Winchester 50-100-450

[shrapnel]

I just picked up a beautiful rifle with a whole bunch of special order features…

Rifle1/2 octagon barrel

matted

1 pound extra heavy.

Set trigger

1/2 magazine 5 cartridges

checked stock pistol grip

shotgun butt

oil finish.

Sling and swivel

oval silver name plate in fore-arm 1″ long

Length of stock 14″,

Lyman wind gauge, set screw in front sight

no rear sight seat.

It is in excellent original condition with a bright bore. I got a box of ammunition with it, loaded with jacketed bullets, from Buffalo Arms. I think I will pull the bullets and reload them with cast bullets…

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[oldcanadice]

Never heard of a set trigger on a lever gun. Is that for real? and if so, how does it work?

[Rockingkj]

Beautiful 1886 Deluxe rifle! Yes Virginia, there was factory set triggers on leaver guns. That is a super gun! Very scare cal. That is one in my bucket list want to own. Can I have it? Lol

[Rust]

Can you tell the bore twist? My 50 EX is 1-52, 50-100-450 should be faster.

[HWooldridge]

Wow! That’s quite a beauty!

[longbow]

Not sure about options for Winchesters but the 1881 Marlin was available with double set triggers:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/70/77/marlin-model-1881-lever-action-rifle-with-double-set-triggers

I just learned that! I have an 1881 Marlin I am getting back into shooting shape... almost there!

That 1886 is a single set trigger from what I can see in the pic. Is it set by pushing forward?

Very nice gun by the way! She's a beauty!

Longbow

[Jeff Michel]

Get a hold of me when you get tired of this one. I have one slot left in my safe, looks like a perfect fit.:mrgreen:

[JimB..]

Wow, awesome acquisition!

[shrapnel]

Got it loaded and to the gopher fields…



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[ohiochuck]

Wow-Wow is right
Great find Shrapnel!

[Rockingkj]

Too bad it’s not a 50-110. Charging gophers you need to be sure to anchor him. 50-100 might not be enough gun without precise placement. Lol That’s a dandy.

[barkerwc4362]

Actually the 50-100 used the heavier 450 grain bullet. The 50-110 used a lighter 300 grain bullet. Same case, just different powder charge, bullet and barrel twist rate. So to stop a serious charge I believe I would op for the heavier bullet. Love the wood on the 1886! I have a Browning 1886 with custom wood and it can't hold a candle to that wood. Even my lovely Marlin 1893 doesn't have that much contrast.

Bill

[Nueces]

The wood is heart stopping, but what really sparks me is the checkered top flat, and right out on the round part to the front sight. Never saw that before.

[Rick B]

Congratulations on your latest acquisition That Rifle will be hard to surpass. Would be really interesting, to see the original invoice price and shipping records. When it comes to 1886 Winchesters the 50-100-450 chambering was the rarest. My compliments to the original owner for selecting the additional Special Order features. This is truly a one of a kind Rifle.

Years ago two Winchester Collectors from Alaska were given access to the original 1886 Winchester Factory Records. They were focused on documenting every 50-100-450. This treatise was published in 1997. They recorded only 331, 50-100-450 chambered rifles. The first one was produced in 1894.
Rick

[freakonaleash]

Nifty.

[BFJ]

Great rifle.

[shrapnel]

Congratulations on your latest acquisition That Rifle will be hard to surpass. Would be really interesting, to see the original invoice price and shipping records. When it comes to 1886 Winchesters the 50-100-450 chambering was the rarest. My compliments to the original owner for selecting the additional Special Order features. This is truly a one of a kind Rifle.

Years ago two Winchester Collectors from Alaska were given access to the original 1886 Winchester Factory Records. They were focused on documenting every 50-100-450. This treatise was published in 1997. They recorded only 331, 50-100-450 chambered rifles. The first one was produced in 1894.
Rick


I got the document by Jim Paul and Tom Adams on the 50-100-450. It may not be the finest record of the 50-100-450, but it does cover a bunch of the history on that cartridge. 50 caliber Winchesters are scarce and valuable, 50-100-450 is the crown jewel and 13 special order features make this a real “one of a kind” rifle…

[snowwolfe]

Pretty rifle. Makes me wonder what the original owner had in mine for it.

[barkerwc4362]

Back in the mid 80's while stationed at Fort Lewis I saw an 1886 in one of the 50 caliber chamberings at the Pyallup gunshow. Unfortunately the barrel looked like a sewer pipe on the inside with some enormous pits. I don't remember whether it was 50-100 or 50-110. I just remember the condition of the barrel. The guy still wanted what I considered a small fortune for it.

Bill

[John Taylor]

I traded into a model 71 action and built a 50-100-450 out of it. It was a bit of fun, the wood came off of a new model 1886 so I ended up buying a lower tang to fit the wood and then machining it to fit the action. It has a 30" octagon barrel and a full length mag tube. Hope to get out a shoot it soon.

[JFE]

That is a magnificent 1886 rifle. The special order features make it truely unique and very desirable.

I’ve never seen that front sight before. Any idea what it is? I assume it’s adjustable.

[shrapnel]

That is a magnificent 1886 rifle. The special order features make it truely unique and very desirable.

I’ve never seen that front sight before. Any idea what it is? I assume it’s adjustable.

It is a globe sight with interchangeable aperture and micrometer wind adjustment…

[shrapnel]

I traded into a model 71 action and built a 50-100-450 out of it. It was a bit of fun, the wood came off of a new model 1886 so I ended up buying a lower tang to fit the wood and then machining it to fit the action. It has a 30" octagon barrel and a full length mag tube. Hope to get out a shoot it soon.

I am assuming, you already know the internals of that action have to be modified to work the 50-110 cartridge...

[Shawlerbrook]

Museum quality rifle.

[John Taylor]

I am assuming, you already know the internals of that action have to be modified to work the 50-110 cartridge...

I have done about 15 of these conversions. There are slight differences between the original Winchesters and later models when doing the conversion.

[Mk42gunner]

Got it loaded and to the gopher fields…



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Seeing that gopher brings to mind a paraphrase of the movie Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid: "Think you used enough gun there Shrapnel?"

The extra pound and the shotgun butt are probably the two best special order features for shooting comfort.

Robert

[veeman]

Awesome!

[Frank V]

shrapnel, that’s a beautiful rifle. Congratulations.

[skeettx]

Shrapnel, will you adopt me? :)

[missionary5155]

Caliber .50 Winchesters are certainly the way to go.

[shrapnel]

Can you tell the bore twist? My 50 EX is 1-52, 50-100-450 should be faster.

The twist is 1/54 and is marked as such under the barrel. The 50-110 was an express cartridge and was 1/60 for a lighter 300 grain bullet…



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[shrapnel]

I got the document by Jim Paul and Tom Adams on the 50-100-450. It may not be the finest record of the 50-100-450, but it does cover a bunch of the history on that cartridge. 50 caliber Winchesters are scarce and valuable, 50-100-450 is the crown jewel and 13 special order features make this a real “one of a kind” rifle…


I took the 50-100-450 to the collector show in Greeley, Colorado, and met Tom Adams there. He is a serious collector and we discussed all the virtues of this rifle and he was very complimentary of the gun and its condition. Better than that, Tom is a great person to meet and share the enthusiasm of these guns and their collector attributes…

[indian joe]

i reckon that 86 is in its rightful home (better than any "serious collector" or museum would give it) It will get treated with the reverence that its due, but better than that, every now and then it will get to breathe fire and smoke in the country it was designed for. (wont be just blowin up gophers either I bet) .

[square butte]

Shrap - Can you give us a bit of the story of how you came upon this particular rifle. I know you are a bit of a Winchester collector, But would enjoy hearing a bit more about how you beat the brush to find them. God Bless

[shrapnel]

Shrap - Can you give us a bit of the story of how you came upon this particular rifle. I know you are a bit of a Winchester collector, But would enjoy hearing a bit more about how you beat the brush to find them. God Bless

I was at the Kalispell gun show in March with some of my Winchesters on display and a guy came by and asked if I would be interested in a 50 caliber Winchester. I told him I would and asked him to bring it by. The next day he had it and I looked it over and sent pictures to a friend that has a spectacular collection of 50 caliber Winchesters.

He gave me pointers and told me what he was willing to pay to buy the gun. I didn’t do any bargaining with the owner, just put it in the back of my mind as to what to do next. The owner assured me it wasn’t for sale anywhere and he would still have it in the future.

A week ago, I contacted him and went back to Kalispell to explore the options and price. He had 4 other guns available that were extremely High condition guns that he would sell, but this one blew my entire budget. Consequently, I brought it here to Greeley, where I am now talking to other collectors about this and other Winchesters and Whitney Kennedy rifles I have for sale.

[square butte]

Appreciate the story of it very much. Fond memories of the Kalispell Gun Show ( some very good stuff used to turn up there - some of which is still with me ) back in the early 80's & 90's - I used to live there, out to the east of town - up against the Swan Range. I worked for the USFS ( Flathead NF ) on the Glacier View RD just across t he river to the west of the park. Thanks again

[Eddie Southgate]

Never heard of a set trigger on a lever gun. Is that for real? and if so, how does it work?

On 86's , 94's and 92's you could order set triggers. Not sure about earlier models.

[Rust]

The twist is 1/54 and is marked as such under the barrel. The 50-110 was an express cartridge and was 1/60 for a lighter 300 grain bullet…



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Thanks for the info. My 50 was originaly a 45-70 circa 1890 converted by Chas Jones and rebored by a Canadian barrel maker.
Glad to know that the 1-52 twist it has will be good for 450 gn bullets.

[JKR]

On 86's , 94's and 92's you could order set triggers. Not sure about earlier models.

I have a second model 73 Winchester made in 1880. It has a set trigger.

JKR

[shrapnel]

I took the rifle to Greeley to have Tom Adams look at it. He co-wrote a small book on the 50-100-450 rifles and their variations. He was helpful and had a copy from the ledger that showed the features of the original rifle.

I had mis-interpreted the description of the rear sight and found out that it was ordered with an extremely rare Lyman Windage adjustable sight and I even found one at the show. The bolt has been altered at the factory to machine the rear end of the bolt to facilitate the use of the Lyman sight and not hit the sight with the bolt when the action is worked.

Several other collectors came to see the rifle and marvel at all the special order features of the gun. It has been shot now, with the new sight and it is ready for anything I can shoot with it. I didn’t realize how rare that sight is and how fortunate I was to find one at the show in Greeley…


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[Bazoo]

Wow that is something else. Thank you for sharing it with us all.

[ddixie884]

Got it loaded and to the gopher fields…



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That is cool as hell, thanks for sharing.
If one of those monsters charges, make sure and hold for bone.