military records

[porthos]

is it possible to find the military record from the viet nam war. i know someone that i belive is guilty of "stolen valor" ??

[JoeJames]

Probably not - The National Personnel Records Center fire of 1973, also known as the 1973 National Archives fire, was a fire that occurred at the Military Personnel Records Center in the St. Louis suburb of Overland , Missouri, from July 12–16, 1973. The fire destroyed some 16 million to 18 million official military personnel records.

[shdwlkr]

All depends on what part of the alphabet your last name is, as it was only parts of the records that were destroyed.

[BLAHUT]

Yes; some remain just depends on where the name is on the list may have been destroyed maybe not ???

[Doughty]

Getting your military records is one thing; getting someone else's records is another.

[missionary5155]

It is pretty easy to ask the person to see a copy or proof of the citation. The real recipients have the papers. VFW and American Legion members are very helpful keeping the ranks "clean".

[Rapier]

My data request got a: I was in the Army, 101st Airborne Div, no schools, no dates, nothing, just when I entered and exited. Must have been a minimum records, on a computer, type file. I probably had my records burned in the fire, if so, I understand they do have a minimal record of you on a computer, that is it. If I can not get my School records then there is a big part of my records missing.

[farmbif]

dd214 is available though dept of veterans affairs.
also don shipley is an expert at getting records maybe he could offer you some pointers, here is his web site
https://www.extremesealexperience.com

might look at dons latest YouTube video. might give you a little info where he gets military in

[mpkunz607]

Write your congressman and send them the evidence.

[missionary5155]

It is a sad character that wold result to wearing any "star' to impress someone.

[Tazman1602]

This may help:

http://www.stolenvalor.com/records.cfm

Art

[jaysouth]

Probably not - The National Personnel Records Center fire of 1973, also known as the 1973 National Archives fire, was a fire that occurred at the Military Personnel Records Center in the St. Louis suburb of Overland , Missouri, from July 12–16, 1973. The fire destroyed some 16 million to 18 million official military personnel records.

the VA tells us that no Army records were destroyed.

[Handloader109]

the VA tells us that no Army records were destroyed.Uh, all WWII records for the army WERE destroyed. I wanted some of my dad's records after he passed and a family member can request. I got a no records available except the bare min data. Recently found a copy of his dd214 in some files.

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[porthos]

the man that i was refering to died a couple years ago. he was a good guy; but, i think that he "embelished" a lot of his exploits and the medals that he had.

[JoeJames]

Uh, all WWII records for the army WERE destroyed. I wanted some of my dad's records after he passed and a family member can request. I got a no records available except the bare min data. Recently found a copy of his dd214 in some files.

Sent from my SM-S908U using TapatalkI did not find that much when I tried to get my Uncle's records from WW2 and the Korean War. It's ironic that I was able to get a great deal of information about 2 of my great grandfathers who were in the Confederate Army.

[akajun]

My dad served in VN as a Seabee. He was able to get his service records and his old medals sent to him that he lost in various moves and several he never knew he was awarded from the VA.
As far as stolen Valor, he can usually spot fake VN vets as he was a surveyor/civil engineer. He remembers maps, places, terrain, etc and a few times people have been telling stories and he will question them about some location or terrain feature then lean over to me and say he's full of it.

That said I do have all the letters he wrote to my grandmother and pictures he sent home. Back then people wrote and did things. IF someone claims to have been there they should be able to produce this stuff if no offical records can be found .

[Alstep]

A good friend of mine served in the Coast Guard and was in VN. Service records only showed the ships he served on. So he went to the National Archives. They had all the ship's records and rosters, and his name came up on all the ship's logs. He said the Archives staff was very helpful and accommodating.

[farmbif]

national personnel records center

[Finster101]

national personnel records center



The site wants to lead you to a pay wall before showing any info.

[popper]

She's trying to get more info on her G. Granddad who got MoH in civil war. All the relatives are gone now.

[snowwolfe]

the man that i was refering to died a couple years ago. he was a good guy; but, i think that he "embelished" a lot of his exploits and the medals that he had.

If the guy is dead what are you trying to prove?

[porthos]

only trying to prove to myself that he was full of ____. you ok with that? my guess is that you never served in the military; right?

[Battis]

So, he had medals, citations, etc? And you knew him? Why didn't you confront him when he was alive?

[snowwolfe]

only trying to prove to myself that he was full of ____. you ok with that? my guess is that you never served in the military; right?

I only did 21 years in the USAF. Your momma and daddy should of taught you it is bad manners to insult the dead.

[Lloyd Smale]

only trying to prove to myself that he was full of ____. you ok with that? my guess is that you never served in the military; right?

8 years in the service and sure wouldnt be worried about someone thats dead and told a few lies. bottom line is if he even served he did more then most even here. then is there anyone hear that can say they never lied or embellished something. A famous man i respect more then anyone once said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" i doubt you will get much support from the vets here and none from any real Christian

[porthos]

ok, i've had enough. tried to navigate the records center and gave it up.

[Rickf1985]

Trying to smear a dead Vet! Just as well you give up! And yes I served and no, I do not wear my uniform nor go around claiming anything. Most people do not even know I was in. I did what I had to do, I am not proud of it. I was treated like crap when I came home and forgotten by the world later. And now I see someone wanting to smear a guy who went through the same thing for telling a few lies? As was said above, you will get no support from VN Vets for sure and no respect either. Welcome to our homecoming parade!

[shdwlkr]

I know several VN vets and we talk among ourselves about things and no we don't like people who belittle our service. We did what was asked of us only to have our own country bad mouth us. To all veterans from all our wars, Welcome home and may life go back to normal for you.

[porthos]

i was not trying to smear anyone!!!. if he did what he said; good for him. if he didn't, what he said, is called "stolen valor" and is illegal. like i said i gave up. so, how about you guys let it go too!!

[Rickf1985]

Post #6, would these VFW members be the same ones that in 1972 were telling VN Vets that VN was NOT a real war and made us very unwelcome at the VFW? I have never set foot in a VFW since 1972. I have heard that from Vets from all over the country.

[barnabus]

the man that i was refering to died a couple years ago. he was a good guy; but, i think that he "embelished" a lot of his exploits and the medals that he had.

jealousy can be a ugly thing...

[porthos]

agreed; but i have nothing to be jealous about. that is a very stupid statement. i was just trying to find information to verify my suspecions. i belive he was guilty of "stolen valor" that is a crime. i care about that. but, it looks like you guys don't care.

[farmbif]

I think there is a big difference between smearing someone who is dead and finding the truth whatever it may be.

[Rickf1985]

What are you going to do? Dig him up and drag his corpse into court? Make his family go through through hell because you are trying to prove a point? If you wanted to do it you should have had the balls to confront him while he was alive.

I think you will find that stolen valor is when someone is out in public wearing a uniform and parading citations that were not earned. Not someone sitting in a bar bragging about it. Have you ever heard of PTSD? Do you have it? Do you know what it does to a mans head? Keep in mind that we were never treated for PTSD, ever. Let our brother rest in peace. Whatever he said or claimed died with him.

[porthos]

i don't like liars (IF he did so) you guys really don't care do you? can't we end this now and agree to disagree.

[barnabus]

I think there is a big difference between smearing someone who is dead and finding the truth whatever it may be.

its obvious you have zero proof but you come on here with many vets who are ashamed of what you are doing.When you get challanged for being a crybaby you then want to shut it down.Its really disgusting what you are doing to be honest.I know for a fact that you have lied in your life so that makes you a LIAR as well.Leave the man alone and grow up.You wont find any help here.im a vet and this makes me sick and makes me wonder if YOU ever served anywhere.

[Larry Gibson]

is it possible to find the military record from the viet nam war. i know someone that i belive is guilty of "stolen valor" ??

This is the OPs first post. I see nothing wrong with the inquiry, no "cry baby" or any insulting of the dead. Like the OP says, if the guy was legit then good on him. If the guy wasn't the finding then truth serves all real veterans. As far as I'm concerned, all imposters should be called out alive or dead. Conversely all real servicemen should be honored. I served 42 years in the Army and dealt with numerous phony wannabe's on active duty and in the USAR and NG. They need to be exposed for what they are. There are numerous veteran groups that specifically expose the phonies. I have been 'checked out" by several former forum members here trying to discredit me. Didn't bother me because I've done everything I've claimed to have done and that's what they found out.

You all should remember that officially there were 2.7 +/- service men and woman who served in the Viet Nam War. According to the 2020 census there are 13 million + left.....go figure..... We also see a lot of phonies from the Korean War, Granada, the Gulf War and now the Global War on Terror. Even among those who have served the ones claiming to be "special ops", SEALs and Force Recon Marines are far exceeding the actual number of those who were.

[john.k]

This kind of thing doesnt worry me ...what I dont like is the women who screamed and spat and threw stuff are now at the top in politics,or have been in the past 20 years.

[GregLaROCHE]

Getting your military records is one thing; getting someone else's records is another.

I lost my original, but after asking some details, the government sent me another one. I doubt it would be possible to get someone else’s, unless you knew a lot about them and their service and impersonated them.

[barnabus]

I think not confronting the man to his face shows while he was alive shows who the coward more than likely might be....

[porthos]

thanks larry. and to you , barnabus; to call me a coward is quite extreme, since you know nothing about me or the person that i was inquireing about. look in the _______mirror

[375RUGER]

the VA tells us that no Army records were destroyed.

Not true. My Dad was Army and in VN. He was confronted a few years later for wearing VN service ribbons/metals. Mom, bless her, had saved his copies of all his paperwork proving he had earned them. The official records were destroyed in that fire.

[gc45]

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[Rickf1985]

This is the OPs first post.


You are telling me he has made about 650 posts in 10 days since that first post a week and a half ago?

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Gentlemen: I, myself am a veteran. I agree with Larry that dead or alive, truth should prevail. Isn't that what history is all about, and the constant researching to discover the truth about our past? Many books have been written about this or that figure in history and what they really did or did not do, good or bad. No one here is a coward, and such insinuations are in bad form. For that reason this thread is now closed, it all having been said and nothing really to be added.

DG