Load recomendations Lee C430-310?

[stubert]

Looking for a starting point for my 44 mag. pistol. Lee 310 grain 430 diam. seated to 1.7" using Win. 296 powder and cci Mag. primers.
Thanks in advance, Stu

[454PB]

Depends on the gun. In my Ruger RH 7 1/2" I like 21 gr. with a CCI 350 primer. It chronographs 1230 fps. I'd say start at 19 gr. 296 and H-110 can produce squibs if reduced too much.

[hedgehorn]

You are gonna love that boolit! It is one of my favorite 44 mag boolits

[calkar]

Just bought the 6 cavity from Midway and was hoping that as cast diameter would be around .432 for my marlin. Does anyone think that is likely?

[JesterGrin_1]

No way will you get .432. If I were you I would look into the 44/444 mold as a matter of fact you can still get one. I did for my Marlin :)

I have been using the Lee 31OGr in my Marlin that I LeeMented a bit to get close to .432 with 21.OGr of W-296 and a Standard CCI Large Pistol Primer. :) AOL of 1.620

[leadman]

If you don't like the 296 load try 24grs. of wc680. Fills the case, velocity about 1,180fps, easy 8 inch grouping in every Ruger SBH it has been shot in at 200 yards with iron sights. A couple guns shot this at less than 4 inches at 200 yards.
Goes clear thru elk at 75 yards.

[calkar]

I dont see that 444 mold on midway. I believe you mean beagled. I have been gettin ready to try paper patching for that marlin, I just dont know what marlin was thinking. I have a ranch dog mould but its a pita to get a gas check on, Havent tried it without gas checks yet. Lees specs. are I believe
-.0 /+.003 (but not on mondays or fridays). LOL!

[JesterGrin_1]

I dont see that 444 mold on midway. I believe you mean beagled. I have been gettin ready to try paper patching for that marlin, I just dont know what marlin was thinking. I have a ranch dog mould but its a pita to get a gas check on, Havent tried it without gas checks yet. Lees specs. are I believe
-.0 /+.003 (but not on mondays or fridays). LOL!

Here is the Thread. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=51757

And you can order here if you hurry. http://mp-molds.com/index.php?pr=E_-_shop

[calkar]

Wow! that mold is beautiful!! Thanks!

[black44hawk]

Oh Yes! one of the best heavy 44 molds out there! You are right to use a very slow burning powder. 296 and H110 are similar. I was getting superb accuracy with 20.5 gr of H110 with a magnum primer. One caveat: this bullet seems to loose stability much past 150 yards. Though this does not apply to anyone except silhouette shooters, I still thought I would mention it. Talk about a premier hunting bullet!

[JesterGrin_1]

Here is the Thread. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=51757

And you can order here if you hurry. http://mp-molds.com/index.php?pr=E_-_shop


Wow! that mold is beautiful!! Thanks!

Yes it is. The point of it is that it will weigh about the same as the LEE 310Gr but I can have a hollow point of 290Gr and the as cast size is .433 so it will work in my Marlin 1894SS in .44 Mag. And should be a GREAT HOG hunting or Deer BOOLIT. :)

[outdoorfan]

Here is the Thread. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=51757

And you can order here if you hurry. http://mp-molds.com/index.php?pr=E_-_shop


Hurry? When's the cut-off date on that one?

[JesterGrin_1]

The cut off time is past. But he had a few left that he is going to sell on the second Link. He only had 10 over so you might wish to jump soon. I know for sure 3 are gone.

[outdoorfan]

That mold's so purdy I'm tempted to grab it even though I don't even have a .44 right now. Wish money wasn't so tight!

[fredj338]

Great looking mould @ a good price. I like the Lee 310gr, but this one give you a HP as well as multiple crimp grooves. FWIW, I run the 310gr Lee o/ 20gr of W296 or H110. I have yet to take game w/ it, but it should penetrate all day.

[44man]

The Lee 310 with 21.5 gr of 296 and a Fed 150 primer. Out of a Ruger, sub 1" groups at 50 yards and this boolit does NOT go unstable.

[JesterGrin_1]

I have used the 21.O Gr of W-296 with the LEE 310 Gr but my next load I will try 21.5Gr. The only primer I have that I can use is the CCI LPP NOT the Mag primer. :)

But now the HUGE ? lol. The 44/444 Mold hollow point should be right at 290Gr of the same size as the LEE 310. How much can I go up on the charge of W-296 with that weight of a BOOLIT? I was thinking to 22.O ?

And I have only shot at 100 yards and have seen nothing to show that the LEE 310Gr is unstable.

[44man]

I have used the 21.O Gr of W-296 with the LEE 310 Gr but my next load I will try 21.5Gr. The only primer I have that I can use is the CCI LPP NOT the Mag primer. :)

But now the HUGE ? lol. The 44/444 Mold hollow point should be right at 290Gr of the same size as the LEE 310. How much can I go up on the charge of W-296 with that weight of a BOOLIT? I was thinking to 22.O ?

And I have only shot at 100 yards and have seen nothing to show that the LEE 310Gr is unstable.
I would stay at 21.5 for the 290. It seems to be a magic number. I don't go to 22 gr until I get to the 265 RD boolit.

[JesterGrin_1]

Ok another wild question is the reason for the 21.5Gr between the two BOOLIT weights the fact that both leave the same amount of case capacity. Thus you can only load so much powder into the case without too high of powder compression?

[jack19512]

easy 8 inch grouping











:shock: At what distance are you getting these 8 inch groups?

[JesterGrin_1]

If you have an 8 inch Group you are tooooooooooo far away. :)

[defib]

Just checked the web site he is out of stock on those molds now.

[44man]

Ok another wild question is the reason for the 21.5Gr between the two BOOLIT weights the fact that both leave the same amount of case capacity. Thus you can only load so much powder into the case without too high of powder compression?
I seat in the lower crimp groove and that leaves 1/8" airspace. If seated to the upper groove the boolit just reaches the powder. There is no compression. A little compression does not harm 296 anyway.
The reason for 21.5 is ACCURACY, nothing more, nothing less.
Working to that load shows a tightening for each increase and after 21.5, groups will slowly open again. I have worked to 23 gr but no load beats 21.5.
Now I also use that load in the .45 Colt with a 300 gr Lee, a 335 gr LBT and a Lyman boolit that comes out of the mold at 347 gr. You can see the spread of boolit weights the charge works with. That is why I call it a magic number.
Do not read too much into it, the load works.

[saz]

"Now I also use that load in the .45 Colt with a 300 gr Lee, a 335 gr LBT and a Lyman boolit that comes out of the mold at 347 gr. You can see the spread of boolit weights the charge works with. That is why I call it a magic number.
Do not read too much into it, the load works."[/QUOTE]

If you dont mind me asking, which lyman mold are you getting a 347gr boolit out of?

[JesterGrin_1]

Sorry .44Man for me in my Marlin 1894SS in .44 Mag the 21.5Gr of W-296 did not work as well as 21.OGr of W-296. But I also seat in the top crimp groove. I did this 100 yards to check the load Sunday :) I am thinking about sneaking up to the 21.5Gr .01 Gr at a time lol. Hey it might work lol.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/IMAG0051.jpg

[44man]

I have the Lyman 452651 that is supposed to weigh 325 gr. With WW it is 347 and with my hard alloy is 343 gr.
It would be a hum bugger out of pure lead, wouldn't it? :Fire:
Jester, we are talking a revolver. I found the same in my Marlin in that it likes 1/2 gr less with most boolits.
However I have shot 1" groups at 100 one day and the gun would not hold paper the next with the same load you use. It does the same with the RD 265 gr and I would never shoot at a deer past 50 with any load or boolit I have. It is the most disgusting gun I ever owned.
Drives me nuts when I think I have a good load and make a bunch.
Same at 50, I have shots groups with all shots touching but at 100 my slingshot is better.

[44man]

Jester, by the way, have you slugged your barrel? I have Ballard rifling but it is only .003" deep.

[calkar]

Recieved the lee 6 cav. 430-310 yesterday. Molded some today and I must have got lucky for once. With roughly a lyman #2 mix, I get a out of round .430 to .432. I will do my first Lementing tomorrow. The gas checks go on great so I guess I will apply crest or comet with a q-tip and stay away from the gas check area. Im wondering if comet is a little to abrasive? So it looks like my starting load for this bullet with H-110 should be 19 or 20gr. How about 2400?

[JesterGrin_1]

Okay you will have to seat the Lee 310 Gr on the top crimp groove which should give you an AOL of 1.620 to 1.625 and with a load of 21.OGr of H-110 with a standard primer. Look at the post above for more info from me on the load and the target. :)

[calkar]

I sure hope my 94 likes that load like yours, I will try it this weekend. Thanks!

[JesterGrin_1]

Okay I will also add if you are shooting for group. Only put one round at a time in the rifle. Also bring along a gunsmith screwdriver kit or at least the bits you will need to tighten the ones on your rifle. Check all screws before shooting. And I also check them after every 5 round group. Try and stay consistant with how tite you get the screws.

And since you are shooting for group and trying out loads. Weigh those bullets. And lets say if you are going to shoot 5 or whatever number you wish for group try and keep all of those boolits for that group as close as you can in weight. I am a pain as I do try and get mine within a 2/10th's of a grain spread in weight or better. So Yes many of my boolits will go back into the pot if I can not fit them in a group of at least 5 in the same weight. I weigh all of my boolits before the gas check or lube. That way I do not waste the lube or gas check if they are out of spec.

But .44Man did inform me that when he does weight boolits if they are within 1gr he is happy. Sorry I get this stuff from when I first started with BPCR lol. And yes I am relaxing some lol.

[leadman]

Jestergrin1 & jack19512, I edited my post. My mind was working faster thaqn my 2 fingers that day. 8 inches is the largest group normally shot out of about 5 or 6 SBHs I shot this in. This included windy days and my off days. I'm not saying I don't miss, but I usually can tell when it is my fault.
I've shot this boolit farther than 200 yards, but to do this with any accuracy a taller front sight is needed. With the slow velocity of the WC680 I crank the rear sight all the way down with the cylinder removed 'cuz I have had to trim the screw off so it doesn't hit the cylinder.
Even out to 300 yards I see no signs of instability.

[calkar]

I did some lementing on the 6 cav. 430-311-rf today. I tried baking soda and I think it was very mild as an abrasive. Now they mic. .431 to .432 and drop great. One more session and they should be an even .432. I spun each cavity for a ten count , four times through. A new bullet was used after each time through 6 cavitys. I could tell where the abrasive was cutting by watching where the carbon from smoking remained. All of the cutting was being done where the blocks meet. For some reason that is where all of my lee molds have the smallest measurement.

[calkar]

First pic is the ranch dog 165gr. and the second pic is the lee 430-310, sorry that bull got a little cluttered so I marked the lee's. I never expected the ranch dogs to print in the same place. Both charged with 21 gr. of H 110. The stick on dot is 3" and the distance is a 100 yds, sight is a peep. Wow! the lee load rattled my teeth and loosened all the rifles screws. Not a plinking load for sure, but that is as good as I have seen this rifle shoot cast bullets. Now I need to keep my eyes open for any charging elephants or rinos to test the lee boolits performance. Great tip Thanks!

I hesitate to mention this, I was rushing a bit to put these loads together last night and realized after they were done that I had forgoten to lube the lee bullets. No the bore was not leaded. Maybe they will shoot better next time if I remember to lube them.

[JesterGrin_1]

If you did that with open sights I would say you are there. :). Just move them about 2 inches above the bull which will stretch your range out to say 140 yards or so and be within the 6 inch kill zone. But it all depends on the ranges you hunt at.

Again GOOD JOB :)

[calkar]

will do, thanks again Jester