Resurecting the STG44 - Haw you guys seen this!

[Hanzy4200]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWt_x22nwjk&t=73s

This is one of the most exciting things I've seen is a long time. Palmetto State Armory is bringing back a nearly perfect clone. Even chambered in 8MM Kurtz!

[fjrdoc]

I just stumbled onto this yesterday. The STG44 truly was an "assault rifle." I don't own any semi-automatic rifles but this is one that I would like to have.

[Thumbcocker]

I got to hold and examine an original once. The chamber had been welded full. Interesting but not my thing.

[MUSTANG]

I got to hold and examine an original once. The chamber had been welded full. Interesting but not my thing.

A one up on you. Had a friend years ago in North Carolina who owned a gun range. He had an original still in shooting form; allowed me to shoot it once. Always an enjoyable time to tie back to history through physical items.

[Larry Gibson]

Had one in our SF Battalion arms room. Shot it several times. Comparable in accuracy and controllability to an actual AK47 [milled receiver].

[old70]

I find it interesting, but I honestly don't have a practical use for one. I'd like to examine and fire one, just for the perception of history, though.

Old70

[Kosh75287]

I wonder what they'll want for one? Are there enough still-functional magazines around to not make new ones cost a young fortune?
This is also a "perfect storm" POOR time in history to re-introduce a new (but old) caliber to the ammunition market. Can anyone spell ".30 Super Carry"? Sure! I KNEW y'could!
It'd take more work than I'D want to invest, but at least the brass can be made from many other rounds.

[armoredman]

I would be interested in one in 5.56mm, which is on the list, but it won't looks as close to the original. I have heard this particular version is more visually "off" that the GSG 22lr STG44, (which my son is quite fond of), but fewer and fewer people are alive who have shot or even seen one in person to compare.

https://i.imgur.com/aPEuiuh.jpg

[haak48]

I own an original that I shoot from time to time. I used to have to make cases which was quite a chore, but re-loadable brass has been available for some years now. They are easy to load for and fun to shoot. Finding all the fired cases can be a chore though! Regards, JH

[jdgabbard]

I did see the Shot Show video where they were discussing it. Personally, I think it's cool that they plan on bringing out the OG Rifle Line - I am hoping they decide to release some new SKSs - Imagine have some really nice US made SKS variants... But I have mixed feelings about the STG. I like the idea of it, but I also feel like the switch to a different caliber forces us into a position where we have to pick a variety of cartridges which don't feel right for the rifle itself. I suppose if I were to buy one I'd want it in 30 HAM'R, since that would likely be the most comparable cartridge to the 8mm Kurtz besides the 7.62x39, which just seems completely out of place in that rifle. However, I think we all know that probably won't happen. I'll have to see what calibers they actually offer it in before I can give a definitive answer to how I feel about the rifle.

[schutzen-jager]

large article on them in the 2023 Gun Digest -

[andrew375]

Privi partisan are making 7.92x33 brass loaded ammo.

[36g]

Magazines for originals are running in the $500. each range. Kurtz round would be fine but .300 Blackout sounds like a better prospect. 7.62X39 would require a more curved mag to be reliable I would think. They are a fun gun to shoot and are fairly controllable in FA fire. Semi is no problem. I'm still running through a quantity of WWII and post war East German ammo that is still very reliable.

[Hanzy4200]

I wonder what they'll want for one? Are there enough still-functional magazines around to not make new ones cost a young fortune?
This is also a "perfect storm" POOR time in history to re-introduce a new (but old) caliber to the ammunition market. Can anyone spell ".30 Super Carry"? Sure! I KNEW y'could!
It'd take more work than I'D want to invest, but at least the brass can be made from many other rounds.

They are offering it in 5.56, .300 BLK, 7.62x39, and Kurtz. They are making their own magazines, so original prices are irrelevant. The only people who will buy the 8MM are hand loaders. Brass, dies, and bullets are easily available. I was told the MSRP is around $1,800, so I'd expect $1,500 in a year or so.

[Kosh75287]

WELL, if all those things are true, I'M prolly gonna need one, eventually!

[ScrapMetal]

WELL, if all those things are true, I'M prolly gonna need one, eventually!

Ditto! I'll have my wallet out in a flash.

-Ron

[GhostHawk]

Bit pricey for my taste. I really can't see buying one in 5.56. 7.62x39 I already have a SKS plus a handi rifle. Also have .300BO handi rifle. The 8mm Kurtz is interesting but not interesting enough to get around the price tag. While I agree that it is cool, I think I can live without this one.

[tmanbuckhunter]

It's PSA, you'll never see it for sale, EVER. Just like the MP5 they were supposed to sell.

[dverna]

I am ignorant of the platform.

For the most part, my guns are tools but I have a couple that have sentimental value.

Put aside the "cool" factor and answer a question.

What will it do that cannot be done in an AR at half the cost?

[HWooldridge]

I am ignorant of the platform.

For the most part, my guns are tools but I have a couple that have sentimental value.

Put aside the "cool" factor and answer a question.

What will it do that cannot be done in an AR at half the cost?

Bingo...

[Hickok]

Never could understand the "stacking hook" protrusion or what ever it is called, that is located above the gas piston. I realize you can gain access to the gasport area by turning it out and removing it, but what the is the need for the long pin-like protrusion.

[tmanbuckhunter]

I am ignorant of the platform.

For the most part, my guns are tools but I have a couple that have sentimental value.

Put aside the "cool" factor and answer a question.

What will it do that cannot be done in an AR at half the cost?

Absolutely nothing, but that's not why one would want an STG 44 anyways. Cool IS the *factor* of the rifle.

[jdgabbard]

I am ignorant of the platform.

For the most part, my guns are tools but I have a couple that have sentimental value.

Put aside the "cool" factor and answer a question.

What will it do that cannot be done in an AR at half the cost?

I don't know, I have mixed feelings on that line of thinking. While I generally agree from a practical standpoint there are much better options out there. But I also wouldn't give up my 1911A1 just because I have a nice Kimber. Some guns, whether they be 1911A1s, M1 Carbines, SKSs, STGs or even most BP Rifles/Pistols, don't have a lot of practicality today. But that doesn't mean we don't enjoy them, or they can't be used. But the price has to be something to make them relevant. At $1800, sure some people will buy them. I probably wouldn't be a buy until it came down pretty considerably.

[Baltimoreed]

I would love to shoot one before I invested in one. They are cool.

[36g]

The originals have a unique sound of the action working. The tilting bolt design gives a kind of clacking to the action and in some cases the recoil spring can be heard (since it's in the buttstock) similar to an AR at times. I don't know whether Palmetto's version copies the original design in these regards.

[dverna]

Thanks for the replies guys. I am very well set for my hunting, self-defence, and plinking needs/wants, but always interested in learning more about different guns and reevaluating my choices.

I understand "neat toys" as I indulged that weakness over many decades. Then realized most of the toys either rarely or never got shot.

[Bigslug]

Given the evolved state of the AR and ubiquity of its accessories, practicality has nothing to do with this one. Very cool in that a semi auto replica is really the only way to keep that bit of history alive, and clever that they made the minor tweaks they did to accept more common ammo, limited choices of optic, and modern muzzle devices so that you aren't TOTALLY painted into a 1945 corner.

[yeahbub]

I don't know whether it's available these days, but back in the 1990's, I went to a Knob Creek MG shoot to gaze and drool at all the stuff I could see there that I'd have to have multiple forunes to afford. Pretty amazing, actually. One of the things I was surprised to see was newly produced 8mm Kurz by some company I can't remember the name of in Portugal, FNM or something like that, along with many other military calibers. It was FMJ, non-corrosive, boxer primed, cases of it. I almost bought a 20 round box just for the heck of owning such a curiosity. It was interesting to me that the .473" case head diameter was retained when producing the rifles and designing the cartridge, no doubt as a manufacturing shortcut in such a hard-pressed time that late in the war. I thought it opened the door to some very interesting wildcat possibilities.

[haak48]

The Portuguese FNM 7.9x33 was produced by PPU with the FNM head-stamp, and is still available today with the PPU head-stamp. Regards, JH

[Hanzy4200]

I am ignorant of the platform.

For the most part, my guns are tools but I have a couple that have sentimental value.

Put aside the "cool" factor and answer a question.

What will it do that cannot be done in an AR at half the cost?

It's not about function. Nobody is arguing that it is a superior firearm, or has any real practical use. It's about history. This gun was arguably one of the most pivotal moments in modern firearm history. This was the first real "assault rifle". The grandfather to the AK-47, SKS, AR-15, and the rest. Up until now, the only way to own one was to fork over $60K for a select fire original.