I get frustrated

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I get frustrated trying to figure out what gun movie characters or using. It seems their hands are always covering the action and the director only allows a second to see it. I was watching the old movie, A GHOST IN THE DARKNESS with Val Kilmer recently and he was loading a bolt action rifle but the shot of him loading was so short I just could not tell what the rifle was. Have you seen the movie?

[M-Tecs]

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Ghost_and_the_Darkness,_The#:~:text=The%20followin g%20weapons%20were%20used%20in%20the%20film,though %20the%20BSA%20was%20available%20in%20different%20 calibers.

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/02/18/guns-ghost-darkness/

[Electrod47]

Hollywood guns are sometimes highly modified to fire blanks etc. In highly accurate movies a real authentic piece can be in for close-ups. Then when being fired, it could be substituted with the modified rig. Such as a shorter bolt for the blanks etc. They try to keep things generic when it comes to ammo. Example several unrelated arms with several calibers firing one blank that fits all.
When I'm keen on something I want to see up close. I record everything and can freeze frame when I want a closer look.

[David2011]

I remember a discussion some years back that included an ejector rod housing on a double action revolver. The stuff they do in movies!

[Texas by God]

I remember reading that Patterson used a Lee Speed Sporting Rifle.....whatever that is.

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[GOPHER SLAYER]

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Ghost_and_the_Darkness,_The#:~:text=The%20followin g%20weapons%20were%20used%20in%20the%20film,though %20the%20BSA%20was%20available%20in%20different%20 calibers.

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/02/18/guns-ghost-darkness/

Thanks M-Tecs

[M-Tecs]

I remember reading that Patterson used a Lee Speed Sporting Rifle.....whatever that is.

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https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/lee-speed

[farmbif]

as a registered contributor to imfdb I try to be as accurate as possible when I contribute information about any guns I describe used in film, and I never try to provide information on something I'm not 100 percent sure of, but sometimes ive found mistakes that have been made on the site.
but it is probably the premier web site dedicated to guns and weapons in movies and tv
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page

[bedbugbilly]

It was never hard to figure out the pistols that the cowboys used to shoot in the westerns that we used to watch as kids as they chased the outlaws on horseback . . . Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy, Cisco Kid, etc. . . . . . they were all armed with those pistols that never had to be reloaded! :-)

[pworley1]

Many of the old western will have guns that are newer than the period the movie is set in.

[Finster101]

It was never hard to figure out the pistols that the cowboys used to shoot in the westerns that we used to watch as kids as they chased the outlaws on horseback . . . Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy, Cisco Kid, etc. . . . . . they were all armed with those pistols that never had to be reloaded! :-)

Ah, the Remington Reloadless. Not accurate on the model, but the name flows. [smilie=l:

[Mal Paso]

It was never hard to figure out the pistols that the cowboys used to shoot in the westerns that we used to watch as kids as they chased the outlaws on horseback . . . Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy, Cisco Kid, etc. . . . . . they were all armed with those pistols that never had to be reloaded! :-)

They could afford the big roll of caps!

[gwpercle]

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Ghost_and_the_Darkness,_The#:~:text=The%20followin g%20weapons%20were%20used%20in%20the%20film,though %20the%20BSA%20was%20available%20in%20different%20 calibers.

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/02/18/guns-ghost-darkness/

:goodpost:
These sites that M-Techs links to are excellant for finding out what firearms were used in a movie .
I saved them on computer and wrote them down on index card ...
So many movie guns , so many questions ...

THANK YOU M-Tech :drinks: Gary

[KCSO]

A Lee Speed in 303 for the first lion. This was a commercial hunting gun made on the SMLE pattern.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

If I were trying to kill a grown African male lion, I would use something a bit bigger than a .303. In his book, African Rifles and Cartridges, John Taylor said they are very tough to kill, and they can kill you even after being shot.

[waksupi]

It was never hard to figure out the pistols that the cowboys used to shoot in the westerns that we used to watch as kids as they chased the outlaws on horseback . . . Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy, Cisco Kid, etc. . . . . . they were all armed with those pistols that never had to be reloaded! :-)

Think about their camps. Bedrolls, fire irons, skillet, coffee pot. I want some of those saddle bags.

[elmacgyver0]

I only watch movies to be entertained, I never expect them to be accurate as to reality.
On the occasions I have, I was always disappointed.

[Beerd]

If I were trying to kill a grown African male lion, I would use something a bit bigger than a .303
especially a known man eater.


but hey, it's a movie.
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[M-Tecs]

especially a known man eater.


but hey, it's a movie.
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The movie is loosely based on actual events and the 303 is correct.

https://theultimatepredator-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theultimatepredator.com/john-henry-patterson-and-the-battle-with-the-tsavo-man-eaters/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=166095080675 90&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Although arguably a pair of history’s most fearsome predators, the Tsavo Man-Eaters were not the evil spirits many thought they were and they eventually met their fate at Patterson’s hand. But they didn’t go quietly or with ease. The first of the two man-eaters he killed by firing both barrels of his 12-gauge smooth-bore—loaded with slugs—into the lion’s shoulder. The second, though, took a great deal more to finish. “I accordingly waited until he got quite close—about 20 yards away—and then fired my .303 at his chest. I heard the bullet strike him, but unfortunately it had no knockdown effect, for with a fierce growl he turned and made off with great long bounds. Before he disappeared from sight, however, I managed to have three more shots at him from the magazine rifle, and another growl told me that the last of these had also taken effect.”

Pursuing, Patterson came face-to-face with the wounded cat. “I at once took careful aim and fired. Instantly he sprang out and made a most determined charge down on us. I fired again and knocked him over; but in a second he was up once more and coming for me as fast as he could in his crippled condition. A third shot had no apparent effect.” Scaling a tree, Patterson grabbed a Martini-Henry carbine from his gun-bearer and fired again, downing the cat. “Rather foolishly, I at once scrambled down from the tree and walked up towards him. To my surprise and no little alarm he jumped up and attempted another charge. This time, however, a Martini bullet in the chest and another in the head finished him for good and all; he dropped in his tracks not five yards away from me, and died gamely, biting savagely at a branch which had fallen to the ground.” When they examined the animal, they found no less than six rounds in it, including a slug Patterson had fired at it 10 days before

[Beerd]

I was trying to ID a firearm recently seen in a movie and thought of this old thread.
see Post #8 above.
thanks farmbif
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[WILCO]

Have you seen the movie?

Thanks for asking the question!
I learned a lot today.

[35 Rem]

You can read the whole story of the two lions from Colonel Patterson's book, "The Man-Eaters of Tsavo". It's a very short book but tells how a railroad engineer ended up hunting the lions. The Michael Douglas character didn't exist in the real story. I had the good fortune of seeing the lions in the Field Museum in Chicago about a dozen years ago where I also bought a copy of the book. They aren't what you would expect with the thick manes of a trophy lion but they were very capable of killing a LOT of railroad workers.

[Bigslug]

Val Kilmer's Lee-Speed from The Ghost & the Darkness is at the top of my "I WANT!" movie gun list.

I can forgive them fabricating Michael Douglas' character as it allowed them to verbalize the thoughts Patterson had while hunting alone for the audience. Where they REALLY screwed up was when they showed Kilmer sitting by the campfire loading that rifle with spitzer point MKVII ammo - which didn't exist for about another decade at that point - but A for effort.:lol:

Now if I can go afield with that over my shoulder and Brendan Fraser's Triple Lock Smith from The Mummy on my hip, I'll be set. . .

[10x]

Val Kilmer's Lee-Speed from The Ghost & the Darkness is at the top of my "I WANT!" movie gun list.

I can forgive them fabricating Michael Douglas' character as it allowed them to verbalize the thoughts Patterson had while hunting alone for the audience. Where they REALLY screwed up was when they showed Kilmer sitting by the campfire loading that rifle with spitzer point MKVII ammo - which didn't exist for about another decade at that point - but A for effort.:lol:

Now if I can go afield with that over my shoulder and Brendan Fraser's Triple Lock Smith from The Mummy on my hip, I'll be set. . .

According to wiki Brendon carries a colt in 45ACP which means it was modified from 455 webley and takes half moon clips
I have a 1917 colt in 455 as well as several 1917 triple lock S&W in 455. None have been modified for half moon clips. Thankfully

[waksupi]

https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page

All the guns in all the movies. ;o)

[Shawlerbrook]

Tom Selleck movies seem to be very correct historically as far as guns. I do believe like John Wayne he uses some of his own collection.