The Extensional Handloader meets the Karmic Master: Reality

[Dutchman]

A month ago I put out a query on a private email list of gun collectors that I was in need of empty brass, namely .38 Special, .45 acp and 9x19. I got one reply with this:
4,700 .38 Special
3,000 .45 acp
350 .357 Magnum
Delivered price was 5 cents each to include priority mail (3 boxes). Its not that I need that much brass but I asked and the good fellow replied and its a done deal.

In the last year I bought a 4 lb keg of 700X back when powder was nearly non existent. It was the only powder on the shelf and I've used it before in handguns but its also quite useful for cast bullet loads in bottleneck rifles. So it sits unopened in reserve.

Then Powder Valley had 5744 8 lb keg and I jumped on that because it will load all my rifle cast bullet loads and has been useful for the Swedish rolling block 12,7x44R so now that keg sits unopened.

Then miracle of miracles an 8 lb keg of UNIQUE shows itself from Powder Valley and being this was the first time in TWO years I've seen it available. I jumped really fast on that one and for $31/pound delivered it now sits unopened, waiting.

I have been prudent in bullet casting for the many molds I now use. I didn't really want to get back into casting for handguns but there was that 3 cavity NOE mold for 9mm on the S&S forum and I jumped on it. It drops .358" so theoretically I can use it for .38 Special as well as 9x19mm.

I'm fat dumb and happy rolling in brass and powder and casting ingots from das Kapitan of this forum.

This is where the Karmic b-t-h visits you. When your copious joy shines to the heavens drunk on the manna that feeds your beloved handloading press (Lee turret).

Powder Valley has Argentine SP primers for $80/M with a 2M limit. Two thousand is about half of what I could use in the next year. It boils down to $200 for two thousand SP primers delivered. Ten cents for one single primer. Most of us here are from the days of penny primers. One cent for one primer. Take a deep breath and do the right thing...... he says to himself.

The powder kegs are bought and paid for. Money no longer exits. Same with the empty brass. The $400 for that 8,000 pieces of brass has washed so far down the stream of life that I'll never see it again. But I probably will never again have to buy brass for .38 Special, .45 acp, or 9mm.

And then it hit me...

You think handloading ammo you'll never shoot is any different than this? That, my friends, is extensionalism.

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[Kosh75287]

So you title SHOULD read "The EXISTENTIALIST Handloader Meets The Karmic Master: Reality"?
I don't mean to detract from your post, I'm just trying to make sure that I understand the point you intend to convey.

[Txcowboy52]

Too deep for me !!!

[Ithaca Gunner]

I don't know why we do it, maybe we're simply hoarders. I keep telling myself that my grandson, will get some time off work to enjoy some of the guns I've given him and learn to love reloading and casting. I have a like hoard, however it's rifle casings, powder, primers, molds. etc. etc. etc. The handgun and shotgun hoard ain't bad either. In fact, the .38spl. stash is senseless. I only have one gun chambered for it, a 1930's vintage S&W M&P I don't even shoot!

Maybe ''hoarder'' is the wrong term, we've been through at least three shortages now and have learned the value of stacking it deep. We've learned the value of being independant from the supply chain for extended periods.

[deltaenterprizes]

I guess you have already bought the primers but Southern Defense has them for $65/K no hazmat and $35 shipping!

[Scrounge]

I don't know why we do it, maybe we're simply hoarders. I keep telling myself that my grandson, will get some time off work to enjoy some of the guns I've given him and learn to love reloading and casting. I have a like hoard, however it's rifle casings, powder, primers, molds. etc. etc. etc. The handgun and shotgun hoard ain't bad either. In fact, the .38spl. stash is senseless. I only have one gun chambered for it, a 1930's vintage S&W M&P I don't even shoot!

Maybe ''hoarder'' is the wrong term, we've been through at least three shortages now and have learned the value of stacking it deep. We've learned the value of being independant from the supply chain for extended periods.

Once is happenstance. Twice is circumstance. Third time is enemy action. Besides, it's not hording if you really need it. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

Bill

[FISH4BUGS]

I learned to buy in bulk out of necessity.
Primers? never less than 5000 at a whack.
Powder? Usually split a case of 8lb with a fellow shooter.
Lead? 2500 lbs of wheel weights from a friend that closed his tire shop.
Linotype? 4 25 lb pigs. Still working on them - just finished my first pig after many years and started on the 2nd. I have more than I will ever use.
Brass? Bought them cheap back in the day (10,000 9mm and 223) and I pick up everything. I think i am adding to my brass stash every range trip.
Just now loading my 38 stash for the next year or so - 1500-2000 H&G 51's.
I haven't done many smart things in my life, but stocking up turned out to be one of them.
No shortage here.

[OS OK]

I learned to buy in bulk out of necessity.
Primers? never less than 5000 at a whack.
Powder? Usually split a case of 8lb with a fellow shooter.
Lead? 2500 lbs of wheel weights from a friend that closed his tire shop.
Linotype? 4 25 lb pigs. Still working on them - just finished my first pig after many years and started on the 2nd. I have more than I will ever use.
Brass? Bought them cheap back in the day (10,000 9mm and 223) and I pick up everything. I think i am adding to my brass stash every range trip.
Just now loading my 38 stash for the next year or so - 1500-2000 H&G 51's.
I haven't done many smart things in my life, but stocking up turned out to be one of them.
No shortage here.

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[slim1836]

I am of the same mindset, albeit on a smaller scale.

Slim

[Bmi48219]

Yet no matter how much you have stashed, you happen upon something that will improve your chances of making it through this period of shortages. The dozens of posts in threads related to this topic are either by those who stocked up in times of plenty and those who plan to when it again becomes possible.
I’m to the point where I can continue to enjoy my hobby for the foreseeable future and everything I need to do so fits in an area of roughly 10 x 6 x 2 feet (120 cubic feet). Would I jump on a good deal? Sure. But it won’t break my heart if I don’t.
I can’t take any of it with me.

[Texas by God]

Having components HERE beats looking for them THERE any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Currently (and from now on) they will cost more than they did, but what doesn’t when fools are in charge?
My justification goes like this- a brick of primers locally is $100+tax.
So is taking my family out for a hamburger.
The primers are a much better deal.


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[WRideout]

A while ago I bought dies for 45 ACP because a friend told me he had a 45 pistol, and I was going to surprise him with some handloads. When we went to the range, he expressed complete surprise that his pistol was actually a 40 S&W. So naturally I had to buy a 45 ACP pistol. Although it is the pistol I shoot the least, it is also the one I have the most ammo for on the shelf.

Wayne

[Bmi48219]

A while ago I bought dies for 45 ACP because a friend told me he had a 45 pistol, and I was going to surprise him with some handloads….Wayne

A truly good friend is one who purchased dies and components solely to help out those less inclined. I have done so also and know the joy of giving surpasses any appreciation expressed in return.

[alamogunr]

Until I read this thread(especially the OP), I never understood why I had all this stuff. It started back when Obummer was first elected. I learned my lesson when Clinton was in office. I've got more than I will ever use, both primers and powder. My biggest problem is that brass takes up more room that either.
Hopefully, my sons/grandsons will be interested enough to use all this someday. If not, they can sell it for a profit since they will have no $$ invested.

[BLAHUT]

I bought all reloading supply's, ammo, lead, brass, in bulk in the past, out of necessity, I was feeding the habit of myself and three sons, now its only me, and I wish I would have bought more !

[truckerdave397]

I have my share and that is all I am saying about it.

[Scrounge]

Having components HERE beats looking for them THERE any day of the week and twice on Sunday.


The primers are a much better deal.


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You ain't kiddin!

[Dutchman]

Powder Valley sent me a $10 coupon plus free shipping.. Came to $183.10 for 2,000 small pistol primers.

Dutch

[smoked turkey]

Good posts here. From the sounds of things a lot of us are of the same mind. Whew, glad to know its not just me.

[FISH4BUGS]

Good posts here. From the sounds of things a lot of us are of the same mind. Whew, glad to know its not just me.

The problem here is that while the shortage is here, components are expensive, especially primers.....assuming you can find them at all. Powder and brass and bullets are not totally in the same availability, particularly to we casters.
When primers start showing up again, and at a reasonable price (if that ever happens), we will buy all we can get our hands on, thus causing ANOTHER shortage.
I have to say, I am down to my last 3000 small pistol. Plenty of small and large rifle and large pistol. That makes me nervous, but the other side is that I have plenty of loaded ammo in the closet.
I guess I have reached the point that I want the components AND the ammo.
Sort of like stocking up on toilet paper. :)

[Shawlerbrook]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush!

[JoeJames]

A truly good friend is one who purchased dies and components solely to help out those less inclined. I have done so also and know the joy of giving surpasses any appreciation expressed in return.A buddy several years ago asked me if I reloaded 38S&W since he had a Victory Model Smith in 38S&W. Got a set of dies on here, and located 200 grain round nose MK1 boolits. But, the buddy then told me he had traded his off. So ... nothing but to get one myself... a 38S&W Victory Model in 380-200 / 38 S&W. Loaded several to fairly exact point of aim at 15 yards with mine, but then found it was not up to my standards for accuracy. Lately I grudgingly accepted a set of 32-20 dies from my cousin even though I do not have a 32-20 ... yet. But of course I am looking for one now. And so it goes.

[WRideout]

A buddy several years ago asked me if I reloaded 38S&W since he had a Victory Model Smith in 38S&W. Got a set of dies on here, and located 200 grain round nose MK1 boolits. But, the buddy then told me he had traded his off. So ... nothing but to get one myself... a 38S&W Victory Model in 380-200 / 38 S&W. Loaded several to fairly exact point of aim at 15 yards with mine, but then found it was not up to my standards for accuracy. Lately I grudgingly accepted a set of 32-20 dies from my cousin even though I do not have a 32-20 ... yet. But of course I am looking for one now. And so it goes.

I had been looking for a 32 S&W Long revolver, when I found a 32-20 revolver at the LGS. Nothing to do but buy it; I have had fun tinkering with it ever since. Maybe I need to buy dies for 32 long, then the pistol will show up.

Wayne

[Thumbcocker]

A truly good friend is one who purchased dies and components solely to help out those less inclined. I have done so also and know the joy of giving surpasses any appreciation expressed in return.

I applaud the sentiment and altruism however often the generously donated supplies, components, and ammo are sold, traded. Or given away. Some folks see gifts as having no value since they didn't cost them anything.

[Cosmic_Charlie]

I recently got 8 lbs. of 2400. Still watching for Unique. Have a pretty good supply of primers. Our lgs was getting them in but they have not had any in awhile. Been casting some 9mm pills and loading them.

[fatelk]

I applaud the sentiment and altruism however often the generously donated supplies, components, and ammo are sold, traded. Or given away. Some folks see gifts as having no value since they didn't cost them anything.

That’s true. I’ve given stuff to friends like that. Many years ago a friend was complaining that he couldn’t find ammo for his new AK. I gave him a sealed tin of Chinese ammo that I had been hanging onto for years. I found out later that they’re more valuable than I realized. He took it out and burned up the whole 550 rounds in one afternoon. Easy come, easy go, for him.

Another friend I help set up for reloading, went to some time and effort to pick up inexpensive used equipment for him, and set him up with some of my cast bullets and extra dies. Some time later I asked him how it was working. Turns out it just sat for a few months and he decided he didn’t have time for it, so he gave it all away to someone else.

Another friend I’ve helped set up for reloading twice in the last 15 years, and as far as I know he’s never loaded a single round. I like to be helpful, but have gotten to a point where I’m a lot more selective about it.

[Winger Ed.]

My justification goes like this- a brick of primers locally is $100+tax.
So is taking my family out for a hamburger.

I haven't had to buy any primers in these times except 600 SR to treat myself at the local gun store.
But I look at things the same way.
If it's something I want-- just like getting a salt and grease with a cup of sugar water dinner for two at the drive up window and it's $30.
If I want it,,,,, I'll pay the price.

Sure they're higher than they used to be, but they are becoming available again.
I've tried complaining before, and it didn't really solve or fix any of my problems.
So, I figure, In our modern and enlightened age-- if you want to play- that's what you gotta pay.

[farmbif]

what is the moral of the story? never pass up on a deal you will use and can afford?
everyone is different, some need to replenish supplies when they are down to the last 100 primers, others when they are down to 100,000