Goex Clear Shot

[jim 44-40]

Shot 50 cal today with Goex Clear Shot FFg, had to laugh when I squeezed the trigger. 1000-1
1000-2,1000-3 Boom! Guess it isn't the best choice for hunting,but it was a free can of powder.Only using it a CVA Bobcat, saving the good stuff for my TC Hawkins

[LAGS]

Did that happen on only one shot.
Or was it a consistant issue ?

[jim 44-40]

Did that happen on only one shot.
Or was it a consistant issue ?

It fired with a delayed reaction every time I shot.Tryed different caps, didn't matter. Kind of hard to explain the smell this powder puts off.But I shot 30 times and every patched round ball loaded smooth and accuracy was not to bad.
Maybe 1000-3 was pushing it time wise,but it was quite different than any other blackpowder I've used

[HWooldridge]

Wonder if you could mix it with regular BP and get it to light faster?

[LAGS]

Just for safety,
I would stay away from using it as is.
But the suggestion to mix it with other powder is doable.
Or just make fireworks out of it.

[jim 44-40]

Just for safety,
I would stay away from using it as is.
But the suggestion to mix it with other powder is doable.
Or just make fireworks out of it.

Ya, sounds like a big firecracker in the works!

[Larry Gibson]

That powder works best in "inlines" with 209 primers. Side locks just don't get the flame to powder as well. I've still got a can and a half myself found in my side lock TC Blk Mtn Magnum that a small amount of BP (3 - 5 gr) into the barrel first acting as an "igniter" gives ignition as it should.

[sharps4590]

Hmm, interesting. I thought it was discontinued years ago. Is it an old can of powder?

I tried it in a couple cartridge rifles 20+ years ago and it always went off instantaneously. I never tried it in a muzzleloader.

[jim 44-40]

Hmm, interesting. I thought it was discontinued years ago. Is it an old can of powder?

I tried it in a couple cartridge rifles 20+ years ago and it always went off instantaneously. I never tried it in a muzzleloader.

Price tag from Buckeye Outdoors in Ohio was $21.99
Can was open when I got it,little bit of surface rust on metal.
Powder is glossy black, it is a blackpowder sub

[sharps4590]

I know what it is. I bought a can of it, T-7 and.....some other sub I remember being gray and as hard as a brick...nasty stuff...Black Canyon maybe? I bought them to experiment with. We were living in Wyoming so it had to be before 2004. It gave good accuracy as I remember. I also remember it being quite a bit slower, over my chrono, than the T-7 or real BP. Haven't shot a sub since.

[fixit]

After having too many slow fires with game in my sights, particularly when cold, I have made a point to use a kicker charge of 10 to 20 grains of 3f black ahead of the main charge......no more slow ignition! The replacement powders are generally harder to ignite, so a little help is needed.

[sharps4590]

IIRC, the ignition of Pyrojunk is somewhere in the vicinity of 650 degrees F. That's 150+ degrees hotter than the real McCoy.

[Edward]

Side locks work every time using a Mag Spark (209lack Horn 209) conversion ,mine lite up Black Horn 209 and anything else you use for subs/Ed

[brewer12345]

Side locks work every time using a Mag Spark (209lack Horn 209) conversion ,mine lite up Black Horn 209 and anything else you use for subs/Ed

Interesting idea.

I had a roached 54 barrel turned into a 58 round ball barrel by Bobby Hoyt. The barrel shoots nicely, but ignition was a little iffy. I decided to swap out the stock TC nipple for a musket cap nipple. Voila! No more ignition issues.

[Hellgate]

Years ago I used ClearShot in cartridges (.357 mag) for Cowboy Action matches and is worked just fine. It reminded me of a ball powder as it metered well. I seemed to be a bit on the weak side but not much weaker than BP or the Black Canyon I was also using.

[AntiqueSledMan]

Hello jim 44-40,

Are they making Clear Shot again?
About 20 years ago I wanted Clear Shot for my 45-70 for a Buffalo Shoot,
I couldn't find it anywhere. So I contacted Goex,
they responded about an explosion at their manufacturing facility.
I thought the stuff was discontinued, as they said there were no plans on making it again.

AntiqueSledMan.

[toot]

the sub's are good as long as the can isn't left open for an UBER extended amount of time! as with BP, it improves with age! and it being a gift you have no idea how it was kept? jmho!

[Texas by God]

Has anyone used this powder substitute?It was gifted to me along with some Pyrodex. I've used Pyrodex in the past, but not this stuff.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220713/551422bc69598e6f1023697b057430d2.jpg

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[Soundguy]

After having too many slow fires with game in my sights, particularly when cold, I have made a point to use a kicker charge of 10 to 20 grains of 3f black ahead of the main charge......no more slow ignition! The replacement powders are generally harder to ignite, so a little help is needed.

Agreed.. a duplex charge of 4f or 3f ahead of 2f has always helped with bp subs for me.

[Soundguy]

Has anyone used this powder substitute?It was gifted to me along with some Pyrodex. I've used Pyrodex in the past, but not this stuff.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220713/551422bc69598e6f1023697b057430d2.jpg

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That APP sux in my opinion. I bought a can of 3F and the grains were more like 2F and it was hinkey to light off in revolvers. i gave it away.

[Texas by God]

Thanks, Soundguy.

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[Soundguy]

If you got it for free then it's not too bad I would just duplex a charge of some three or four at the head of it and then put in my charger minus a grain or two oh, but I did not like that American Pioneer powder hard to light off and very large grain size as compared to other black powder substitutes of the same f size.

[Hellgate]

A relative of mine loaded thousands of rounds of cartridges with APP in a progressive reloading press. It ran fine except there were a lot of "fines" (dust) that kept gumming up the works requiring occasional cleanings. In shotgun and rifle/pistol cartridges it works great.

[Springfield]

Why not just use all real BP and not worry about it? Easier than duplexing loads.

[Soundguy]

Whenever I hear people say that I figure they live in the magical land of unicorns and pink berries because there is no where around here I can buy real black powder. And ordering powder is a whole mess in itself since after you order it they wait a couple weeks and then decide to tell you when they're going to ship it and then you have about a two-day window for that shipping and I have to choose my days off work 6 weeks in advance so therefore I'm not staying home on a whim to wait for a guy to deliver me some powder therefore I'm stuck by black powder alternatives like 98% of the country is.

[sharps4590]

Wow Soundguy. I've ordered real BP in case lots of 25 lbs. for.......30 years or thereabouts......and I never had all that difficulty. Is that all vendors or just one?

[Soundguy]

The two times I ordered powder that's what happened to me. Totally *****. I lost alot of money taking off work randomly until I finally just had to give it up and not order any more powder.

[Soundguy]

Not sure what I typed the word censor got but it was a bad situation

[sharps4590]

Oh heck.....some of those censors will censor some of the most benign kinds of music and hunting. PC manure

[yeahbub]

Clearshot was discontinued after the explosion/fire at the manufacturing facility and, no, it's not coming back. Too bad, in my view. With energetic ignition, it works fine. Not so much with a #11 cap that has to get the fire around a few corners in the flash channel. A few grains of BP put in first fixes the problem. After Clearshot was discontinued, GOEX contracted with American Pioneer Powder to produce GOEX Pinnacle. Like American Pioneer, it's very compressible (a boon for revolver shooters who get just a bit much in the chamber - you can still get the ball all the way in) and some compression greatly improves the velocity. You'll have to experiment with how much in cartridges or a C&B revolver, but a Ruger Old Army with a 250gr RNFP roared like a Super Blackhawk, though I don't know what the guy's load was other than it was GOEX Pinnacle 3f and the boolits were seated just below the face of the cylinder to keep compression consistent. The performance of APP 2f in a revolver were really anemic, but the stuff was given to me, was old stock and I had to break up the chunks in the container. Not sure how badly it suffered before I got it. I duplexed it with some real 3f BP and that made it usable, but still nothing to write home about. Two other plusses I noticed about APP; unlike Pyrodex or 777, there was no hint of initiating corrosion and the fouling really is water-soluble. All of it comes off with just water, but generally, I do add a bit of dish soap because of the lubes I use. BTW, with the black powder substitutes, you don't have to use BP-compatible lubes. Lubes for smokeless won't cause any trouble or haven't so far.

[toot]

Texas by GOD, I have and still use it in my 10 gauge shot shells. volume to volume. the square load. no problem here. hope this helps? jmho.

[Texas by God]

Thanks, I'll give it a try when the weather cools. I hope to find some extra caps by then.

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[brewer12345]

APP is basically the same formula as Black MZ. Likes lots of compression to perform well.

[toot]

Soundguy, yes, I have a container of the 2-FG, grade and the cornels look like 1-FG, in BP, grade.

[toot]

what ever floats your boat! if it works & ain't broke don't fix it!

[Soundguy]

Soundguy, yes, I have a container of the 2-FG, grade and the cornels look like 1-FG, in BP, grade.

Yeah.. it was crazy.. bought the 3fg and opened it up at the range to use and thought I had grabbed rifle powder instead. I didn't care for it. I shot 1 cylinder full in a revolver and then closed it up.

My shooting group did black powder revolver.. everyone had one but one guy and his money was thin due to some work issues. we all chipped in and got him a used black powder revolver from a gun show and some gear. we found him a good used brass frame colt style 44 for 50$ , I gave him the app powder. another guy gave him a tin of caps. I was casting balls in .454 at the time so I gave him a bag of balls. I also made him a brass powder scoop/measure out of some rifle brass/solder/copper wire, and make him a nipple cleaner out of some guitar string. We all chipped in so basically only cost us a few bucks each.. and when we would do smoke poles at the range, he had something to shoot. So.. the APP got used.. just not by me... I don't care for it.