How many of you guys use Titegroup orIMR 4227 in loading cast rifle loads?

[koger]

I only recently became aware of these two being used in loading cast bulletts. Everyone please chime in if you have been using them succesfully.

[Misery-Whip]

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[RickinTN]

15 to 16 grains 4227 in my '68 Marlin 336 30-30 with a custom 185 grain bullet Tom@Accuratemolds made the mold for me. 31-180R I think I remember. Shoots about 1/2'" at 50 yards. My favorite 30-30 load.
Good Luck,
Rick

[Soundguy]

Depends... I load a lot of titegroup for handgun rounds..and occasional imr 4227 as well. I have plenty of long guns in pistol calibers.. 38spl, 357 mag, mm mag, 45 colt...etc. I'm shooting all cast in those.. So yes..im using those powders in cast loads for rifles...

[Sasquatch-1]

I use Titegroup in .44Rem Mag for full mag loads in a Desert Eagle. But with TG you need a good metering system when approaching max loads. A tenth of a grain can be devastating.

[brokeasajoke]

I use titegroup in 38spl and 9mm here lately.

[crandall crank]

I use it. I was given a pound for free!

[Dancing Bear]

IMR 4227 for 44mag loads for pistol and rifle.

[Bigslug]

4227 is one of the small-rifle-cartridge powders of choice. If you're playing with Bees, Hornets, or Fireballs, it should be on your list. It's wjat my K-Hornet needed for cast.

[Thumbcocker]

4227 is showing some promise with boolits in 7x57 but testing is ongoing.

[pworley1]

I don't use much Titegroup but 4227 is very good in many cast loads for rifle bullets.

[AlaskaMike]

I use IMR4227 with some of my .30-06 cast loads with very good success.

No experience with Titegroup however.

[imashooter2]

No Titegroup in the house. IMR 4227 works very well for 300 BLK supers.

[longbow]

I use IMR4227 in .308 Win under a Lyman 31141 (170 gr.), in .303 British under NOE 316299 (200 gr.) and .44 mag for boolit weights from 250 gr. to 270 gr.

Longbow

[Hick]

I use a lot of Titegroup in rifle loads for mid to light velocities

Some of my typical loads

All Titegroup:

223 Rem (CZ-527, not semi-auto): 5.0 grains under a 225-55-FNGC, 1630 fps
7.62 x 39 (CZ-527, not semi-auto): 7.5 grains under 312-155GC, 1360 fps
30-30: 6.1 grains under C309-170GC, 1070 fps
30-06 (Garand): 13.0 grains C309-200GC, 1500 fps (not cycling, of course)
Enfield, 303 British: 10 grains under a SAECO 177 grain, plain based, 1450 fps
7.65 Mauser: 10.5 grains under 314-299GC, 1350 fps

[Castaway]

Either of the 4227’s with cast bullets in 45 Colt work well for the upper end, or “Ruger” loads for me. I’ve never been able to get the same level of accuracy with H110. Also have had good luck with 4227 and 170 grain cast bullets in 30-30

[NEKVT]

I use 24gr 4227 with .75gr dacron filler under Lee 459-405-HB in a 45-70 Trapdoor with 20" barrel for 1120fps. First time I used 4227 for a reduced rifle load was in a Ruger M77 6mm Rem plinking load of 16gr and a Rem 80gr Rem SP that shot into one hole at 50yds. That might translate to cast loads in similar capacity cartridges.

[curiousgeorge]

Hi Koger,
No Titegroup used, but a lot of 4227 has gone down my rifles. I've used it in 30-06, 7.65x53, & 8x57 pretty consistently. I've also shot quite a bit in 22 Hornet, 22 Jet, and 45 Colt. Also tried in 38 special (200 gr boolit), 357 mag, and 44 mag but generally stay with Unique, 2400, and H110 in those. Glad I've got 5 pounds of it. Very useful. Steve

[gnostic]

Titegroup is my go to powder for 9mm, 38 special, 45acp and 38 super, It's like Bullseye. I've heard a lot of bad things about it, but my experience after having used five pounds or so has been great.

[gnoahhh]

4227 is my go-to powder in .32-40. Works better than anything else I have so I stick with it. If they ever discontinue it I'll cry, like I cried when they dropped 4759.

Charge: 14.0 grains, 1400fps.
Bullet: 185 and 190 custom jobs from Accurate, cast 1:30 tin:lead
Case: W-W, with 1/8" felt wad in mouth
Primer: Federal Large Pistol
Lube: Javelina Schuetzen, 75/25 beeswax/alox

Bullet breech seated 1/8" ahead of case. One case= hundreds of shots, no re-sizing just de-re prime & charge the case at the shooting bench. 1"+ accuracy @ 200 yards (with 20x Unertl). Darned slow, but accurate!

https://i.imgur.com/nR5JRfUl.jpg
(Pope #53 .32-40)
https://i.imgur.com/nUgomEql.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vGBvPZZl.jpg

[facetious]

I'v been using 17.5 gr's of 4227 in a .308 with a 170 gr. LBT .

[Soundguy]

Titegroup is my go to powder for 9mm, 38 special, 45acp and 38 super, It's like Bullseye. I've heard a lot of bad things about it, but my experience after having used five pounds or so has been great.

Same... But I've used way more..pretty much my go to handgun powder. And..its not position sensitive..like bullseye can be.
Most of the time when I hear someone complain about titegroup..i generally think of a person that can't reliably use a scale or otherwise correctly meter a powder.. Or someone who can't be bothered to check a case.. Or be careful enough not to get distracted and triple or quad charge a case.
I once talked to a guy that would ONLY use bulky 'case full' powders because that was his check system that he wasn't overcharging..ie..well..powders not spilling out... I must be ok. Scared me that his skill level was soon low and process so haphazard that his safety check to prevent charging accidents was just case full charging.

Not to mention how wasteful that is... I did a calculation on his powder vs titegroup.. And titegroup on average loaded 2.5× more cases. In this day and age of some powders being 50$.. That's huge monetary waste vs just becoming safer and paying attention...

[243winxb]

Reduce powder charge for cast. From 1999 IMR Powder Guide.

[ATCDoktor]

I use 14.5 grains of IMR 4227 in both the 30-30 and 32-40 (both using 165 grain boolits) Andy accuracy is quite good:

Marlin 1893 30-30 10 rounds at 100 yards 14.5 grains IMR 4227
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Marlin 1893 32-40 10 rounds at 100 yards 14.5 grain IMR 4227
https://i.postimg.cc/50HpS6Vk/A3363D78-5B8C-4456-A73F-AC7CB19105CD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Walks]

Titegroup in .44Spl, .38Spl, .45S&W, .32ACP and more.

[upr45]

Titegroup in 38sp, 9mm, 45ACP, 45colt, & 32acp with cast or plated

[ndnchf]

I just loaded some .38 Colt heel bullet rifle loads with IMR 4227. It work well in this old rifle.

[jimb16]

4227 is my goto for the M1 carbine for jackets and cast.

[SoonerEd]

Both are powders that are at the top of my list to develop a load.

4227 for straightwall rifle
Tightgroup for pistol.

[MostlyLeverGuns]

Use a lot of 4227, 45 Colt - 454424 - 20 grains, Marlin 336 30-30 - 311407 - 15 grains, Savage 99 308 Win - 311332 - 20 grains, Savage 99 300 Savage - 311332 - 20 grains, 22 Hornet - 225415.
Use TiteGroup in 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 44 Special, 45 Colt, 40 S&W, inside ranhge listed by Hodgdon's, also 30-30 with plain base 165 Commercial, 32 Special - plain base commercial, 303 Savage - 165 commercial, 6 or 7 grains in the rifle cartridges.

[popper]

4227. rl7, unique, red dot (shot some today in 30/30), 2400. They all work.

[papaglenn]

My load for my Rossi 92 45 Colt is a 260 gr bullet loaded over 20.5 gr of IMR 4227.

Accurate and goes 1300 fps muzzle velocity.

[flintlocke]

I use 5.5 of Titegroup to push 180 gr wheelweights in my .38-40 Bisley, but best of all is the same load in 1873 Winchester, which turns in 2 1/2" groups at 100 yds...never bothered to chrono because I don't care, I'm not changing the recipe.

[fastdadio]

I've used both powders in many different calibers with great success. I'll always have them on the bench.

[Rapier]

I have used 4227 for decades, rifle, revolver, single shot handgun. With spherical buffer in bottle neck cartridges it cuts groups near in half. The process is to compress the spherical buffer for shot shells on top of the 4227 to hold the powder firmly in place on the primer.

This process is straight out of the Handloading Annual Magazine by the way. Where it shows a 1/2" group at 100 with the 7mm TCU using a 145 RCBS and 15 grains of 4227 under the compressed spherical buffer. I have won more than a few trophies with cast against J bullets in competition using this same load.

[Kosh75287]

I used 4227 in .357 Magnum, but it didn't really give me an advantage over Alliant 2400. I STILL use 4227 in Ruger-only .45 Colt loads in my Redhawk, where it gives me somewhat higher velocities than Alliant 2400. Things tend to work better when I use large Pistol Mag primers with 4227, but it also works well enough without them.
I don't have any experience with TG, likely won't ever. I have too many other propellants with similar properties to use up, first. TG seems to be all the rage among competitive shooters and many others. I've read many posts relating that it burns hotter than other propellants, which seems problematic if used in events with rapid-fire stages.

[atr]

4227 for my 25-20 loads and many of my 38/357 loads

[MT Gianni]

4227 works well for the Hornet.

[M1fuzz]

I use IMR4227 w/ great success in my military rifles shooting cast. A great powder!!!

[lead collector]

Never used T G in anything, so I cant speak to what its capable of doing.

I have burned a lot of 4227 and hope that stays around for some time to come.
It worked good in my 44 mags, and 357, as well as my 30 carbine.

A year or so ago I started trying to use it in my 7.5 Swiss. I was looking for a more accurate powder than Unique, and 2400.
What I discovered was the following.
It will produce some really accurate loads, but its a little harder to accomplish than it is with the above powders.
I was not using a crimp with 2400, Unique, green dot, and red dot, but found that 4227 absolutely does.
Groups were really erratic with the un-crimped loads. So apparently this powder needs to build some pressure, in order to burn cleanly and consistently.

So with cases accurately trimmed, and with a moderate crimp, with weighed and sorted RCBS 30-165 bullets, and 20 grains of 4227 my Swiss K31, with a scope will shoot 5 shots into an inch group at 100 yards.
I shoot a couple of shots to warm up, and then 5 on the target.

Last fall I tried this load at 400 yards, in my 03A3 and it shot just under 5 inches, with open sights.
I can't say a lot, about this load, as I did not shoot it much. We never got a chance to shoot again before winter weather shut us down.

Long story short, this powder is great in Pistols, and show great promise in the rifles that I have tried it in.

[Markopolo]

4227 is awesome in 44 mag and M1 carbine… goto in those cals