Reloading the 5.7x28

[Rafsob]

I am thinking of reloading the 5.7x28 round and am having a problem finding any info. If anyone is reloading this cartridge please point me in the right direction.

Thanks.

[45 2.1]

If I remember correctly, the Lyman #49 manual has reloading data for this cartridge in it. Cute little round it is to.

Checked it last night and it does, its in the pistol section and has data for jacketed 35 gr., 40 gr. and 45 gr. bullets.

[Rafsob]

Thanks .45 I will check it out.

[wiljen]

Accurate Arms latest freebie download has loads for the 5.7 in it.

[testhop]

this round should be an ideal replacementfor the 22 hornetwould like to see someone come out in a bolt gun be blast to play with

[Bullshop]

The neck is too short for boolits. If it cant shoot boolits it wont never replace the hornet. Long live the hornet!
BIC/BS

[wonderwolf]

this round should be an ideal replacementfor the 22 hornetwould like to see someone come out in a bolt gun be blast to play with

A bolt action that takes the 50 Round magazines...or just the pistol magazines :grin:

[dk17hmr]

I would like to see it in a Savage 40, single shot bolt action.

There is a company making an AR-15 upper for it that uses the 50 round mags from the FNH P90, it ejects spent cases out the lowers magwell. You could take the guts out of a 30 round 5.56 mag and have a brass catcher. That sure would be a fun P-dog shooter.

[JohnSmiles]

I think it would be ideal to neck down to .17 myself.
Put well above the 17 rimfire stats, and well below the 4,000 17 remington.
Plus cheaper to reload than to buy 17 rimfire.
Just a stray thought.


In fact, I think I saw some load data somewhere for a 17x28, now that I think back on it.

[wonderwolf]

I would like to see it in a Savage 40, single shot bolt action.

There is a company making an AR-15 upper for it that uses the 50 round mags from the FNH P90, it ejects spent cases out the lowers magwell. You could take the guts out of a 30 round 5.56 mag and have a brass catcher. That sure would be a fun P-dog shooter.

I have seen those uppers...they don't look half bad, A friend and I had the idea for those when we saw the P90 come out..too bad we didn't patent it :(.... I do like the idea of the brass catcher!

[madsenshooter]

Try the Guns & Ammo website, I had one of their magazines with load data, can't find it right now to tell you what month it was, or remember enough of the article to tell you what powders. Ha, found the durned thing, June 2008. Interestingly they built a rifle and tested it in both rifle and pistol actions. PM me and I'll scan the article and send it to you. Velocites ran from 300-650fps faster in the 22 inch barrel. HS-6, Win 231, Ramshot True Blue, Hodgon Lil Gun and Alliant Power pistol were some of the powders used. I tried to get IMI to see the sense of a 22/357 for the Desert Eagle when this body armor defeating cartridge first came out, must've been over their heads.

[panzermk2]

I came across this post while late night surfing looking for holes in the bottom of Shiner Bock bottles.

Short intro,
My name is Jay Wolf and I am president of Elite Ammunition.

We are the only source for 5.7x28 ammunition other then FN. We also have a line of reloading products for the 5.7x28 that you cannot find anywhere else.

As part of our support for the 5.7x28 we will be bringing to market a CD based loading manual. Besides data it will provide short vids on how to setup your Dillon press with our custom shellplate and how to process the brass including trimming.

I can provide a link to a forum dedicated to the 5.7x28 and a link to our website with moderator/forum owner approval.

[StarMetal]

Be wary of the 5.7x28.

The 5.7 uses a barrel with a groove of 0.2218". The 5.56 uses a barrel with a groove of 0.224". So, if you load bullets of 224" dia into a 224 barrel, you are ok. If you use them in a .2218, then it is a tight squeeze. The 5.7 bullet is gonna rattle down a 224 barrel.

This come from my personal friend that runs the Atlanta Lothar Walther factory.

You could have a pressure problem using FN's firearms for this round if you reload the fatter .224 bullets. Dang thing sounds like the old smaller bore 22 Hornet. Might be better to load the .223 bullets if you have a FN firearm.

Joe

[sheepdog]

Yum, love me some Shiner Bock.

What projectile does the 5.7 shoot?

[Rafsob]

I can provide a link to a forum dedicated to the 5.7x28 and a link to our website with moderator/forum owner approval.

Thank you, I would appreciate it Jay.

[wonderwolf]

Be wary of the 5.7x28.

The 5.7 uses a barrel with a groove of 0.2218". The 5.56 uses a barrel with a groove of 0.224". So, if you load bullets of 224" dia into a 224 barrel, you are ok. If you use them in a .2218, then it is a tight squeeze. The 5.7 bullet is gonna rattle down a 224 barrel.

This come from my personal friend that runs the Atlanta Lothar Walther factory.

You could have a pressure problem using FN's firearms for this round if you reload the fatter .224 bullets. Dang thing sounds like the old smaller bore 22 Hornet. Might be better to load the .223 bullets if you have a FN firearm.

Joe

Everything I've checked says it uses the .224" bullet......
http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/5.7x28%20FN%20vs%20Accurate%20only.pdf So perhaps the .2218" dimension isn't for groove diameter but lands? but even that seems off.

[StarMetal]

Everything I've checked says it uses the .224" bullet......
http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/5.7x28%20FN%20vs%20Accurate%20only.pdf So perhaps the .2218" dimension isn't for groove diameter but lands? but even that seems off.

Have you talked to FN? Have you pulled down FN ammo and miked the bullet?

I don't own either, but will talk to my LW friend and see what else he has to add.

Just for thought many have reloaded for their small bore original 22 Hornets with the fatter .224 bullets. I would think an adjustment in powder charge was made.

Joe

[StarMetal]

Okay...here's what I got. The groove diameter is 5.62mm which is .221259843 inch, the bore diameter is 5.53mm which is .217716535, the land width is 1.63mm which is .0641732283. The rifling twist is 228.6mm which is 1 in 9. FN claims they load it with a 5.69 bullet which is .224.

Joe

[mainiac]

The neck is too short for boolits. If it cant shoot boolits it wont never replace the hornet. Long live the hornet!
BIC/BS

From a hornet fan,,,,,,,,,,,,AMEN, bullshop!!!!!!!!!

[DLCTEX]

The only brass we have is Berden primed steel cases and even the .223 jacketed for the old Hornet appears too large. We just shoot with the military ammo. I really haven't shot it yet, but my son has fired it a lot. He recently acquired a 2000 round tin of ammo.
Check that. What we have is a 5.45X39. Different critter.

[wonderwolf]

Have you talked to FN? Have you pulled down FN ammo and miked the bullet?

I don't own either, but will talk to my LW friend and see what else he has to add.

Just for thought many have reloaded for their small bore original 22 Hornets with the fatter .224 bullets. I would think an adjustment in powder charge was made.

Joe

Nope I have not talked to them and I have no live 5.7x28 ammo around to mic. I'm just going on what the common joe has to rely on for his data. We can't all be insiders. I don't see why they would put that out there if it was not safe to practice and true. That being said you've peeked my curiosity as to the dimensions of our AR type rifle barrels. I wonder what the tolerances of those are.

[StarMetal]

Nope I have not talked to them and I have no live 5.7x28 ammo around to mic. I'm just going on what the common joe has to rely on for his data. We can't all be insiders. I don't see why they would put that out there if it was not safe to practice and true. That being said you've peeked my curiosity as to the dimensions of our AR type rifle barrels. I wonder what the tolerances of those are.

I believe the AR15 barrels are .224 groove.

Joe

[panzermk2]

StarMetal
The 5.7x28 uses .224 bullets NOT .223.

Here is a link to our website. Our line of 5.7x28 greatly exceeds that of the three common rounds FN sells to the public.

Factory 5.7x28 primarily sold are as follows
SS192
SS195
SS197 and SS196 the 196 is just an older loading and version of the SS1297. 96 has a red tip and 197 blue. The 196 is about 110fps slower though.

SS195 is the same exact round as the SS192 with only a lead free primer. Again they are the same except for the primer. Lately ass clowns on GB have been selling the SS192 as the banned for public sale AP round and hosing people on prices.

All of the other rounds FN makes are scarce as hens teeth and collectors pay big bucks for them.

Our line includes everything from HP to FMJ to Barnse TSX to Varmint Grenades to tracers to sub sonic tailored to your barrel length.

The link to the 5.7 forum can be found on our website. As I am new here and not a forum sponsor i don't want to step on any toes.

Mods if anything I have posted has crossed the line please edit it out no hard feelings.



http://www.eliteammunition.com

[zuke]

I just tried your link , and it doesn't go anywhere.

Can you re-post it?

[Rafsob]

I just tried your link , and it doesn't go anywhere.

Can you re-post it?

I tried every combination of this site and got nothing. Could you try again.

[EOD3]

Did you try spelling ammunition correctly? [smilie=s:

As I understand it, the 5.7 has "generous" head space and stretches the case pretty good.

[panzermk2]

I tried every combination of this site and got nothing. Could you try again.

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Did you try spelling ammunition correctly? [smilie=s:

As I understand it, the 5.7 has "generous" head space and stretches the case pretty good.

Not at all.

Both the pistol and carbine are blow back operated. The cartridge does not conform to the chamber. The chamber is actually almost straight with a squared off shoulder inside.

The shoulder moves because of the blow back operation causing the case to stretch. If you don't move the case shoulder back during reloading it won't chamber.

[mtnman31]

I'll start by saying that I know nothing about this round. How much difference is there between the 5.7x28 and the old 5.7 MMJ (.22 Spitfire)? Differences in pressures and velocities etc? From what little I know about it, the 5.7MMJ (wildcat) was a 30 carbine case necked down to shoot a 22 cal bullet. The barrels available at the time had a twist that wouldn't really stabilize a bullet over about 45 grains. Anyway, aesthetically, the two rounds look similar.

Someone please educate me.

[panzermk2]

There is some likeness between the two.



Primarily the 5.728 is to replace the 9mm NOT the M-16/M-4. It is a PDW platform, a modern version of the 30 carbine.


In the form of the P90/PS90 it' gives a pilot or truck driver more fire power strapped to him. Chopper pilots have to carry their M-4 in a tail boom and can never get to it after a crash landing or getting shot down.


Here is minor break down of our 5.7x28 product line. No one else other then FN and Elite produces 5.7x28.


Elite Ammunition Muzzle velocity from the USG/IOM Pistol 5 inch barrel :
|------FiveseveN Pistol----|



PenetraTOR Tac-Op 1,700fps
ProtecTOR Personal Defense 2450 fps 2,400 fps
VarminaTOR 2,100 fps
QuieTOR Subsonic 1,000fps
IlluminaTOR Tracer 1,700fps
X-TerminaTOR 1,900 fps






Elite Ammunition Projectile type/ weight /behavior:
PenetraTOR Tac-Op…………………………………….55-grain FMJ round

ProtecTOR Personal Defense…………………………40gr Hornady V-Max Fragments

VarminaTOR……………………………………………... 36grBarnes Varmint Grenade expands dramatically small fragments

QuieTOR Subsonic……………………………………… 55-grain FMJ round

IlluminaTOR Tracer……………………………………. 55-grain FMJ round Tracer

X-TerminaTOR……………………………………………45gr Barnes TSX Expands with 95% weight retention

[C A Plater]

I actually have some ammo. FN Standard Round with a copper hollow point and the Blue tipped with Hornady bullets. Both have diameters of .224" and the FN seems to be hotter but I have not chronographed the two rounds. I shoot them in a T/C Contender barrel and the only advantage I see in the T/C over the Hornet is the faster twist barrel (1-10 vs 1-14 or 16) to stabilize heavier bullets. The hornet has more case capacity and I've driven a 30 grain pill to 3000 fps in a CZ-527 and the 5.7 is just not going to get there. It will however take a 55 grain FMJ subsonic load and get decent accuracy. YMMV.

[panzermk2]

I actually have some ammo. FN Standard Round with a copper hollow point and the Blue tipped with Hornady bullets. Both have diameters of .224" and the FN seems to be hotter but I have not chronographed the two rounds.

SS195 and SS197. ALL of our ammunition is at least 35% more powerful the factory FN.

SS195 -----(2100 fps)-----
NEW SS195-(1970.5)-------
SS196 -----(1550 fps)-----
SS197 -----(1675 fps)-----




I shoot them in a T/C Contender barrel and the only advantage I see in the T/C over the Hornet is the faster twist barrel (1-10 vs 1-14 or 16) to stabilize heavier bullets. The hornet has more case capacity and I've driven a 30 grain pill to 3000 fps in a CZ-527 and the 5.7 is just not going to get there. It will however take a 55 grain FMJ subsonic load and get decent accuracy. YMMV.


Whats the barrel length of you TC? This round was never meant to be a varmint round from a TC. If I wanted a TC to varmint the 22-250 is vastly better then the hornet.

We normally drive the 5.7 well over 3000fps from the PS90.

Can your TC carry 20 rounds in pistol form and 50 in rifle? Nope:razz:

How heavy is you TC? A single shot break action would not bode well in a firefight.

USG/IOM Pistol Specifications

Weight Empty.................. 1.4 lbs.
Weight Loaded................ 1.6 lbs.
Height.............................. 5.4 in.
Barrel Length................... 4.8 in.
O/A Length....................... 8.2 in.
Sight Radius..................... 6.9 in.
Max Gun Width................. 1.4 in.
Max Grip Thickness........... 1.2 in.
Max Grip Circumference.... 6.0 in.
Trigger Pull....................... 5.5 lbs.
Trigger Span..................... 2.9 in.

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[C A Plater]

Thank-you the master of all shooting to inform this ignorant one. What! I cannot use the T/C in a fire fight! Mercy me I must rethink my self defense strategy. I stand in complete awe of your profound brilliance. You should run for president.

[panzermk2]

Anytime you need it since you have issues understanding what the 5.7x28 is and isn't.

[Rafsob]

Now, now boys!!! Play nice or BHO will take all your guns away. ;)

[wonderwolf]

I wanna plug a ground hog with one of those 5.7 pistols...hehe

How much does the 5.7 brass run these days?

[panzermk2]

There is no commercial source for virgin brass.

We are working on our own line of brass but we are a small company and it will be at least 6 months before we can sell to the public.

These were shot with a PS90 thatt has been SBR to P90 length. 10.5 inch barrel.

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[50calshooter]

The case dosn't last long.

[panzermk2]

We have over 10x fired brass. The important thing to keep in mind is not to remove the coating on the brass.

When cleaning 5.7x28 brass it's best to use a mix of 1 part Simple Green to 3 parts water. Wet tumble for about 5 minutes, rinse and air dry. Oven if you in a hurry but not hotter then 175

[lisa_wolf]

My name is Lisa & I am panzermk2's (Jay) wife of Elite Ammunition and we are officially a Vendor Sponsor now :bigsmyl2: