve the same thing with a smaller caliber like a 308 win. But use what you have and have a good time doing it. I am always experimenting with something to see how it works. I have a winchester model 70 375 its heavy to pack around all day but so are my black powder Hawken rifles. I love to hunt snow shoe hairs in late fall when they turn white and there is not snow yet, easier to see. The 375 project might be fun for that.

[groovy mike]

I have also wondered about using Unique now that my Trail Boss supply is getting low. But Red Dot seemed to be the natural place to start given the universal application of The Load. Using Unique for low pressure loads in 375 H&H might be worth its own topic thread.

[Larry Gibson]

Red Dot and Bullseye both ignite, burn efficiently and give less powder position sensitivity than Unique. By the time Unique, with the RB or very light weight bullet, burns efficiently with decent powder position sensitivity, the velocity is usually sonic with accuracy not as good especially out at 30 - 50 yards+.

I've a few conical bullets for 36 C&B revolvers. The front 2 drive bands run .375 with the bottom one at .370. Going to try those in the 800 - 1000 fps range. If I still lived in elk, caribou, moose Brown/Grizzly, ptarmigan, blue grouse and snow shoe hare country I would get the accurate 38-150R mould and cast those of 30 -r 40-1 alloy, sized and lube at .377 and load over Red Dot or Bullseye to 800 - 900 fps. They would be, no doubt quite accurate for small game and fun plinking out to 100 yards.