"Miracle" cure for arthritis?

[Idaho45guy]

Posting this here for those of us who suffer from arthritis and other inflammation related afflictions.

I'm only 53, but I have had joint pain ever since I came home from Desert Storm. Totally unrelated per the VA...

I had knee surgery a couple of months ago for a torn meniscus in my left knee. Doc said I had bad arthritis, torn meniscus, and destroyed cartilage.

Had the surgery and it made everything worse. After two months of limping, my right knee started hurting as bad as the left one.

Doc said I had bad arthritis in it and likely degraded cartilage and will need surgery on it soon.

My dad mentioned that his best friend had damaged his knee 3-4 years ago with a torn meniscus. He's 82 years old.

But, his friend used DMSO on it and said it was completely better within a day, and after a couple of applications, it was back to normal within a couple of days and hasn't been a problem since.

I remember that he had been on a DMSO kick a few years ago and my mom gave me a bottle of it back then to use.

Totally forgot about it.

Found the bottle in the back of the medicine cabinet last week and decided to try it. It's a roll-on applicator...

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Within a day or two, my left knee felt much better, and my right knee was totally pain free.

I could not believe it! I did daily treatments for over a week and while the left knee still has pain (no cartilage and it is bone on bone) the right knee is completely good as new.

I did some internet searching and this stuff is the real deal. It has a fascinating history and was discovered by mistake as a treatment for arthritis and inflammation.

https://www.dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm

Just thought I would pass the info along as I was amazed at how quickly it healed my arthritis.

[Sasquatch-1]

Thanks for the tip. I have been suffering quite a bit over the past 6 months or so with hip pain. I was told it was moderate arthritis. I may give this a try.

[GhostHawk]

Just ordered some for Neurapathy for my wifes bad leg. Will post results.

[sharps4590]

Really? Goodness, my horse vet told me about DMSO 40 years ago.

You aren't healed, your pain is masked.

[GL49]

Is the garlic smell/taste that's supposed to happen a real problem? When I first started working in sawmills the lumber grader used it for arthritis in his hands, I never did hear him complain about a garlic side effect.

[Hossfly]

Been using DMSO for quite a while working with horses, mixing with different liniments for there joint pain. It’s a solvent, very powerful solvent. Will burn you if you get it into a tender area. It will carry what ever it touches into your body. You get that garlic taste if you apply too much at once. Must wear gloves when handled. Will solidify below about 70’ F.

[kaiser]

My Dad used it for at least 30 years. He obtained it from a doctor who was a Veterinarian before he became an MD. He always cautioned him not to take too much or he'd be prone to "whinny" (he had a sense of humor). It's a Steroid that many athletes have used to get through the pain of over exertion. It does give you "oyster breath" upon topical application to any area of the skin.
I'll take "masking" the pain over surgery any day when neither completely cures Arthritis. Of course, I have to use a lot of mouth wash to mask the bad breath - there's never a "free lunch" with any medication. I've not seen it labeled with an easy to use applicator (thanks Idaho).

[sparky45]

"Really? Goodness, my horse vet told me about DMSO 40 years ago.

You aren't healed, your pain is masked."

Sharps 4590 is dead on.
BTW, the more the "pain" is masked, the more joint damage that can occur.

This stuff should never have made it on the market, another Foul Up by the FDA. FDA should stand for Federal Death Agency.

[trebor44]

DMSO vs CBD, inquiring minds want to know?

[MrWolf]

Another option is taking collagen (types 1,2, and 3 combined in one pill) along with glucosamine chondroitin. My late Uncle had me try it after I told him about my left knee. Had mri and such as I could barely bend it and get up. Doc said really bad arthritis. Started taking the combo and about a week or so noticed a huge improvement. That was about 4+ years ago. I can still get it to "pop" and get relief when it stiffens up. This worked for me. No idea if it will work for you.

[waksupi]

CBD works better. DMSO is a driving agent, that will make deeper penetration of liniments. Use the wrong combination and you will wish you never heard of it.

[sharps4590]

My wife has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over 30 years and was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis. They're both beginning to really take their toll on her body. Over those 30+ years we've both learned a heck of a lot more about joint pain, joint damage and deterioration, pain relievers and their effects than either of us ever wanted to know. Her only recourse now is a cancer chemo drug, Retuxence, that is given as an infusion. I had 6 months of chemo and I believe hers is worse and she only takes it once every 6 months. Sooo..use the DMSO but don't think for a moment you're curing anything, you aren't. The long term effects are not good.

Lots of folks have good results with collagen and glucosamine/chondroitan. Unfortunately I wasn't one of them. CBD didn't do me any good either. I need a back surgery now but so far a steroid shot in my L-1 vert. is keeping it at bay. All I'm doing is prolonging the inevitable.

[MrWolf]

My wife has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over 30 years and was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis. They're both beginning to really take their toll on her body. Over those 30+ years we've both learned a heck of a lot more about joint pain, joint damage and deterioration, pain relievers and their effects than either of us ever wanted to know. Her only recourse now is a cancer chemo drug, Retuxence, that is given as an infusion. I had 6 months of chemo and I believe hers is worse and she only takes it once every 6 months. Sooo..use the DMSO but don't think for a moment you're curing anything, you aren't. The long term effects are not good.

Lots of folks have good results with collagen and glucosamine/chondroitan. Unfortunately I wasn't one of them. CBD didn't do me any good either. I need a back surgery now but so far a steroid shot in my L-1 vert. is keeping it at bay. All I'm doing is prolonging the inevitable.

Best of luck with the back surgery and your wife. I had L4-5 cleaned out and fused. They got me walking better again. Begged them to take care of my S issues, never mind all the rest of my back/neck but surgeon won't touch it. Looking at burning nerves next as final option. I had to beg surgeon the first time as my chances were 50/50 it would work. Guess he finally figured my odds were good enough vs my constant requests.

[Winger Ed.]

Another option is taking collagen (types 1,2, and 3 combined in one pill) along with glucosamine chondroitin.

I first heard about that when I had a rottweiler that had real bad back & hip problems when he got old.
It gave him a new lease on life.

I've been taking the people version for several years and at 67, my joints are like guys MUCH younger than myself.
A little stiffness in the morning, but nothing like that 'it hurts all the time' some people have.

[BNE]

How does it compare to Blue Emu or Voltarin?

[DocSavage]

I'd be very carefull with DMSO I seem to remember its use was linked to liver cancer.
60 Min had a segment on DMSO ages ago and years later had another segment on people who used it were diagnosed with cancer.

[Idaho45guy]

I'd be very carefull with DMSO I seem to remember its use was linked to liver cancer.
60 Min had a segment on DMSO ages ago and years later had another segment on people who used it were diagnosed with cancer.

I did a search on the internet and could find nothing about it causing cancer. I did find several articles about it being used to treat cancer, and to treat liver issues.

All I know is that I used it a few times on an arthritic knee and it no longer hurts.

[abunaitoo]

I remember back in the 60's or 70's it was popular here.
Never tried it back then.
Now that I'm old, I did try it for my pain.
It didn't work for me.
One thing that I did find that works, sometimes, is 125 Absorbine Veternary Liniment.
It's for horses.
Apply it to the area, and cover in a heating pad.
Works for me anyway.

[Scrounge]

Best of luck with the back surgery and your wife. I had L4-5 cleaned out and fused. They got me walking better again. Begged them to take care of my S issues, never mind all the rest of my back/neck but surgeon won't touch it. Looking at burning nerves next as final option. I had to beg surgeon the first time as my chances were 50/50 it would work. Guess he finally figured my odds were good enough vs my constant requests.

Burning the nerves works for a while. Short while, in my case. Maybe a little longer than steroid injections, but not a great deal longer. Worth a try, anyway.

The only thing that cures arthritis is death. I'm not in any hurry for that, so keep trying the steroids and such. I've had arthritis in the hands since age 17, in the knees since age 19, and over a dozen years ago was told that my back looked like that of an 80yo man. I'm only 67 now. Since there is no good cure, the only thing you can do is push off the day of reckoning as long as you can. YMMV, but maybe not by much! ;)

I'm also a Desert Storm veteran, though REMF. Was in Riyadh, KSA, with my unit running the air war. Saw something that said the VA was accepting claims for muscle and joint pain recently in the VA email I get every month or so.

Bill

[Scrounge]

I remember back in the 60's or 70's it was popular here.
Never tried it back then.
Now that I'm old, I did try it for my pain.
It didn't work for me.
One thing that I did find that works, sometimes, is 125 Absorbine Veternary Liniment.
It's for horses.
Apply it to the area, and cover in a heating pad.
Works for me anyway.

Bigeloil is what a physical therapist recommended when he was doing home visits after my 1st hip replacement, in 2009. The spellchecker here didn't like the spelling so I asked my Brave browser to search on it, and found that it's a Absorbine product. I like it, and it, like everything else, helps, but isn't a cure. It's not terribly expensive, and it's pretty easily available. I buy mine at Lumber II, but any decent feed store or lumber yard that supports farmers and ranchers should have it. You can order off Amazon, too.

Bill

[GhostHawk]

Well we treated my wifes leg that has the Neurapathy this afternoon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VEVCCRI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Used a small dose spread up and down her left thigh.

She complained that it hurt so I used some aspercreme pain relief roll-on over the top.

Half an hour later the leg was much better.

[Pepe le PewPew]

Pure DMSO doesn’t smell like garlic nor put that taste in your mouth. Thin all DMSO at least 1/1 with distilled water or you can get some skin burns. Make sure skin is scrubbed CLEAN before use of anything, whether lotion, oils, whatever or it WILL carry it into your cells and bloodstream. As far as being safe? If pure it’s safe. It’s used to preserve organs for transplants, and for some conditions they’ve used it in IVs. I have CRPS and also have had multiple back surgeries, and 10 RF nerve ablations. I learned that DMSO is safe when pure and used properly from one of my doctors that was head of department at Stanford, and who helped me with issues other docs failed at. I trust him. As far as the “burning nerves” aka RF nerve ablation? If it works it’s usually temporary.

[Idaho45guy]

Pure DMSO doesn’t smell like garlic nor put that taste in your mouth. Thin all DMSO at least 1/1 with distilled water or you can get some skin burns. Make sure skin is scrubbed CLEAN before use of anything, whether lotion, oils, whatever or it WILL carry it into your cells and bloodstream. As far as being safe? If pure it’s safe. It’s used to preserve organs for transplants, and for some conditions they’ve used it in IVs. I have CRPS and also have had multiple back surgeries, and 10 RF nerve ablations. I learned that DMSO is safe when pure and used properly from one of my doctors that was head of department at Stanford, and who helped me with issues other docs failed at. I trust him.

I have the pure stuff and have never experienced any ill side effects.

[Daekar]

You want to fix arthritis, which is really an inflammatory disease, go keto. One of the many side benefits is decreased systemic inflammation and decreased autoimmune dysfunction.

[abunaitoo]

What is keto????

[JimB..]

What is keto????

High protein, high fat, low carb diet

[Kosh75287]

Using DMSO frequently has a tendency to elevate your liver enzymes, so be careful with it.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Well we treated my wifes leg that has the Neurapathy this afternoon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VEVCCRI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Used a small dose spread up and down her left thigh.

She complained that it hurt so I used some aspercreme pain relief roll-on over the top.

Half an hour later the leg was much better.
You have me interested, as I have some peripheral neuropathy in my Feet, just as my Dad had.
The product (NerVEX) in your link has MSM instead of DMSO, they are related but not identical. I wonder if MSM is less likely to have the odor problem?
Also, the NerVEX has "high dose" of Capsaicin, that could cause some burning pain when applied.

So anyway, I got gutsy and ordered a 70/30 DMSO/Aloe product for my feet. The skin area of the neuropathy is quite sensitive, so I think the Aloe would be the better way for me. I may also try it on my shoulder for joint pain.

[popper]

DMSO by itself does nothing to heal. Used in nicotine patches, etc to get any real med through the skin. Arthritis is calcification of bones in the joints. Cartilage problems (collagen/jello and glucosamine/chondroitin ) is due to reduced fluid inside the cartilage. Usual problem is torn cartilage and rooster injections don't last long. Supposedly a new 'filler' is being tested that lasts longer.

[Idaho45guy]

DMSO by itself does nothing to heal.

https://borntobeboomers.com/what-is-dmso-and-11-great-ways-to-use-it/

It is widely used to replace sulfur in the human body. It is also used as a pain remedy. DMSO loves to eat up the free radicals in your body that cause inflammation. Rather than masking the pain, DMSO actually reduces inflammation and prevents free radical damage.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3916302/

Dermal application of DMSO seems to provide rapid, temporary, relief of pain in patients with arthritis and connective tissue injuries.

https://www.dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm


DMSO perhaps has been used most widely as a topical analgesic, in a 70 percent DMSO, 30 percent water solution. Laboratory studies suggest that DMSO cuts pain by blocking peripheral nerve C fibers.3 Several clinical trials have demonstrated its effectiveness,4,5 although in one trial, no benefit was found.6 Burns, cuts, and sprains have been treated with DMSO. Relief is reported to be almost immediate, lasting up to 6 hours. A number of sports teams and Olympic athletes have used DMSO, although some have since moved on to other treatment modalities. When administration ceases, so do the effects of the drug.

Dr. Jacob said at a hearing of the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Health in 1980, "DMSO is one of the few agents in which effectiveness can be demonstrated before the eyes of the observers....If we have patients appear before the Committee with edematous sprained ankles, the application of DMSO would be followed by objective diminution of swelling within an hour. No other therapeutic modality will do this."

[Idaho45guy]

Woke up this morning and my right shoulder was bugging me. If I sleep on my right side, the shoulder will get stiff and painful. I have an old Army injury to that shoulder and it acts up before a storm and if I abuse the shoulder at all.

It's been acting up the last couple of weeks and just ignored it. Then I thought, I should try the DMSO. So, rolled on some and waited. Pain was gone within a few minutes, but I got a mild rash in the area. Now, three hours later, the pain is still mostly gone, but slowly returning.

So, it worked, but it caused a reaction and wasn't as long-lasting as the knee, which is still pain-free.

I have an appointment with my surgeon Wednesday, so I'll discuss it with him then.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I received the 70/30 DMSO/Aloe product last week. I've been using it on my right foot and right shoulder. I am impressed. The numb feeling in my foot usually gets worse as the day goes by (and swelling grows)...That feeling is greatly lessened. It helps with the shoulder joint pain as well, not 100%, but it allows me to skip/reduce pain med usage.
I wasn't impressed with the roll-on applicator, as it's difficult, but realized that's a good thing, so I don't apply too much. If I put too much on, I do get a bit of a burning sensation for 10 to 20 minutes.

[Idaho45guy]

I went to my appointment with the surgeon, and I think it may be time to go somewhere else.

I told him that my left knee is still in nearly constant pain, but the right knee, after applying the DMSO a couple of times, has been pain free for weeks.

He asked me what DMSO was. I explained it to him and he took out his phone and did a search for it. He raised his eyebrows, and said that he will have to do some more research, since my right knee seems to have greatly reduced arthritis in it.

Then, he said he recommended a steroid shot in the left knee and asked if I was afraid of needles. Nope. Gave blood last week at work.

So he rolls up my pants leg, swabs some numbing agent on my knee, then 5 seconds later, starts inserting a needle.

Horrible, horrible pain! He says he needs to get a fluid sample first.

Then, I experience pain so intense, that I started to black out. I hear him say "Sorry! Sorry! I hit the bone!", as my vision started to tunnel and get blurry.

Thankfully, I did not pass out, and he got the fluid sample and said it looked great. Then he went back in with the steroids and by then, the numbing agent started to kick in and the procedure was done with no further drama.

The guy is a very young doctor with a degree from Bringham Young University.

My knee felt great for a couple of hours, then the numbing agent wore off and it was sore where the bone was jabbed. And it started hurting again as normal.

But, he took me off light duty, so I have been working on my feet at work on hard concrete since Monday and now my knee feels as bad as it did before all this started last November.

Even my right knee, which the DMSO seemed to have cured, started aching yesterday after work.

But, I gave it a quick swab of the DMSO and it felt great within minutes and was pain free throughout my 9-hour shift.

[redriverhunter]

I have to say I was surprised by DMSO as well. I used it first because my right knee has been giving me fits. The DMSO had no effect on my knee. What is interesting is tiger balm burns for about 30 then is mostly pain free. My feet hurt so bad at the end of the day that some nights its hard to sleep because of the pain. The other night I laid in bed feeling my feet with a throbbing pain, I thought to my self I got that DMSO why not try it the pain in my feet went away all I can say is wow. thanks for the tip on DMSO.

[dverna]

I ordered a jar of 70% DSMO and 30% Aloe. Less than $20 and worth a shot.

[hiram]

I gave my Dad a bottle of DMSO before 1986. I think some people questioned its safety. This is 36 years ago.

https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-dmso

[jaysouth]

Since the OP, I ordered 99% pure DMSO from amazon and started using it yesterday for nerve damage that causes pain in my ankle and foot. After 3 applications, my pain has been cut in half. I slept the whole night last night. I will keep you posted.

[Idaho45guy]

Since the OP, I ordered 99% pure DMSO from amazon and started using it yesterday for nerve damage that causes pain in my ankle and foot. After 3 applications, my pain has been cut in half. I slept the whole night last night. I will keep you posted.

That is awesome!

After nearly 2 weeks being off of light duty and back on my feet working, the left knee with the surgery is still the same, but the right knee with just arthritis and being treated with DMSO is again pain free.

[GhostHawk]

Well my wife is normally extremely sensitive to anything spicy hot like Capsaicin but the nervex caused no problems.

Overall I think it is helping. Untreated the muscles of her left thigh cramp and tighten up. We also just bought a new massage tool that does deep muscle punch massage. Between the 2 she is walking better.

[MostlyLeverGuns]

DMSO can be harmful. I have used it on a severely swollen leg after a horse fall, doc said 6-8 week, but DMSO got the swelling down in a couple days. That was 40 years ago. Also used on horses first. It can carry toxic materials through the skin and into the blood stream. I've heard stories about assassins using DMSO mixed with poison to simply wipe on skin to kill. I would not use DMSO on horses or people today. BE CAREFUL with it!