High velocity.22lr ammo

[Wolfdog91]

Usually shy away from this stuff but when I go into a gunshop I always try to buy something out of respect for peoples time so it's usually a lil box of .22lr. Picked two boxes of HV ove the last few weeks along with my usual CCI standard and decided to do a little test them while I was doing to data validation the other day. Must say I'm pretty impressed

https://youtu.be/YaAfQ89fdlg

[Finster101]

Your results are better than mine with HV. I have learned to stick with standard velocity stuff for my rifles. Nice group and good testing. Guns definitely have their own preferences when it comes to ammo.

[schutzen-jager]

two of my Remington 513 matchmasters actually perform better with Federal HV bulk than with several different brands of premium SV -

[racepres]

High velocity is Not for all occasions... Any high velocity 22 in some of my guns...certainly the H&R 9 shot, are Too Hot...Hard extraction, malfunctions in semi auto's etc.. but, some, like the Standard model Ruger..and Absolutely, a Rem Nylon .22, Only function properly with High Velocity fodder.. I keep some of about all...including some Shorts!!!

[atr]

I have tested both and Hi velocity does not shoot as well as standard velocity (40gr) in my Mossberg model46B bolt action.

[M-Tecs]

Testing rimfire ammunition for accuracy tends to be an exercise in frustration. You will find the specific firearms have specific preferences that have no rhyme or reason. That type of testing is fun. The frustration comes in lot-to-lot variations. One lot will shoot great and one lot not so much. High level competitors will purchase large quantities of specific lots once they find one that they like. Places that sell higher end target ammo sell sorted by lots. When Champions Shooters Supply was around they would sell sample packs of various lots. Standard velocity 22 is thought to have the accuracy edge but some HV shoots superbly.

Even some to the firearms general preference defy logic. I have a Ruger 77/22 that is an average to below average shooter unless you shoot Eley Ten X or Winchester Wildcat HV. Winchester Wildcat HV generally doesn't shoot well in anything?????? but that rifle loves it.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/lot-to-lot-consistency.1207053/

https://eley.co.uk/find-the-perfect-batch-with-eleys-lot-analyser/

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/what-happened-to-champion-shooter-supply.3990144/

[racepres]

Testing rimfire ammunition for accuracy tends to be an exercise in frustration. You will find the specific firearms have specific preferences that have no rhyme or reason. That type of testing is fun. The frustration comes in lot-to-lot variations. One lot will shoot great and one lot not so much. High level competitors will purchase large quantities of specific lots once they find one that they like. Places that sell higher end target ammo sell sorted by lots. When Champions Shooters Supply was around they would sell sample packs of various lots. Standard velocity 22 is thought to have the accuracy edge but some HV shooters superbly.

Even some to the firearms general preference defy logic. I have a Ruger 77/22 that is an average to below average shooter unless you shoot Eley Ten X or Winchester Wildcat HV. Winchester Wildcat HV generally doesn't shoot well in anything?????? but that rifle loves it.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/lot-to-lot-consistency.1207053/


https://eley.co.uk/find-the-perfect-batch-with-eleys-lot-analyser/

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/what-happened-to-champion-shooter-supply.3990144/

Thanks for the suggestion...My 10-22 can be a Bugger!!!maybe I need to re-think that Ruger??

[turtlezx]

yep ever ones different just because its match ammo and costs more doesnt mean its the most accurate
proved that before test everything you can find

[M-Tecs]

Thanks for the suggestion...My 10-22 can be a Bugger!!!maybe I need to re-think that Ruger??

Put a Kidd trigger in it and a good aftermarket target barrel you will have a good start.

[trapper9260]

That is the thing with 22 ammo is that need to see what will work if your use it for long distance ,what I mean is 20yrds or more. Short it dose not matter. Like I use for dispatch animals in the trap. I am lucky if I am 5 yards away, some are up close so it works for me what ever ammo I use. But like stated otherwise the gun have its own mind and see what it likes the best.

[Shawlerbrook]

I find that my semi autos, especially the pocket handguns function much better with High or Hyper velocity ammo.

[robg]

my 1022 likes faster 22lr but hyper stuff is like a shotgun pattern.win power point and cci mini mags 36g are its favourite.

[uscra112]

Sell the 10/22 and get a Marlin. (dons Nomex fire suit). :bigsmyl2:

[Larry Gibson]

The most accurate in my 10-22s (stock Rugers) have always been the CCI MiniMag HPS or the Remington Yellow jackets. Both hold 1" at 75 yards (zero range). However, with the suppressed 10-22 the current CCI "match" and subsonic loads are also accurate and function reliably. The "hypers" never did well in any of my 22LRs, semi, bot or SS. The Winchester and Federal Bulk HV HPs also function very reliably with very good accuracy in my AR w/12" twist barrel using the M261 device.

The Remington M504 and Remington M37 Match rifles are very "picky" about what they will shoot the best. As mentioned, there is considerable lot to lot variation as to accuracy with both rifles. Many times it's hard to tell at 50 yards any real difference with both rifles. However, at 100 yards, especially with the M37, the difference in accuracy between different lots of the same ammunition can be considerable.

[HWooldridge]

Testing rimfire ammunition for accuracy tends to be an exercise in frustration. You will find the specific firearms have specific preferences that have no rhyme or reason. That type of testing is fun. The frustration comes in lot-to-lot variations. One lot will shoot great and one lot not so much. High level competitors will purchase large quantities of specific lots once they find one that they like. Places that sell higher end target ammo sell sorted by lots. When Champions Shooters Supply was around they would sell sample packs of various lots. Standard velocity 22 is thought to have the accuracy edge but some HV shoots superbly.

Even some to the firearms general preference defy logic. I have a Ruger 77/22 that is an average to below average shooter unless you shoot Eley Ten X or Winchester Wildcat HV. Winchester Wildcat HV generally doesn't shoot well in anything?????? but that rifle loves it.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/lot-to-lot-consistency.1207053/

https://eley.co.uk/find-the-perfect-batch-with-eleys-lot-analyser/

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/what-happened-to-champion-shooter-supply.3990144/

Amen to this post! I have a Ruger Mk1 that I picked up used a few years ago. First tried it with Armscor standard velocity and it literally shot a plate sized "pattern" at 25 yds (around 6" circle). Needless to say, I was very discouraged since that was the first time I'd shot the pistol - but I had a box of Federal sitting around so I loaded a clip and tried that. Was pleasantly surprised when the group immediately dropped to about an inch - and that was without cleaning. I didn't quite believe it, so I went back to the Armscor and tried again - and got the same results. Back to Federal, groups shrank same as the previous time. I can't explain why this much difference exists at such a relatively short distance.

[ChuckJaxFL]

...unless you shoot Eley Ten X or Winchester Wildcat HV.

Well, that makes sense. I think most Olympians use those two interchangeably.

[M-Tecs]

Well, that makes sense. I think most Olympians use those two interchangeably.

It makes more sense when you include the complete quote.


Even some to the firearms general preference defy logic. I have a Ruger 77/22 that is an average to below average shooter unless you shoot Eley Ten X or Winchester Wildcat HV. Winchester Wildcat HV generally doesn't shoot well in anything?????? but that rifle loves it.

[BadgerShooter]

I tested some SK High Velocity Match ammo. It shot amazingly well. Not as good as Match standard velocity, but far better than any other high velocity 22 I have shot. I may use it for 100 yard mini palma on windy days. I have two boxes of Lapua Scoremax left. Its a 48 grain bullet. I've shot inch groups at 200 with this ammo out of my FWB 2600. Unfortunately, its no longer made. Its an awesome load for windy days.

[ChuckJaxFL]

It makes more sense when you include the complete quote.

Yeah, but it's not funny that way.

I'm with the ".22 is a weird world" crowd. My father shoots a 522. He kept telling me he was out of Thunderbolts, and that it bummed him out, as the gun "likes them". I sent him some of my stash, a bunch of different stuff. He tried them, but wasn't really happy. He kept saying his gun likes Thunderbolts. I eventually found some online, ordered them for him. Sure enough, he sent me a picture of the groups... and they were good. Go figure.

[M-Tecs]

I've seen some amazing 200-yard groups posted with this

https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2023/01/lapua-offers-new-long-range-22-lr-ammo-with-tight-essd/

https://diprecision.com/lapua-22-lr-super-long-range-500-rd/?fbclid=IwAR3oXHlC0nzHn2QwFORrXFP_FwppKFB0uKZt7a8O JMW5uixBGRAS1G6yVBU

[Digital Dan]

The years pass and with any luck inquiring minds will learn something along the way. I have been blessed in that regard and my rimfires shoot well. The only gun I have that prefers HV ammo is an ancient 10/22 which prefers WW Powder Point ammo. I will not bother posting pics, but the Ruger shoots 5 shots into a ragged hole at 50 yards, and a wee bit under 1/2 MOA at 100 yards. It does nearly as well with a variety of Euro production SV ammo.

My .22 LR bolt guns dote on Wolf MT/SK Standard+, as does my Contender Carbine which recently put 5 rounds into a .091" group at 50 yards.

I have another TC Carbine chambered in .22 Short which will put 5 CB Shorts in one ragged hole at 25 yards. Hogs hate that gun.

Lastly, I undertook an experiment awhile back wherein I purchased some LR brass configured for CF priming, and it too will make wee little groups, some running ~1/2" at 50 yds. So, it comes to pass that my .22's are boring.

One of the curious things discovered with the .22 CF project during ammo breakdown relates to the quality of priming in factory RF ammo. For the most part, American production ammo is pure junk insofar as QC is concerned. Yes, they fire, but the curiosity is the degree of which priming compound is smear inside the case walls, sometimes all the way up to the bullet base. Conversely, the Euro production samples that I disassembled looks like the priming is surgically implanted. It explains, at least to me, why American production ammo tends to have larger extreme spreads of velocity than Euro ammo...every time.

[Rich/WIS]

Any 22 is a law unto itself when it comes to ammo. Years ago there was a fellow at the range with a fully tricked out Ruger 10-22. Bull barrel, tunes trigger, high quality scope etc that he had put about $1000 into. He was testing ammo and had a selection of various match grades and even some CCI SV. It was an eye opener, some of the match shot one holers at 25 yards and other match grade didn't do well at all. In fact some of the match grade was worse than the CCI SV. Even my "sportized" old Rem 513T shows definite preferences between brands and in both SV and HV, with SV the clear winner.

[Rapier]

Yep, the reason Federal went to the dimple base and spun priming on their hand made Olympic ammo. I still have three bricks of it, last I heard it was $100 a box of 50. People and 22s searching for consistent match accuracy at distance get a wee bit out of hand at times.
Used to communicate with the 22 BR folks at Precision Shooting magazine. A crazy bunch in the pursuit of 22 rimfire accuracy for sure.

All 22 rimfire accuracy nuts have a rim gauge. Just a tool to help consistency. But shooting small bore distance competition is capable of some real frustration, flack, where did that go.....

[303Guy]

I used to use HV ammo in my Remington 512 for silhouette. I cleaned out all the trophies! I could do head shots at 100yds with the stuff. Then they went Olympic and extended the range to 100m. End of my silhouette career. Groups went from minute of ram head to minute of pie plate! Small pie plate but you get what I mean. It appears that my rifle with ist's worn muzzle and the HV boolit, was going through the transonic zone closer to 100yds and by 100m, it was a shotgun pattern. I can't retest it because I took the trumpet muzzle off and restored the rifle's accuracy. But the point is, it shot those HVs well enough out to 100yds.

[pa.frank]

Every 22 rimfire I have ever owned, and its been a lot of them, has shot better with standard velocity ammo than with High velocity. However, the only 22 I will use high velocity ammo in is my 22 auto pistol used for summer carry.