Bullet Comparison APP, Samples WANTED.

[Bazoo]

I am compiling an inventory of cast bullets for a web app I'm working on. It will offer measurements, weight, and picture comparison of bullets to help with load development and also just as a fun reference. Also I will include variation samples and info when I have them. My site will be free for all, and will be useful for load development or comparison of cast bullets.

I am asking for bullet samples of any and all calibers to help me compile this data. I need the bullets to be presented to me with as much information as possible. This includes, but is not limited to, bullet number and name, any markings on the mould, Approximate or exact date year of mould if known, alloy. I need these samples to be in the raw. That means not lubed or sized or powder coated. I am glad to accept a sample size of 1 or up to as many as you wish to send. I want variations, so if you have a couple 429421 moulds that cast differently, please include both, with as many of these details as possible. Each needs to be separated in a baggy or envelope to keep from being damaged in transit and storage. I want both home cast and commercial cast samples. For commercial cast bullets, obviously I can't get them raw so I'll accept what I can get, but I need the info associated with them such as model and make.

Also, if no detailed info is there, but you just have the mould number or make or any info, that is also accepted, and will be used as well. Just write a note with the info you DO have.


In my own journey, I have resorted to actually obtaining a physical sample of many similar bullets and using those bullets to obtain measurements for "used case volume" in order to use known data for load work up when using a bullet for which no specific data exists.


My example of how my compilation will be useful; I had a Lee 358-140-SWC and I wanted to use that for both 38 special and 357 magnum. For 38 special, it was quite simple, I just substituted the bullet for a similar looking bullet of similar weight in the Lyman manual. Because the working pressure limit was a fair amount above the target loads I was developing there was a large margin of error for safety. But for 357 magnum using W296 powder, the margin of error was decreased significantly. I was quite uncomfortable just making a simple bullet substitution. I was able to obtain several samples of similar bullets however for a direct comparison. The RCBS 38-150-SWC has nearly an identical measurement from the base to the crimp groove, and being just a touch heavier, I was comfortable using the data for load development.


If you'd like to help, please message me and I will provide my shipping address for samples.

Thank you for your help in this endeavor. I will link to the website and data when it becomes available.

[Mint]

wow dude AWESOME idea, Ive been really needing this actually

[Bazoo]

Bullets I have examples of so far are

RCBS 44-250-K (x2)
RCBS 44-245-SWC
RCBS 44-240-SWC
RCBS 38-150-SWC
RCBS 45-201-SWC
RCBS 45-200-SWC
RCBS 44-200-FN
RCBS 32-170-FN
RCBS 44-250-SWC

Lyman 319295
Lyman 311284
Lyman 429421 Round groove
Lyman 31141
Lyman 358429
Lyman 321297
Lyman 358156

Lee TLC324-170-RF Ranchdog
Lee C432-265-RF Ranchdog
Lee 429-240-2R
Lee 429-200-RF
Lee TL430-240-SWC
Lee C358-158-SWC
Lee 311-93-1R
Lee 356-102-1R
Lee TL452-230-2R
Lee Tl452-230-TC

MP 432-256 (H&G 503)

Of course I would like to have a couple variations of each, but 1 of each is much better than none.

[Bazoo]

One of the main things I want is samples of all of Lymans, RCBS and LEEs offerings so that I can make a cross reference chart for bullets that will help people that use LEE bullets work up data.

[jdgabbard]

One of the main things I want is samples of all of Lymans, RCBS and LEEs offerings so that I can make a cross reference chart for bullets that will help people that use LEE bullets work up data.

Are you also interested in custom designs that are not necessarily available to the public? I was just discussing in another thread a 7.62x25 mold I had custom made, and how I had thought about sending some examples to Mihec to see if he was interested in eventually doing a run on it. I haven't made up my mind to do that. But it is a good example of a 90gr .311 RF that I had made for me custom by Mountain Molds back in 2010.

If you are, PM me, and I can send you some along with the mold markings, and reasons for my design.

311312

[justindad]

Multiple samples from each mold is a good idea, and would be an interesting data point to see in your end result. I have two .45 ACP 230 grain molds from a reputable outfit, one mold produces 240 grain boolits and the other 230 grain boolits.
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Total length of the bullet and COAL (or just base of bullet to crimp location/groove) would be helpful data. Reporting variances across multiple samples would be helpful here as well.
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Gordon’s Reloading Tool has bullet lengths for a large number of lead & j-word rounds, which I have used to conjure loss just like you described. It’s a free software, but I haven’t found it to be very reliable and I have some distrust even for the reported bullet lengths. At any rate, I can share data from GRT and send you some bullets & boolits.
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I wonder if Quick Load reports bullet lengths?

[Bazoo]

Are you also interested in custom designs that are not necessarily available to the public? I was just discussing in another thread a 7.62x25 mold I had custom made, and how I had thought about sending some examples to Mihec to see if he was interested in eventually doing a run on it. I haven't made up my mind to do that. But it is a good example of a 90gr .311 RF that I had made for me custom by Mountain Molds back in 2010.

If you are, PM me, and I can send you some along with the mold markings, and reasons for my design.

311312

Interesting design, I sent you a PM.

[Bazoo]

I'm getting some good help so far, I still need most of the LEE bullets if someone could help with that.

[Bazoo]

I have about 200 samples in the works as of now. I still need most of lymans, lees, and RCBS, and Saeco too. So if anyone could help me with a large chunk of the samples please let me know.

[jdgabbard]

Bazoo,

I can also provide a few Lyman, Lee, H&G and NOE / MP. Here is what I have, you tell me if you need any of them.

Lyman 358477
Lyman 358429
Lyman 358156
Lyman 358495
Lyman 358242 (both 92gr and 120gr variants)
Lyman 311359
Lyman 358311 (2 versions - Different Lube Grooves)
Lee TL358-158-SWC
Lee TL356-124-2R
Lee 452-228-1R
Lee C312-185-1R
Lee #4 Buckshot Mold
NOE 452-230-HP
NOE 225-62-RN (Early .223 Specific Mold)
MP357-125-HP with both HP pins and Solid
H&G #50

I might have some more, I'd have to take a look. But that is what I know I have on had at this time.

[Bazoo]

Bazoo,

I can also provide a few Lyman, Lee, H&G and NOE / MP. Here is what I have, you tell me if you need any of them.

Lyman 358477
Lyman 358429
Lyman 358156
Lyman 358495
Lyman 358242 (both 92gr and 120gr variants)
Lyman 311359
Lyman 358311 (2 versions - Different Lube Grooves)
Lee TL358-158-SWC
Lee TL356-124-2R
Lee 452-228-1R
Lee C312-185-1R
Lee #4 Buckshot Mold
NOE 452-230-HP
NOE 225-62-RN (Early .223 Specific Mold)
MP357-125-HP with both HP pins and Solid
H&G #50

I might have some more, I'd have to take a look. But that is what I know I have on had at this time.

Really I'd like to have a sample of all of those. I do have a sample of the 358429 but its of unknown origin. Also that is one of the numbers I do want to catalog the variations. I have a 358156 but it came from a mould that had been lapped and dropped like .362, and the grooves are a mite shallow. The buckshot mould, I would like to have them still connected if its not inconvenient. I will add a picture of that, then separate and weigh an individual pellet to catalog the weight. Man its sweet you have the 358242 in both weights. That was one I figured I'd have a hard time chasing down.

[jdgabbard]

Really I'd like to have a sample of all of those. I do have a sample of the 358429 but its of unknown origin. Also that is one of the numbers I do want to catalog the variations. I have a 358156 but it came from a mould that had been lapped and dropped like .362, and the grooves are a mite shallow. The buckshot mould, I would like to have them still connected if its not inconvenient. I will add a picture of that, then separate and weigh an individual pellet to catalog the weight. Man its sweet you have the 358242 in both weights. That was one I figured I'd have a hard time chasing down.

I'll get them sent out with the other we discussed. However, it may take a little time to get all examples cast up.... As for the 358242, there is also a 3rd variation. Good luck finding a copy though. It's the 358212. It's basically the same design, but a 147gr round nose with two lube grooves. I've only seen a handful of examples. I'm looking at trying to eventually add one of those to my collection of molds.

[Bazoo]

I'll get them sent out with the other we discussed. However, it may take a little time to get all examples cast up.... As for the 358242, there is also a 3rd variation. Good luck finding a copy though. It's the 358212. It's basically the same design, but a 147gr round nose with two lube grooves. I've only seen a handful of examples. I'm looking at trying to eventually add one of those to my collection of molds.

I appreciate the help. I'm in no hurry. I actually had a copy of the 358212 and sold it. It didn't cross my mind to save one of them. I didn't know it was rare at the time.

[Bazoo]

Looks like I offered it on the PIF. I couldn't remember anything other than having had one.

Found this with a google search.
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?406336-PIF-Lyman-358212&p=4956710

[jdgabbard]

Looks like I offered it on the PIF. I couldn't remember anything other than having had one.

Found this with a google search.
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?406336-PIF-Lyman-358212&p=4956710

There are several molds I've had my eyes on over the years. But, their limited numbers just go to show that some designs are just not super common for a variety of factors. Either lack of people owning compatible firearms, design problems, or just weirdness.... I generally think the 358212 falls into that category. It was just oddball enough to fall between common bullet weights with a length that wasn't suitable in certain firearms....

[justindad]

Share a drawing of the dimensions you are collecting on each bullet. We can give you our measurements with the samples, and then you can remeasure to confirm.

[Texas by God]

Bazoo,
I can supply samples of Lee bullets;
C225-55 Bator
C277-135F
C309-113F
TL314-90swc
C309-200
CLH324-175
8mmMax
C358-200RF
358-105SWC
358-150SWC
379-250F
TL401-175TC
452-200SWC
It’s supposed to rain tomorrow so that will help me cast some naked bullets.


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[Bazoo]

Bazoo,
I can supply samples of Lee bullets;
C225-55 Bator
C277-135F
C309-113F
TL314-90swc
C309-200
CLH324-175
8mmMax
C358-200RF
358-105SWC
358-150SWC
379-250F
TL401-175TC
452-200SWC
It’s supposed to rain tomorrow so that will help me cast some naked bullets.


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That will be awesome! Thank you sir. I will send you a Message.

[Bazoo]

I've got a lot of help so far. I still need most of the Lee bullets if anyone has a large block of them. I appreciate all the help I've received thus far, thank you.

[milsurpcollector1970]

I have the Lyman 314299 bullet which is an excellent boolit do you want any?

[charlie b]

If you are going to include precise dimensions then you should include the alloy used as they can give slightly different weights/diameters.

Next time I fire up the pot I can cast some for you.

[Bazoo]

I have the Lyman 314299 bullet which is an excellent boolit do you want any?

I would like a couple samples of that bullet. I'll message you.

[Bazoo]

If you are going to include precise dimensions then you should include the alloy used as they can give slightly different weights/diameters.

Next time I fire up the pot I can cast some for you.

Yes sir, I know it. I am including the alloy if known, as well as weight and diameter.

[Minnesotam7]

I have 6 Lee molds if your interested.
1. 356-120-tc
2. 356-147-tc
3. tl-356-95-rf
4. 452-200-swc
5. 401-175-tc
6. 452-230-2r

[jdgabbard]

Bazoo, out of curiosity how is it coming? I don't know if anyone has simply contacted you by PM to send samples. I know what we have listed here is by no means comprehensive.

Just a suggestion, maybe you should start a Google Doc Spreadsheet with what molds you have and what molds you need. That we people can look it up and check off what they have. Simply share the link here and when people click on it takes them to a read only version of the document.

[Bazoo]

Bazoo, out of curiosity how is it coming? I don't know if anyone has simply contacted you by PM to send samples. I know what we have listed here is by no means comprehensive.

Just a suggestion, maybe you should start a Google Doc Spreadsheet with what molds you have and what molds you need. That we people can look it up and check off what they have. Simply share the link here and when people click on it takes them to a read only version of the document.

Well, It's going quite well honestly. Right now we are almost done with the site, and should be done pretty soon. I have quite a few that are in the works by companies that want to be included so when those come in, it'll already be into the thousands.

[jdgabbard]

Well, It's going quite well honestly. Right now we are almost done with the site, and should be done pretty soon. I have quite a few that are in the works by companies that want to be included so when those come in, it'll already be into the thousands.

Thats very good news. Keep us informed, and share a link when you're ready to!

[MakeMineA10mm]

Wow, you are biting off a major undertaking!! I give you major props for ambition!

I have a few custom moulds I designed, if you want samples. I’ll have to dig around in the storage cabinet, but I should have several already cast. PM me an address if you want them.

[Bazoo]

Wow, you are biting off a major undertaking!! I give you major props for ambition!

I have a few custom moulds I designed, if you want samples. I’ll have to dig around in the storage cabinet, but I should have several already cast. PM me an address if you want them.

Yes, it's a huge undertaking. Larger than I had anticipated, but it's well worth the effort that its taking. I'll send you a message, I'd love to have samples of those. I tried sending you a message, and it says your inbox is full sir.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Yes, I noticed that right after I posted. I’m working on cleaning it out. Try again tomorrow; there should be room then.

[JimB..]

Bazoo, anxious to see the product!

[Bazoo]

Bazoo, anxious to see the product!
I tell you, it's great! We run the code in the local server to see and test the site. We are still working on some of the pages, and the wording. My friend that's doing the coding is really amazing at what he does. Most of the hard stuff is done so far. Getting the search to work right took a week of really grueling work. Actually getting close.

[Bazoo]

Heres the current list I have. Im still looking for a lot more, all the rest of rcbs, saeco lee, lyman are the ones I really need. Thanks to all for the help so far. Things are going well.

Bullet Samples

All of RimRock Bullets
All of Oregon Trails Bullets

RCBS 44-250-K (x2)
RCBS 44-245-SWC
RCBS 44-240-SWC
RCBS 38-150-SWC
RCBS 45-201-SWC
RCBS 45-200-SWC
RCBS 44-200-FN
RCBS 32-170-FN
RCBS 44-250-SWC

Lyman 319295
Lyman 311284
Lyman 429421 Round groove
Lyman 31141
Lyman 358429
Lyman 321297
Lyman 358477
Lyman 358429
Lyman 358156
Lyman 358495
Lyman 358242 (both 92gr and 120gr variants)
Lyman 311359
Lyman 358311 (2 versions - Different Lube Grooves)
lyman 429421
lyman 358665
lyman 410459
lyman 356446

Ideal 311359
Ideal 358429

Lee TLC324-170-RF Ranchdog
Lee TLC359-190RF Ranchdog
Lee C432-265-RF Ranchdog
Lee 429-240-2R
Lee 429-200-RF
Lee TL430-240-SWC
Lee C358-158-SWC
Lee 311-93-1R
Lee 356-102-1R
Lee TL452-230-2R
Lee Tl452-230-TC
Lee TL358-158-SWC
Lee TL356-124-2R
Lee 452-228-1R
Lee C312-185-1R
Lee #4 Buckshot Mold
Lee C225-55 Bator
C277-135-F
C309-113-F
TL314-90-swc
C309-200-R
CLH324-175
8mmMax
C358-200-RF
358-105-SWC
358-150-SWC
379-250-F
TL401-175TC
452-200-SWC
356-120-tc
356-147-tc
tl-356-95-rf
452-200-swc
452-200-rf
401-175-tc

saeco
66
69

Mountain Moulds 311-90

nei 41 mag 285 ?

mp h&g 68 clone
MP 432-256 (H&G 503)
MP 357-125-HP with both HP pins and Solid

NOE 452-230-RF /HP
NOE 225-62-RN (Early .223 Specific Mold)
NOE 225-60-RN

H&G
#50
130bb
130

[jdgabbard]

Come on, folks. Lets add to this list. Send the man some more samples!

[Bazoo]

Update, we are much closer than before. I do still need samples for anything not listed.

Here is the updated list

All Of RimRock
All Of Oregon Trails

Lyman
358495
321297
31141
358429
358156
358477
319295
311284
429421 Round groove
356446
358242 (90)
358242 (120)
410459
358665
429421
358311 (X2)
311359
452374

Ideal
311359
358429
RCBS
44-245-SWC
44-250-K (x2)
44-240-SWC
38-150-SWC
45-200-SWC
45-201-SWC (x2)
44-200-FN (X2)
32-170-FN
44-250-SWC

Lee
452-200-RF
401-175-TC
452-200-SWC
TL-356-95-RF
356-147-TC
356-120-TC
452-200-SWC
TL401-175-TC
379-250-F
358-150-SWC
358-105-SWC
C-358-200-RF
8mm Max (unknown)
C-324-175-1R
C-309-200-R
TL-314-90-SWC
C-309-113-F
C-277-135-F
356-102-1R
C-225-55 Bator
C-312-185-1R
#4 Buckshot
452-228-1R
TL-358-158-SWC
TL-356-124-2R
TL-452-230-TC
TL-452-230-2R
311-93-1R
C-358-158-SWC
TL-430-240-SWC
429-200-RF
429-240-2R
TLC-432-265-RF Ranchdog
TLC-359-190RF Ranchdog
TLC-324-170-RF Ranchdog
452-150-1R

Saeco
66
69

Mountain Moulds
311-90

H&G
50
130 (X2)
130 bb
503
68
258

MP
432-256 (H&G 503 clone)
H&G 68 clone
357-125-HP (HP and solid)

NOE
225-60-RN
225-60-22 RN (early 223 specific mould)
452-230 rf/hp
454-265-WFN

NEI
41 mag 285 (unknown bullet)

Accurate
45-405A
31-180F
34-240B
45-230M
45-225B
31-170A
45-270K
31-215B
40-200C
417-400A
45-200M

[Messy bear]

What a neat idea! I hope you are successful in putting this together. Should be a great data base for all!
I have some stuff to send but this is my busy time of year. Haven’t looked at site in some time. Thanks!

[super6]

I noticed you have the H&G 68 listed, I have the BB version in H&G, I also have an Ideal 360271S I could send if it is of your liking, Send PM If you can use 5 each of these samples.

[Bazoo]

What a neat idea! I hope you are successful in putting this together. Should be a great data base for all!
I have some stuff to send but this is my busy time of year. Haven’t looked at site in some time. Thanks!

I'm sure I'll be needing various samples for quite a while. Thank you for thinking of me.

[Bazoo]

Here is a teaser for yall. I am still looking for bullet samples, but now, im going to include raw, lubed, and PCed samples where I can get them.
This is the RCBS 44-250-K from my personal collection.

https://i.postimg.cc/MpFVSQrc/rcbs-44-250-k-099.jpg (https://postimg.cc/18Df0fSP)

https://i.postimg.cc/pVkKV4m5/rcbs-44-250-k-100.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5jYXnPqf)

[Bazoo]

Here is the Lee Ranch Dog CTL-432-265-RF from my personal collection.
https://i.postimg.cc/DwM11Msp/lee-ranch-dog-ctl-432-265-rf-089.jpg (https://postimg.cc/DS1WT5x1)
https://i.postimg.cc/T11Dyj1v/lee-ranch-dog-ctl-432-265-rf-088.jpg (https://postimg.cc/T58wFDnt)

[Mint]

Now THAT'S a ****ing bullet photo. :2 drunk buddies: :2 drunk buddies:

[15meter]

How are you going to handle differences in mold vintages?

I have two Lyman 452460 molds that drop dramatically different weight boolits.

[Bazoo]

I am going to treat them as "variations" of the same mould. Each will get its own picture, and details. When you search the site for the 452460 you will see only one result until you click on it, then you see the primary bullet with that number, and all the variations. It's a slick system and will allow you to see general bullet details, as well as being able to catalog variations.

I don't have a 452460 yet either.

[Randy Bohannon]

Are you interested in some custom bullets from custom mould makers such as Paul Jones ,Steve Brooks and popular designs from such makers ? I have plenty of the B/P popular moulds for such use. 40 and 45 cal.

[15meter]

I don't have a 452460 yet either.

Is that a hint?

[Bazoo]

Is that a hint? You bet it is!

[Bazoo]

Are you interested in some custom bullets from custom mould makers such as Paul Jones ,Steve Brooks and popular designs from such makers ? I have plenty of the B/P popular moulds for such use. 40 and 45 cal.Yessir I am. The more variety the better. Hmmmm, I may have to make a black powder specific section for them. I'll have to think on that.

[15meter]

You bet it is!

But I'm lazy, with a touch of OCD, if I did it for two molds, I'd have to do it for all of them. And I've got about 50 molds.

[justindad]

But I'm lazy, with a touch of OCD, if I did it for two molds, I'd have to do it for all of them. And I've got about 50 molds.

Must be a Michigan thing (I grew up in the mitten). I have a few bullets ready to ship, but I can’t bring myself to mail them out until I have samples from all my molds. What’s worse, is I bought a few more molds. Lord, help me.

[Bazoo]

Must be a Michigan thing (I grew up in the mitten). I have a few bullets ready to ship, but I can’t bring myself to mail them out until I have samples from all my molds. What’s worse, is I bought a few more molds. Lord, help me.

Ha, Awesome, thanks for the update on how it's going.