South African gun shop

[Thumbcocker]

While we were in South Africa earlier this month we got to go into town one day. Lephalale is a town of about 17,000 in Limpopo province. The shop is called Wild Man Huntin and Outdoor.

I went up to the counter and explained to the young man there that I was visiting from the U.S. and asked if it would be ok if I took photos inside the shop. He replied " Of course sir. Thank you for asking first. Would you like to see the safe where we keep the guns and ammo? "

Would I? Heck yeah! It seems that in South Africa guns and ammo are kept in a safe, in this case the size of an efficiency apartment, even in the shop. There were air rifles on display out front.

The young man took me back and let me take pics. We chatted for a few minutes. He was up to date on things gun related in the U.S. Like every South African I interacted with he was polite, asked about my trip, and wanted to know what I thought of his country.

Here are the pics. Note the AKM's and other black rifles. Also note the large selection of bolt guns. Also... they had primers in stock.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220927/9b422638d5632fd08192d903854ba3e0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220927/eb67e06809eb20f28141b873c4001b37.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220927/5cc99d151a357ed0b45da631b43f7c0b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220927/d222fac3f773a099d67407e1e06497ee.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220927/aef2ffe30388d741e5483601416645a3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220927/8052e4ef06e3fa7bdb3bb9bc009ef5da.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220927/768de6ad13c98bcf7ad66846deaa5d34.jpg

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[Pereira]

Lol, that's the most primers I've seen in one spot in a long time.

RP

[Texas by God]

Thanks for sharing. It looks like a good selection. Does a South African citizen have lots of hoops to jump through to purchase a long gun? I didn't see handguns so I won't ask. Does the monkey sitting on the gun safe work there?[emoji16]
Me and Mrs TbG need to go there someday!

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[Bazoo]

Cool. Thanks for sharing. The shop doesn’t look any different than shoppes here. What kind of restrictions to own and use a firearm there? And what was a couple cost references you might remember?

[Pereira]

Have a friend there in SA, lots of hoops to jump through, with licenses to be renewed quite often.
And limited to how many, and yes they can own handguns.

RP

[Thumbcocker]

Some of the younger PHs carried 9mm side arms to put down wounded critters without tearing them up. According to people I talked to a defensive shooting means someone with a knife at 10 meters or less. Long guns require a license. First time requires a psyc evaluation, course, proficiency test, and etc. Then you can buy your rifle and wait for processing. 8 months is not uncommon. More long guns can be put on the license but still a long wait time.

I was asked about buying a long gun here. I explained the FOID card and the 3 day waiting period. The locals were just stunned that it was that easy. I then explained that in some states it was a matter of showing ID, getting the instant background check, paying, and leaving with your gun immediately. They couldn't believe it. Count your blessings folks. We have our problems here and we spend a lot of time bickering with each other, but by and large we have it real good in the US of A.

[dverna]

Thanks for posting.

Hope you and the Mrs had a good trip!!

[TyGuy]

I’d shop there! Thanks for sharing

[Bmi48219]

…..We have our problems here and we spend a lot of time bickering with each other, but by and large we have it real good in the US of A.

Lots of people want to change that. Gotta let your congressmen know where you stand, often

[45workhorse]

Look at that selection of powders and primers.... Pre china flu! I remember when shops I trade at looked that way......

[openbook]

Beautiful sight.

[contender1]

Isn't it amazing that foreign countries have reloading supplies in good stock,, while here in the USA we are struggling?

[15meter]

Isn't it amazing that foreign countries have reloading supplies in good stock,, while here in the USA we are struggling?

I doubt if they had the insane panic buying like we did here. The last election fueled some crazy stuff.

I was in one gunshop and listened to one guy braying that what was on the shelf was all we'd ever see again in our lives. He bought ammo for calibers he didn't own. Bet he's still got it, doesn't have a clue what he's going to do with it. No gun to use it in and too late to sell it for gouger prices.

His grand kids will probably tear his house apart looking for the non-existent guns grandpa bought that ammo for.

"Grampa wouldn't have bought ammo for a gun he didn't own".

Heard multiple speeches like that in the 4 gun clubs I frequent on a regular basis AND posts here. "I bought xxx because it was there and I haven't seen it in months. Didn't need it, but I wasn't gonna leave it there". Look through the posts here and you'll see multiple posts saying the same thing.

"We have meet the enemy and they is us!"

[John Guedry]

The sad part is all the made in the U.S.A. labels and hardly any here.

[M-Tecs]

Some of the younger PHs carried 9mm side arms to put down wounded critters without tearing them up. According to people I talked to a defensive shooting means someone with a knife at 10 meters or less. Long guns require a license. First time requires a psyc evaluation, course, proficiency test, and etc. Then you can buy your rifle and wait for processing. 8 months is not uncommon. More long guns can be put on the license but still a long wait time.

I was asked about buying a long gun here. I explained the FOID card and the 3 day waiting period. The locals were just stunned that it was that easy. I then explained that in some states it was a matter of showing ID, getting the instant background check, paying, and leaving with your gun immediately. They couldn't believe it. Count your blessings folks. We have our problems here and we spend a lot of time bickering with each other, but by and large we have it real good in the US of A.

Comparatively we have it better but for how long? Some very much want to change what we have into a SA style system or worse.

[JRD]

Here's a theory as to why they have so much ammo and components in stock:
South Africans aren't allowed to buy ammo in bulk. They need a license for every gun they own and are only allowed to own a certain amount of ammunition for each gun.
I don't know if this is universal, but my PH last year told me that he is only allowed to own 100 rounds of ammo for each gun on his license.
He carried a CZ 9mm while we were hunting and said he has it on him "from Monday to Sunday". Think of it- two boxes of 9mm being all you are allowed to own at one time.

If the South Africans could buy as much ammo as they wanted, I bet it wouldn't be in stock there either.

On the other side, suppressors are totally unregulated and you can buy one like you buy a flash hider here.

For as many restrictions as the law abiding folks have in South Africa, my PH said the country is awash in illegal handguns. Crime is really bad and the police are corrupt. Anyone who owns property has razorwire fences around their yards and keeps their power tools in bunker-like sheds.

The hunting was cool, but visiting South Africa made me love the USA even more.

[oley55]

On the other side, suppressors are totally unregulated and you can buy one like you buy a flash hider here.

Of all the ridiculously stupid firearm laws/regs we have, the sound suppressor one has to be the stupidest.

[elmacgyver0]

Of all the ridiculously stupid firearm laws/regs we have, the sound suppressor one has to be the stupidest.

If the Government really had our best interests in mind, they would mandate suppressors.

[Thumbcocker]

Riding through Pretoria and Johannesburg was eye opening and scary.

I'm not sure what the laws are on reloading but one PH told me it is pretty common. Our PH was just getting started loading .308.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Thanks for sharing the photos.
I bet it was a great time.

[Boz330]

Riding through Pretoria and Johannesburg was eye opening and scary.

I'm not sure what the laws are on reloading but one PH told me it is pretty common. Our PH was just getting started loading .308.

I lived in Johannesburg in 82 and 83 when SA was a safe and nice place to live. Even then getting a handgun was a little bit of a hassle the first time. There was no limit on ammo and I shot IPSC and was going through 200+ rounds a week. Compared to here the reloading was expensive but cheaper than loaded ammo.
I brought in some guns and sold them through a local dealer and doubled my money on them and he did as well. At the time you could have paid for a hunt by bringing in the right firearms to sell after the hunt was over.
I loved the country at the time but it isn't a particularly safe place to be right now. Most of the folks that I knew down there have moved to England, Australia or new Zealand and some came here.
I was just getting some good contacts for hunting down there when my time was up. At a going away party Gerry Gore told me he needed 6 guys to fill a cull Buffalo hunt. All I had to do was come up with a rifle big enough to fill the bill. Even then a Buff hunt was 6K.
When I accepted the job down there the South African Rand was $1.17 US. Last price I heard was about R9 to the dollar. SA was extremely rich in natural resources but the country's economy in is the dumper.