Win 244

[Crs7079]

I recently came across some Win 244. Want to use it in 41 magnum with MBC 215 coated. Anyone have a successful load worked up for this?

[centershot]

The burn rate of 244 is almost identical to Alliant Unique, you could use that data to work up a load.

[Crs7079]

Thank you my friend!

[Crs7079]

Would anyone concur with a load range of 6.4-8 grains of 244 in 41 mag given its similarities with Unique. (215 hard cast 18bhn coated).

[rintinglen]

Not a lot of data out there to work from, but it appears to be quite a bit faster than Unique. I'd start at 5.5 grains and work up to no more than 8.0. And I'd be carefully chronographing each rise in powder charge.

[Crs7079]

I show 244 as nearly identical to unique on burn chart. It also shows minimum charge of 8.5 for 44 magnum 240 lead. If i reduce to 80 percent of 8.5, i end up with 6.8. (80% is average resuction in comparable fast powders from 44m to 41mag. I fear 5.5 would yield squib load. Where am i going wrong?

[Crs7079]

I should mention that i desire to stay near 25000 psi so as not to lead barrel. So far i have tried titegroup and AA9 with terrible inaccuracies. I have ordered Win 231 and have that as back up. Wish i could find unique.

[rintinglen]

Burn charts are nearly useless in determining powder charges. HS-6 is allegedly slightly faster than Autocomp, and both are quicker than CFE Pistol, being 40, 41 and 42 on the latest powder chart that I have. Yet the max charges listed by Hodgdon for the 44 mag 225 Grn Speer JHP, are 11.6 grns of CFE, 11.8 of Autocomp and 15.5 for HS-6! Were I to blithely say, "Well HS-6 is safe at 15.5 grns, so my CFE will be safe there, too," I'd be risking a 25% overload.

In the 44 mag, the 244 burns faster than 231. With a 220 grain bullet, equal 9.4 maximum charges yield just about 10% less pressure with the 231. I'm guessing here, but I think the 41 magnum will have a similar relationship. They show 8.6 grns as a max load for 231's twin, HP38 with a 210 Hornady max load.
So I would think that 8.0 grains of 244 is right on the lip of too much, but probably not over. Your lead boolit is 5 grains heavier that the Hornady bullet. And we have no 41 mag data for the powder in question to draw inferences from. I would stop at 7.0-7.2 grains, whereever I got good accuracy and little or no leading.

[Crs7079]

I appreciate the input and your logic. I will start in the 6ish range and work up cautiously. Since this is for target practice/ joy of shooting in Missouri Ozarks, accuracy is more important to me than power. Thank you. New to site and i must say that I appreciate all your input. God bless!

[ioon44]

I got reloading data for 244 from the Hodgdon reloading website for loading .380 ACP, .45 ACP & 9mm and just starting to work up loads for 244.

Welcome Crs7079 to the forum, are around Springfield MO?

[nicholst55]

I got reloading data for 244 from the Hodgdon reloading website for loading .380 ACP, .45 ACP & 9mm and just starting to work up loads for 244.

Welcome Crs7079 to the forum, are around Springfield MO?

And they don't list data for W244 and the .41 Mag.

[ioon44]

OK, I see that now, odd that there is data for the .44 mag and not for the .41mag.

[243winxb]

6.0 grs of 244 with 215 gr lead. Work up. In 41 mag. My best guess after using in 44 mag with 250 & 215 gr cast.

[Crs7079]

Ioon44. Yes. Republic Mo. 10 mins from Springfield

[Crs7079]

I think i agree. 6 is good starting point. Work up until groups are tight and stop! Thats the plan.

[Crs7079]

Ioon44, you going to Tulsa gun show on 12th? Im going with a large group from my church (mens trip). Always worth the trip!

[centershot]

In the 44 mag, the 244 burns faster than 231.

I'm curious to know, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

[Crs7079]

I must admit. I see 244 as considerably slower than 231.

[ioon44]

Ioon44, you going to Tulsa gun show on 12th? Im going with a large group from my church (mens trip). Always worth the trip!

Not going to Tulsa gun show, but you have a safe trip.

Do shoot at the SRBC range?

[Crs7079]

hopefully find something I can’t live without. No, I shoot on my property.

[ioon44]

I shoot IDPA & USPSA matches at the SRBC on the 3rd & 4th Saturdays of each month, the matches are open to the public.

[Crs7079]

Now that is something I am gonna have to check out.

[ioon44]

https://springfieldbenchrest.com/

Here is a link to the website.

[Crs7079]

What caliber do you use to shoot? Range? Rifle? Forgive me, i am ignorant to competition shooting

[ioon44]

I shoot a 1911 in .45 ACP mostly. Range is 20 yds or less. Look up IDPA for more info.

[rintinglen]

I'm curious to know, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Identical charges show 244 having ~22,000 psi versus ~20,000 for 231 with the same bullet. Usually, higher pressure means faster burning, all else being equal.

[Crs7079]

I just noticed 244 listed in 38 special. 158 lead with 4 grains equals 16100 psi. Smaller case so a 5 grain charge should be close in 357 case??? To get to 25k, i imagine 6ish??? Your thoughts?

[rintinglen]

Are we talking 41 or 357 magnum here? Hodgdon has data for the 357, showing 6.0 grains max with a 158 grain cast SWC at 27,800 psi and 1250 fps from a 10" bbl.

[Crs7079]

Found really old can at Tulsa gun show. It says Hercules 2400. Appears never opened but the man put a sticker on it labeled imr 4831. What do i have here? Would you use it?

[dondiego]

Found really old can at Tulsa gun show. It says Hercules 2400. Appears never opened but the man put a sticker on it labeled imr 4831. What do i have here? Would you use it?

It would be pretty easy to tell the difference from 2400 to 4831. 4831 is a stick powder and 2400 is kind of like a flattened ball powder. Smaller flakes. I guess the real question is what really the powder is???? I would buy it at a reduced price and figure that out pretty easily. A lot of guys are going to say that it is fertilizer but I have encountered plenty of unknown powders, but never was it fertilizer. I am, uhhhh, let's just say that I am frugal.