h110 for .223 ?

[Wolfdog91]

Anyone tried it ? Trying to do a reduced thing. 1300fps and kinda quiet would be great for shooting out my single shot at short distance, 50yd is plenty.Dont have anything in the Lyman book not buying powder for a few months so just playing what I have. Everything I had bout for cast .223 was with the intention of running them in my AR @2100-2500 fps .Got sent this on FB from a fella who said he had good luck with this load though. I'm running 55gr bullets. Should I use a filler since it's such a light charge? Can't image it would ignite properly without one.
Also have 748 but gezz that was some kind of a speed demon power out the AR.
If anything I'll just stick to my accurate 2015 for now and just deal with the extra cleaning
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[Krh1326]

I’m far from a very experienced reloader, so I’ve been trying to do everything by the book and legit. One thing that I have seen time and time again , is to never reduce H110. I was following one fella that was trying to develope a load for .300 blackout 230 gr… but still using H335.
I got curious and called Hodgdon, and actually got someone. Talked to them about that… then about using fillers and H110 , as I do have and use H110 for .357 mag and for 300 blackout.
His answer, from Hodgdon, was to never use fillers with it. He said that using Dacron or even cream of wheat, CAN cause big problems with variables such as humidity etc.

I don’t know if that is a standard response from Hodgdon, just to cover their butts…. Prolly….
But I don’t have the experience to thumb my nose at the “pros”

[Sig]

What Krh1326 said. Don't reduce H110/Win296.

[mehavey]

MegaDittos to above:
Do NOT reduce either H-110 or W296
It requires near fill case-fill

For one thing, Hodgdon doesn't even list it for 55gr/223 (to even reach barest min 80% fill would produce ~70,000psi loads)
For another, QL tells me 1,300fps out of a 20" barrel would require a load leaving more than 70% empty
-- if it ignited at all.

[wmitty]

When I first found this site I was experimenting with 296 in a .375 H & H. I was advised to not continue this by a number of members here. The load was astonishingly accurate but I took the advice of those more experienced. I still have my fingers and eyesight. I believe 296 and H 110 are very close to being the same powder.

[farmbif]

wondering what that photo of data is. kind of looks like an old Lyman manual. one thing to keep in mind is back in the days of using copper crusher for pressure testing it was no where near as accurate as the latest technology available.
wish I knew how to navigate searches better because years ago there were some huge threads on mouse phart loads that covers what your attempting.
I agree with others as to h110/296 loads are best used in the smallish loading range in magnum handgun loads.4895, 2400, unique, red dot and other powders are much better candidates for down loading

[megasupermagnum]

Well people use H110 for subsonic 300 blackout apparently. If it's all you have it is worth trying. Nothing bad will happen to you. Worst case is erratic ignition and possibly a bullet stuck in the barrel.

[Larry Gibson]

Wolfdog91

It takes a certain amount of psi for powders ignite and burn efficiently. More so with ball powders. That "start" load in Lyman manuals, even in the older early edition of CBH #3 that data came from, is where Lyman's testing indicated the H110 was igniting and beginning to burn efficiently.

Note the 13.7 gr velocity is way above the 1300 fps you desire. Dropping the charge of H110 below that will probably result in erratic performance and probably be "dirty". You will be much better served for your desired 50 yard, 1300 fps load using bullseye, Red Dot, 700X or similar fast burning flake powder.

[Super Sneaky Steve]

There's subsonic data out there (not with H110). I can't dig in my books right now but it's not too hard to find. I wanna say there's a recipe with Tightgroup out there.

[Kosh75287]

If you found data for H110 in .223 from a reputable manual, that's difficult to argue with. I won't, for a moment, say that the developers of said data aren't smarter than me, on the subject. They undoubtedly are.
Even so, I can't think of one other propellant I'd MORE prefer NOT TO USE in a reduced-performance load, than H110. It's the propellant of choice for .30 Carbine, and gives stellar results in all the original magnum revolver cartridges, not to mention many rounds that came after. But it works best at or near max loading density and highest safe chamber pressures.
Can you give us an idea of what other propellants you have on hand, that might be used?

ADDENDUM: H110/W296 CAN be reduced and worked up, but the recommended maximum reduction is 3% of maximum. For a max load calling for 20.0 gr./H110, that means the starting load is 19.4 gr. A margin of 0.6 gr. is a bit thin for MY sense of comfort.

[Wolfdog91]

Welp guess I'll keep that can of h110 for something else

[Milky Duck]

I think that would be wise young fella...VERY WISE indeed.

[Kosh75287]

Hey, H110 is FIRST RATE propellant for magnum pistol cartridges! Got a .357? Yer SET!
That picture of load data reminded me of using Red Dot powder in .223, with cast .22 caliber flat points. I settled on 6.2/Red Dot/56 gr. cast, and got 1-2" groups out to 80 yards (in a Mini-14, no less).
If you have Hodgdon H4895 (NOT the IMR-4895), you can reduce the maximum charge weight for the 55 gr. J-word load by multiplying it by 0.6 and use THAT weight of H4895 as a starting charge. Ask Hodgdon about other faster-burning rifle propellants that might work in the same way.

[megasupermagnum]

ADDENDUM: H110/W296 CAN be reduced and worked up, but the recommended maximum reduction is 3% of maximum. For a max load calling for 20.0 gr./H110, that means the starting load is 19.4 gr. A margin of 0.6 gr. is a bit thin for MY sense of comfort.

False.

[ACC]

I’m far from a very experienced reloader, so I’ve been trying to do everything by the book and legit. One thing that I have seen time and time again , is to never reduce H110. I was following one fella that was trying to develope a load for .300 blackout 230 gr… but still using H335.
I got curious and called Hodgdon, and actually got someone. Talked to them about that… then about using fillers and H110 , as I do have and use H110 for .357 mag and for 300 blackout.
His answer, from Hodgdon, was to never use fillers with it. He said that using Dacron or even cream of wheat, CAN cause big problems with variables such as humidity etc.

I don’t know if that is a standard response from Hodgdon, just to cover their butts…. Prolly….
But I don’t have the experience to thumb my nose at the “pros”

I have talked to them myself 3 years ago and they said the same thing. I tend to see Hodgdon as good folks.

ACC

[Milky Duck]

I have talked to them myself 3 years ago and they said the same thing. I tend to see Hodgdon as good folks.

ACC

have a look at the companies mission statement......... yip they are good folks.

[PositiveCaster]

If you found data for H110 in .223 from a reputable manual, that's difficult to argue with.…

Actually, it’s very easy to argue with - and to discount - obsolete data, which is the case in the OP’s photo. That was from Lyman #46 which was published in 1982. By #48 published in 2002 Lyman had removed that powder from their published data, see below. There are several reasons to do that, one being to allow room for newer powders - obviously not the case here.

Another is that it proved to be erratic under some conditions not encountered in the initial testing, such as with different powder orientation or at different temperatures. It may even have proven unsafe in those conditions. Bottom line, it pays not to use obsolete data.

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[murf205]

Wolfy, here is some data sent to me by a member here and for the life of me, I can't remember the source. It might have been from the American Rifleman but I'll bet some sharp eyed member here will recognize it. Look in the top of the pic for the 223 loads , IF you can find Unique.302589

[Milky Duck]

so...many years ago BEFORE I got my own reloading gear,I asked sports shop to make me up some loads for the .270w using a 110grn hp projectile and hoped to have a 3000fps velocity...not too hot just a mild load...well the yworked but sometimes would go ba-boom instead of boom...if I tipped barrel towards sky then lowered and fired no problem...so it was position of powder in case that was issue..that was using winchester 760 powder...fast forward 20 years and I made up same type of load myself without issues...and did so again recently... so it begs question ...was origonal loading somehow wrong?? were his primers milder with less flame???
bottom line for me is whe na powder manufacturer/retailer says DO NOT reduce loads...and that same advice is in just about every loading manual...well I will tend to think there is a golly good reason for it.

[The Dar]

Welp guess I'll keep that can of h110 for something else

Invest in a 44 Magnum.

[Texas by God]

H110/W296 is all I use in .30Carbine and .300BO; and the upper level .41 magnum jacketed bullet loads.

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[jaysouth]

Using your data source, stick to red dot or green dot.

[stubshaft]

Have you thought about trying Trailboss?

[Thumbcocker]

I would look real hard at red dot/promo for the loads you want.

[405grain]

H110 is excellent for steep loads in both 357 and 44 magnum. I agree with others here that a fast pistol powder like unique, red dot, green dot, etc. would be better for your application. These double based pistol powders do not require a filler and are usually not too position sensitive. Once you get up to slower powders like blue dot or H110/296, you'll need to use enough powder to develop enough pressure to get good ignition, and this will increase the velocity above what you're looking for. If you try using slower powders for reduced loads you'll end up blowing a lot of unburned powder out the muzzle, and your velocity spread (and accuracy) could be all over the map.

[44Blam]

I've messed up brass using loads of W296 that were below 90% case fill with "published" loads. But, 223/556 at subsonic speeds - why not shoot 22lr instead? CMMG makes an adapter for your AR.

[MT Gianni]

I really like H110/WW296 in the 22 Hornet. There is a ton of published data. I would never shoot it in 222 or 223, but I do wonder if it was all I had and could somehow make the case volume the same as the hornet what might happen.

[jsizemore]

Welp guess I'll keep that can of h110 for something else

Works real good in 410 loads.