Rem 783 dont shoot...

[iwottopq]

Hello to all.
I have a Remingtn 783 in .300 WM caliber. It is a great gun, shoot very well with my lead cartridges but...but...some days aga it started to not shoot. I changed the primer with LP thinking they are more soft but nothing...
I disassembled the bolt and cleaned all, included the inner of the bolt body. After I measured the length of the striking pin spring and is about 5 inches...the question is how much may be long (as new) this spring?
I have read somewhere that the problem moy be this. I precise thet this gus is more than 15 year old...
I post some pics of the sping, of the strike on the primer and of the tip of the striker pin.312680

Thanks in advance for any help.
Ciao
Nino

[iwottopq]

Other pics...
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[Teddy (punchie)]

Looks a little too soft on hitting the primer.

First ? can you get a new spring?

Travel of firing pin before? Do you have any old brass that you can compare to brass now? Maybe damaged or regarded brass.

Last.... I said Last..... I would or at least the farmer in me would field fit it and stretch the spring and see if this helps.

Any room to add a spacer ... washers etc I'm trying to think of way you get get more pressure from the spring.

[Recycled bullet]

Does the gun function with factory ammunition?

[lpel]

I had heard that this is not that uncommon of an issue in the 783. So I did the Google thing and it does sound like it can be an issue. I don’t have a solution to offer but maybe try Google to see if some has come up with a fix for you. Good luck.

FYI I have a 223 and to date have not had that problem. But that’s why I’m following this thread.

[txbirdman]

Had a similar problem with a Savage 110. Bought an extra powered firing pin spring from Wolfe and it solved my problem. Maybe they make one for your Remington.

[Eddie Southgate]

Try a couple of factory cartridges.

[Patrick L]

Silly question, but how is the tip of the firing pin? Any possibility it broke/wore down?

[Patrick L]

I should add, I can't tell from the picture. I'm only on my phone right now.

[Rich/WIS]

Have you contacted Remington customer service?

[Hannibal]

If you haven't already then the first thing I would do is check for any loose hardware. Scope base.screws, scope rings, action screws. Then I'd ask myself if I've made any changes in my loads. Primers, sizing practices, dies, powder or charge and bullets. Then I'd swap the scope out with another. Are you positive you don't have a carbon or fouling build up. You need to look with a borescope. Patches won't tell you what you need to know. And while you are doing that take a very good look at the crown and make sure something hasn't damaged it somehow.

If you find nothing after going through those steps and checks then I would start thinking about things like a weak firing pin spring because unless I misread your post you are experiencing accuracy issues, not failure to fire.

[iwottopq]

Looks a little too soft on hitting the primer.

First ? can you get a new spring? No I dont have but I can purchare one...if this is the problem...

Travel of firing pin before? Do you have any old brass that you can compare to brass now? Maybe damaged or regarded brass.The brass are shooted many times but the gun dont shoot also with once fired brass...

Last.... I said Last..... I would or at least the farmer in me would field fit it and stretch the spring and see if this helps. Yes, I thought about this solution but it would be a temporary thing...

Any room to add a spacer ... washers etc I'm trying to think of way you get get more pressure from the spring. As above...

[iwottopq]

Try a couple of factory cartridges.

I never used factory ammo on this caliber...:p:p:p

[iwottopq]

Silly question, but how is the tip of the firing pin? Any possibility it broke/wore down?

I think not...it looks intact...

[iwottopq]

I should add, I can't tell from the picture. I'm only on my phone right now.

Ok...

[iwottopq]

Have you contacted Remington customer service?

Yes by Email...but no reply...

[iwottopq]

If you haven't already then the first thing I would do is check for any loose hardware. Scope base.screws, scope rings, action screws. Then I'd ask myself if I've made any changes in my loads. Primers, sizing practices, dies, powder or charge and bullets. Then I'd swap the scope out with another. Are you positive you don't have a carbon or fouling build up. You need to look with a borescope. Patches won't tell you what you need to know. And while you are doing that take a very good look at the crown and make sure something hasn't damaged it somehow.

If you find nothing after going through those steps and checks then I would start thinking about things like a weak firing pin spring because unless I misread your post you are experiencing accuracy issues, not failure to fire.

My English is scholastic and therefore not very good but in my post I never complained about the lack of precision which, however, is excellent with my cast boolit and load of any hunting powder. The problem is that they don't fire the ammo...any ammo, with old or new brass.
The scope has no problem...

[Hannibal]

My English is scholastic and therefore not very good but in my post I never complained about the lack of precision which, however, is excellent with my cast boolit and load of any hunting powder. The problem is that they don't fire the ammo...any ammo, with old or new brass.
The scope has no problem...

I apologize, I did not understand correctly.

So yes, the spring is a very good place to look unless you have changed primers recently. In my situation I changed primers but if factory ammunition doesn't fire either then there is a problem with the spring or maybe the firing pin.

[high standard 40]

Another thing to check. Is the bolt going fully into battery? I had a friend have a problem with his rifle suddenly having light primer strikes and failing to fire. There was a small obstruction in the locking lug preventing the bolt from fully closing. It was closed enough to allow the firing pin to fall but was preventing it from falling far enough to achieve ignition. If your issue started all at once, I'd explore this possibility.

[M-Tecs]

Make sure your firing pin tip has not loosened. https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/g303837

Next would be finding a replacement firing pin spring. That will be the hard part. Generally springs are a contract item for companies like Remington. I don't know if Wolff made them or has the specs. If they ship to Italy? they may be able to help you out with winding a replacement, recommending a suitable sub. or who Remington purchase the 783 springs from? https://www.gunsprings.com/

The folks do custom springs https://www.acxesspring.com/gun-springs.html

The Remington 783 was introduced in 2013.

[iwottopq]

I apologize, I did not understand correctly.

So yes, the spring is a very good place to look unless you have changed primers recently. In my situation I changed primers but if factory ammunition doesn't fire either then there is a problem with the spring or maybe the firing pin.

Good morning. There's no problem.
I used a lot of primers (CCI-FIOCCHI-FEDERAL) all LR. Finally I tried with the LP FIOCCHI but also these ... same result.

[iwottopq]

Another thing to check. Is the bolt going fully into battery? I had a friend have a problem with his rifle suddenly having light primer strikes and failing to fire. There was a small obstruction in the locking lug preventing the bolt from fully closing. It was closed enough to allow the firing pin to fall but was preventing it from falling far enough to achieve ignition. If your issue started all at once, I'd explore this possibility.

This is a good idea, I need to inspect the recesses in the bolt lugs. It will be a bit difficult as I don't have a borescope but I will try...

[iwottopq]

Make sure your firing pin tip has not loosened. https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/g303837

Next would be finding a replacement firing pin spring. That will be the hard part. General springs are a contract item for companies like Remington. I don't know if Wolff made them or has the specs. If they ship to Italy? they may be able to help you out with winding a replacement, recommending a suitable sub. or who Remington purchase the 783 springs from? https://www.gunsprings.com/

The folks do custom springs https://www.acxesspring.com/gun-springs.html

The Remington 783 was introduced in 2013.

Tjanks...good suggestions...

[redhawk0]

This could also be a headspace problem. If the bolt isn't able to close all the way then some of the energy from the firing pin spring is being used to "close the bolt". You then get a light strike of the firing pin. Check to make sure you have properly resized your brass.

redhawk

[iwottopq]

This could also be a headspace problem. If the bolt isn't able to close all the way then some of the energy from the firing pin spring is being used to "close the bolt". You then get a light strike of the firing pin. Check to make sure you have properly resized your brass.

redhawk

Good morning. The bolt seems to close completely and well. At the moment in which the firing pin is struck, empty, it clicks up by about 1 millimeter. All the cases I have used have been resized full...
I suspect more and more of the striker spring...

[jdsingleshot]

Another thing to check. Is the bolt going fully into battery? I had a friend have a problem with his rifle suddenly having light primer strikes and failing to fire. There was a small obstruction in the locking lug preventing the bolt from fully closing. It was closed enough to allow the firing pin to fall but was preventing it from falling far enough to achieve ignition. If your issue started all at once, I'd explore this possibility.

+1 on this. The cocking cam can easily prevent full travel of the firing pin.

[cub45]

Are you setting the shoulder back to much and making a head space problem ?

[MarkP]

The cups on LP primers are shorter than LR primers so they will be counter sunk in the primer pocket of the cartridge case by an additional 0.010" [0.254 mm] So that will make lifht strikes worse. My IAI Auto Mag III (1911 style pistol) had a soft firing pin and the hammer mushroomed the end of the pin thus making it shorter and started light striking and failure to fire. Doesn't the 783 have the Savage style of collar? I don't own a Savage or 783 any possibility the nut loosened and changed headspace? (I have no experience with this system just an idea)

[waksupi]

Firing pin protrusion generally falls in the .048 -.062 on most rifles.

[BK7saum]

Have you been shooting full power loads or light cast loads. If not shooting full power loads , your headspace can increase with each firing ( shoulder getting shorter) and cause the issue you are seeing.

Also, if you have blanked/pierced a primer, the plug of primer could be jammed in the firing pin channel and restrict firing pin protrusion.

1) Check firing pin protrusion with bolt uncocked.

2) check headspace against a piece of fired brass fired with a FULL POWERED load. If you don't have the tool to do this, place a piece of pistol brass over neck/onto shoulder and measure thebentire length of the two pieces of brass together. If the current brass is significantly shorter (0.015+" then shoulder setback is your problem.

3) Check bolt throw travel to ensure the cocking ramp is not restricting striker travel ( Have you changed stocks recently. Make sure the bolt handle doesn't touch the bottomnof the bolt notch)

The gun should not all of a sudden stop shooting. I am betting shoulder setback on your brass feom shooting only light loads or excessive resizing/shoulder setback in the die(not as likely)

Refer to Larry Gibsons thread on drilling out primer pockets in mousefart loads to eliminate shoulder setback.

One last thing to try. PLEASE TRY THIS.

Put the rim of a loaded cartridge (or primed case) underneath the extractor and then insert into the chamber and attempt to fire it. If the issue is shoulder setback, doing this will headspace the case on the extractor (You cannot achieve this by placing the cartridge in the chamber and then closing the bolt) A cartridge headspaced off of the extractor should fire unless you habe excessive tolerances in this area.

Let us know what you find out.

OK. i just reread caliber and see that this is a 300wm/belted cartridge. It should not setback unless the chamber cut for the cartridge belt is out of spec.

Still doesnt mean that isn't the case. Though not nearly as likely.

[Bmi48219]

I had a similar consistent light strike problem on a firearm I seldom shot. The firing pin channel was gunked-up impeding the pin’s forward travel, compounded by an over-stiff firing pin return spring. A thorough channel cleaning and a lighter return spring cured the problem. Now that firearm functions flawlessly even with hard magnum primers.


…My IAI Auto Mag III (1911 style pistol) had a soft firing pin and the hammer mushroomed the end of the pin thus making it shorter and started light striking and failure to fire….

Not to split hairs but while the AMT Auto Mag III bears a passing resemblance to a 1911, they are built on different J. Browning operating systems. The absence of a grip safety, the slide mounted rotating hammer block safety and the slide mounted extractor of the AMT AM3 are the most apparent visible differences.
A bent hammer strut is a common cause of light strikes in an AMT AM3; don’t ask how I know.
The AMT Hardballer / Javelina are true 1911s.

[MarkP]

I had a similar consistent light strike problem on a firearm I seldom shot. The firing pin channel was gunked-up impeding the pin’s forward travel, compounded by an over-stiff firing pin return spring. A thorough channel cleaning and a lighter return spring cured the problem. Now that firearm functions flawlessly even with hard magnum primers.



Not to split hairs but while the AMT Auto Mag III bears a passing resemblance to a 1911, they are built on different J. Browning operating systems. The absence of a grip safety, the slide mounted rotating hammer block safety and the slide mounted extractor of the AMT AM3 are the most apparent visible differences.
A bent hammer strut is a common cause of light strikes in an AMT AM3; don’t ask how I know.
The AMT Hardballer / Javelina are true 1911s.

This is when mine was brand new (1989 or so) the firing pin was mushroomed after 150 rounds or so. My dealer shipped it back to IAI they returned it with a new slide assy. a few weeks later.

[Hannibal]

I've had a problem with FTF on 2 different rifles from 2 different manufacturers within the last month. Both problems corrected with a new firing pin spring after confirming nothing else was out of spec or dirty.

Never had this happen before over 3 decades. It does happen without rhyme or reason.

[Cap'n Morgan]

Recently I fixed a local farmers Winchester model 70 which had started to misfire.

First thing was to check the length of the firing pin, using an empty case. After a couple of strikes, we examined the primer - it had a deep dent, indicating that the length was alright. We then took the bolt apart, cleaned the inside and gave it a few drops of thin oil - but no cigar!

I then made a number of washers to place under the spring to increase the striking force. This was literally barn work, using a chainsaw file and an angle grinder to modify some 6mm washers to fit the firing pin and fit inside the bolt. Once the job was done I pulled the bullet from a factory round (to eliminate any outside interference) and tested the rifle. It gave a very satisfying 'BANG' and left a perfect primer dent.

Compared to military bolt rifles, Hunting rifles often have a rather small "safety margin" when it comes to the force of the firing pin - especially with thumb-cooked rifles, like the Blazers. This is done to improve the ease of working the bolt and keep the necessary trigger pull weight down. After fifty years (with a permanently compressed spring) it's no wonder a rifle will sometimes misfire.