Which CB for 45 acp

[Lost Oki]

Looking for a cast bullet for my .45acp. Does anyone have any experience with the following bullets in a 1911 (lubed are Lyman)


Lyman 452664 mold 250 gr RF nose bevel base (.452)


Lyman 452423 mold 250 grain short nosed Keith.


Lee 452-255 RF

[mdi]

No experience in a 1911 but I have used the top 2 for 45 Colt. I am sure some here on castboolits has used these heavy bullets in a 1911, but I normally stick to "designed weights" (225, 230 gr. cast in my 45 ACPs)...

[45DUDE]

Those are for 45 Long Colt. A 200 grain H&G .452 style is the most popular. 45 acp has no crimp groove.

[Kosh75287]

I've used projectiles similar to BOTH in .45 ACP, but I was working up a load to shoot bowling pins (they WORKED!). Unless you just WANT to use heavy-for-caliber projectiles, I'd stick to 200 gr. - 230 gr. bullets.
When working up the 250/255 gr. projectiles, I started with a charge weight that I did not expect to operate the slide, then worked up by 0.1 gr. until I obtained reliable function. Once there, if I was not at max., I increased by another 0.1 gr. to assure reliable function. If memory serves, the 250 gr. RNFP was slightly more reliable in terms of feeding.
I must emphasize that I was NOT trying to obtain any particular velocity, just reliable function. At any likely velocity, the 250+ gr. projectiles had sufficient momentum to send the bowling pins off the plywood.

[jsizemore]

None of the above. H&G #34 or #68 which will save you 30 gr. of alloy. Same contact points when feeding in a 1911.

[super6]

The 68bb H&G has served me well, Never had a problem. Bullseye @ 5 grains.

[brewer12345]

I use HG 68 (200 grain swc) and the Lee 230 grain TC. I think the former is more accurate, but the TC will feed even in guns that are finicky.

[Hick]

Lee 452-200-RF with Ben's tumble lube

[pworley1]

The 2 Lyman bullets work well for me in the long colt. I have not tried them in the 1911. I did try the Lee bullet in the 1911 but could never get it to feed reliably in mine. It also worked well in the long colt.

[Lost Oki]

Thanks for the reply's

[Alstep]

H&G 68 got em all beat in all my 1911's. Accurate & reliable.

[Dutchman]

HG68

https://images46.fotki.com/v101/photos/4/28344/9430776/20201101_204711-vi.jpg (https://public.fotki.com/dutchman/crufflerstuff/bullet-casting/20201101-204711.html)

[Walks]

Lyman #452488 - 3.5grs Bullseye (13lb spring) Most accurate .
RCBS #45-201-KT - 5.5grs Bullseye (flatbase H&G 68 clone)
Lyman #452374 - 5.0grs Bullseye
Lee #452-230-TC " " " "
Lyman #452423 - 4.5grs Bullseye

I don't shoot the #452423 in .45ACP much anymore, just the #452488 for paper punching in throated Colt Gov't & Gold Cup and the Lee #452-230-TC. I cast the Lee bullet for Cowboy Shooting, so I have lots. The #452423 is fantastic for paper punching in the .45Colt.

[hermans]

I have several molds for my 1911's, but he two that I use most are MP clones for H&G #68 and #34 as mentioned above in a post by jsizemore. Weight is 200 and 225 grains with my alloy. Both feed very smooth, and accuracy is outstanding.

[JeffG]

NOE has an H&G clone labeled 454-237-RN-AC4. Great bullet, sized .452 works great in all my 45 autos

[gwpercle]

I did a lot of NRA Bullseye Match and the boolit of choice for punching holes in paper was the 200 gr. SWC Lyman # 452460 in 45 ACP . with this boolit and 5.2 grains Unique and my AMT Hardballer , I won a First Place trophy in a 45 Match .
It may be old design but it is still a good boolit for the 45 acp with several powders .
Gary

[MT Gianni]

Lyman 452460 200 gr swc.

[muskeg13]

I regularly load the Lyman 452664BV in M1911s and a Charter Arms Pitbull. Mine is a 4 gang mould that casts a lot of very good boolits quickly without any fuss. Nothing blows up and the sky doesn't fall, as long as you take it easy. I found 4.5 gr Unique operates the M1911s reliably and proves to be very mild and accurate. 5.2 Unique, produces 811 fps, but I usually settle on an even 5.0 for about 762-790 fps in the M1911 and 660-700 in the 2.5" Pittbull.

I've also used Bullseye, Power Pistol, Titegroup and Blue Dot, but (so far) haven't gotten results any better than the mild Unique loads.

[gwpercle]

I regularly load the Lyman 452664BV in M1911s and a Charter Arms Pitbull. Mine is a 4 gang mould that casts a lot of very good boolits quickly without any fuss. Nothing blows up and the sky doesn't fall, as long as you take it easy. I found 4.5 gr Unique operates the M1911s reliably and proves to be very mild and accurate. 5.2 Unique, produces 811 fps, but I usually settle on an even 5.0 for about 762-790 fps in the M1911 and 660-700 in the 2.5" Pittbull.

I've also used Bullseye, Power Pistol, Titegroup and Blue Dot, but (so far) haven't gotten results any better than the mild Unique loads.

About 1975 I was trying to set my Lyman 55 to drop 5.0 grs. of Unique for 45 acp loads ... but somehow it ended dropping 5.2 grs . and in the 45 acp the load worked so well ... I just left it there . Accurate and 100% functioning .
I'm sure 5.0 grs. would work just as well ... my 5.2 gr. load was just a fluke !
Gary.. That measure is still set to drop 5.2 grs. Unique to this day !

[Kosh75287]

The 4.5/Unique/255 gr. LSWC sounds familiar, but I think I used more like 4.3/Unique. I think I used more like 4.7-5.0/Herco/255 gr. LSWC. This was in the days before chronographs, but I'd estimate velocities at 700 + 25 f/s by the time I obtained reliable slide function. Accuracy was QUITE good, BTW.
The 5.0/Unique/250 gr. RNFP load that MUSKEG13 mentions sounds like a duplicate of the old .455 Webley round, and I'd expect it to be no less effective if used on "two-legged vermin".

[charlie b]

I've used the Lee 200gn SWC since I started casting back in the 80's. The Lee 230 RN and TC have also worked for me. I just like SWC's in pistols.

When I got a Ruger BH in .45Colt I used the 255SWC. Tried them in the 1911 one time. Went back to the 200gn.

[Winger Ed.]

I'd get a mold for a boolit that already has plenty of loading data already done for it in that caliber rather than get off
into uncharted waters or try to re-invent the wheel.
If you don't see info for those type boolits on the .45ACP page,,,,, it might be for very good reasons.

If you really really feel the need for shooting a 255 in .45cal--- get a .45 Long Colt.
Plenty of loading data has already been done for that boolit.

[44Blam]

I have the NOE 454-237-RN-AC4 4 Cavity RG4 PB Brass mold and a SIG 1911. I've shot more than 5000 of these with no failures to fire or feed.

301655

My go to load is about 6.8 grain of Longshot and I get right around 880 fps out of a 5" barrel with excellent accuracy. I do plan on testing AA2 and AA5 at some point in the future.

[RKJ]

MP clones for H&G #68. This one for the win. A classic 45 ACP bullet in a new mold. I really like the one I have.

[justindad]

NOE has an H&G clone labeled 454-237-RN-AC4. Great bullet, sized .452 works great in all my 45 autos

+1

I have a 3” 1911, and my reloads with this bullet make the most reliable ammo I’ve shot.

[shooterg]

H&G 68 , I like the BB version, can reload the "throwaway" aluminum SP cases several times with 'em .

[CastingFool]

My Hipoint in 45 acp seems to like the Lee 452-200 RF. So does my Henry BBS in 45 Colt.

[Shiloh]

LEE 200 gr SWC, LEE 225 gr. RN and LEE 200 gr. TLSWC.

Shiloh

[muskeg13]

The 4.5/Unique/255 gr. LSWC sounds familiar, but I think I used more like 4.3/Unique. I think I used more like 4.7-5.0/Herco/255 gr. LSWC. This was in the days before chronographs, but I'd estimate velocities at 700 + 25 f/s by the time I obtained reliable slide function. Accuracy was QUITE good, BTW.
The 5.0/Unique/250 gr. RNFP load that MUSKEG13 mentions sounds like a duplicate of the old .455 Webley round, and I'd expect it to be no less effective if used on "two-legged vermin".

My Lyman 452664 RNFPs run 255 gr or so, depending on the alloy. Living in bear country, I had stumbled on/started with 4.5 Unique several years earlier seeking a heavier than normal bulleted load in my 1911s, and I was very pleasantly surprised when the initial magazine load cut one ragged hole at 15 paces! In the M1911s, my initial intent was to work up a load comparable to commercial standard pressure .45 Colt lead bullet loads, but I gave up on that quest when accuracy began to fall off as I pushed harder than the lower 800s with the powders I tried. I'd rather have the accuracy and figure that a 250+ gr bullet moving close to 800 fps was good enough for either 2 or 4 legged varmits, despite the internet "expert" claims that no one should set foot in the Alaskan terrain with anything less than a heavily loaded .44 Mag.

I began trying to replicate .455 Webley performance when I got the little Charter Arms Pitbull in .45 ACP and did load comparisons between the .455, .45 ACP and .45 Auto Rim using old Lyman #42 and 43 manuals. Pitbull accuracy has been acceptable but isn't nearly as good as what I get in the M1911s.

[paul edward]

I have had good results with the Lee 452-190 SWC. Sized .452" and usually loaded with 5.7 grains of W231 this bullet has worked well in several different 1911s.

[AlHunt]

I had a lot of trouble with NOE 250ish grain bullets in my 1911. Can't remember the mold number off the top of my head. That big nose gave me a lot of problems because my barrel has no leade so without seating it quite deep, I'd get failures going fully into battery. The Lee TL 228 or 230 grain (whichever weight it is) worked fine for me.

[rintinglen]

MP clones for H&G #68. This one for the win. A classic 45 ACP bullet in a new mold. I really like the one I have.

Me, too! I have both a HP 4 cavity and a plain 4 cavity and I find them to be an excellent bullet. I particularly like the HP version, simply because it uses a little less lead. Both are equally accurate in my guns and very reliable.

[Texas by God]

The Lee 230gr TC is a good one. Feeds well and hits hard.

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[44MAG#1]

I have a question concerning cast bullets for the 45 Auto. First let me set the stage before I present my question. I am not a benchrest shooter of the 45 Auto. I shoot offhand standing. While I am not in the "all in one hole offhand group" I am farrrrrrr from a lousy shooter of the 1911 45 Auto. Now with that being declared at the beginning why does the Saeco 058 215 grain bullet, one time known as the "bowling pin bullet" rarely if ever mentioned?
I have 3 Kimbers 3", 4", 5 inch, Springfield 5 inch, 1 Tisas 5 inch and a Tisas 4.25 inch plus 3 Glocks that bullet feeds well in. While it may not shoot with the benchrest accuracy of the H&G 68 or its clones it would take a very, very, very good shooter to see the difference in actual standing on your legs shooting offhand type shooting. Plus it has a .325-.330 inch meplat which should leave a good permanent wound cavity and do well as a self defense bullet plus a good hunting bullet on smaller game if one should want to do that.
What say the experienced on here?

[gwpercle]

45 acp boolits for 1911 and other semi-auto pistols :

Lyman # 452460 , 200 gr. SWC ( my first 2 cavity mould bought in 1967)
NOE # 453 - 198 - SWC - HP ( my first HP 45 acp mould bought in 2015)
NOE # 453 - 200 - SWC ( bought in 2016 to replace Lyman 452460 2 cavity ... the Lyman was 49 years old and I got a freaking 4 cavity ... sweet!)

Lyman still catalogs the #452460 in 2 and 4 cavities in steel .... and the NOE moulds are re-creations of this design in 2, 3, 4, and 5 cavity aluminum blocks .
Gary

[Butcher45]

I have a question concerning cast bullets for the 45 Auto. First let me set the stage before I present my question. I am not a benchrest shooter of the 45 Auto. I shoot offhand standing. While I am not in the "all in one hole offhand group" I am farrrrrrr from a lousy shooter of the 1911 45 Auto. Now with that being declared at the beginning why does the Saeco 058 215 grain bullet, one time known as the "bowling pin bullet" rarely if ever mentioned?
I have 3 Kimbers 3", 4", 5 inch, Springfield 5 inch, 1 Tisas 5 inch and a Tisas 4.25 inch plus 3 Glocks that bullet feeds well in. While it may not shoot with the benchrest accuracy of the H&G 68 or its clones it would take a very, very, very good shooter to see the difference in actual standing on your legs shooting offhand type shooting. Plus it has a .325-.330 inch meplat which should leave a good permanent wound cavity and do well as a self defense bullet plus a good hunting bullet on smaller game if one should want to do that.
What say the experienced on here?

I am not real "experienced".

That said, my very first .45ACP/1911 handloads are with the Saeco #58. It feeds well thus far, and groups are a big hole at 5 yards (all I've shot it at so far) out of my 3 inch Springfield Micro Compact Loaded. I've seen 849fps using WSF powder.

If it's a big meplat you are after, the #58 is one to try. Load data available in the #4 Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook.

[phaessler]

The 68bb H&G has served me well, Never had a problem. Bullseye @ 5 grains.

Exactly....

[justindad]

The cost of Saeco molds will keep them from being mentioned very often. I do like that it is a truncated cone that’s heavier than 200 grains.

[Kosh75287]

If it's a big meplat you are after, the #58 is one to try. Load data available in the #4 Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook.
This is a superb bullet for use in .45 ACP, and .45 Colt. It's performed well in all .45 ACP firearms in which I have used it. MISSOURI BULLETS makes a PC version of this projectile, and it is my favorite for .45 ACP.
I think our original poster is long gone, but the discussion of various .45 ACP bullets has been enlightening.

[44MAG#1]

The Saeco 058 on the left in all it's glory.
301730

[AnthonyB]

The Saeco 58 is one of my favorite lighter than 230 grain moulds. I would love to find a four cavity at a reasonable price, but my two cavity may have to do.
Tony

[AlaskaMike]

Years ago we had a group buy with Lee for a six cavity version similar to the Saeco 058. The design is essentially the Lyman 452423, but minus the crimp groove and middle band, resulting in a weight of about 210 grains depending on alloy.

My 1911s and also my Sig P220 shoot it better than the H&G 68 designs. Sacrilege? Perhaps.

[justindad]

The Saeco 058 on the left in all it's glory.
301730

What’s on the right, and how much does it weigh?

[44MAG#1]

It is a close 230 grain, depending on the alloy, copy.

[The Old Salt]

I use a Lee 2-Cavity Bullet Mold TL452-230-2R 45 ACP mold. Its a tumble lube but I use the homemade Felix lube. Out of my SR1911, it can fire groups of less than 1” at 7 yrds. I am loading Unique powder.

[trixter]

301961
This is my all time favorite, the holes it makes in my paper targets are totally cool (like I used a hole punch).
this is the H&G #68 from Mihec.

301964
This is choice #2, it is so easy to cast. This is from a Lee 6 cavity mold.

[kens]

my vote is Lee 6-cavity truncated cone, they simply fall out of the mold

[Divil]

RCBS 225 grain RN with hardball alloy and a few musket balls dropped in to eventually yield 227 grain boolits has been a success for me.

Using straight hardball alloy:
Accurate Custom Molds using the: 45-230-LL (conventional lubed), 45-230-LT(tumble lubed version of the LL),
45-230-MH (gas checked RNFP) and 45-185-O (lightweight tumble lube RNFP) have all worked well for me in various 1911’s.

I am still experimenting with which one the Glock 21 with KKM shoots best with.

My full sized steel 1911’s get the 230 grain boolits. My alloy framed 1911 gets the lightweight boolits.

[oldsman]

i had good luck with the old 200 swc , and you dont need that hard of an alloy . I use 50 50 mix wheel weight and pure lead with a touch of tin

[h8dirt]

Keep looking. You can shoot these but depending on the load you can unnecessarily beat your gun up.

[44MAG#1]

Keep looking. You can shoot these but depending on the load you can unnecessarily beat your gun up.

What "THESE" are you referring too

[Lost Oki]

Not gone, just been busy trying a few loads with some 200 grain bullets I purchased. 302262 Great accuracy out of the 200 gr SWC at 15 yrds, 210gr RFN not as good but has potential. Initially a little problem feeding both (5 rd in 7 rd mag) but added 6th rd and problem stopped. (sounds like I need new mag springs). Have another trip to the range scheduled for today, will post more info.302263

[W.R.Buchanan]

I tried the HG68 style boolit in my Glock 21 SF and it got wedged between the feed ramp and the chamber wall perfectly every time. I got Lyman 452374 which is the classic .45 ACP boolit. I powder coat mine and they work perfectly. 5.7 gr of W231.

Randy

[h8dirt]

What "THESE" are you referring too

The comment is in response to the OP’s question … so, the ones the OP asked about shooting (which are typically 255 grain 46 Colt bullets)

[Willie T]

OP. The bullets in your pictures are heavier than what is commonly loaded for 45acp and have crimp grooves for a roll crimp. You could make them work but they are not ideal. They suit 45LC. 45acp headspaces off the case mouth and are suited to a taper crimp. 230 grains out of a 1911 are what the 45acp was designed for. Lots of target shooters throttle that back to 200 or even 185 grains. I cast for a pair of 1911’s. A Colt Government and a Springfield mil-spec. I’ve tried lots of molds and loads but I settled on a Lee six cavity 230 grain round nose tumble lube mold. The mold I have is close to perfection for my needs. It consistently drops high quality .4525 diameter Bullets with a soft alloy of 37.5% clip on and 62 1/2% soft lead.
302271
Sized to .452 and conventional lubed in my Lube A Matic, I give them a light taper crimp over 5.4 grains of W231 I get reliable function, no leading, and stellar accuracy in a bullet with almost 100% weight retention and good expansion At 45acp velocity.
302272
Willie T

[Kosh75287]

LOST OKI, it's good to see you back! For .45 ACP, it's usually more difficult to find a bullet that does NOT work well, than to find one that does. Same with propellants.
Your 250 gr. projectiles aren't what the .45 ACP was designed for, but they'll surely work. They're at their best on bowling pins & similar targets, and pushing them too fast can be bad for the frame. Mercifully, you need not launch them faster than 750 - 800 f/s to do EVERYTHING you'll ever need them to do. Loaded to 700 f/s, they somewhat duplicate the old .455 Webley revolver round, which had a well-established reputation for fight-stopping, in its day.

[BD]

I have a question concerning cast bullets for the 45 Auto. First let me set the stage before I present my question. I am not a benchrest shooter of the 45 Auto. I shoot offhand standing. While I am not in the "all in one hole offhand group" I am farrrrrrr from a lousy shooter of the 1911 45 Auto. Now with that being declared at the beginning why does the Saeco 058 215 grain bullet, one time known as the "bowling pin bullet" rarely if ever mentioned?
I have 3 Kimbers 3", 4", 5 inch, Springfield 5 inch, 1 Tisas 5 inch and a Tisas 4.25 inch plus 3 Glocks that bullet feeds well in. While it may not shoot with the benchrest accuracy of the H&G 68 or its clones it would take a very, very, very good shooter to see the difference in actual standing on your legs shooting offhand type shooting. Plus it has a .325-.330 inch meplat which should leave a good permanent wound cavity and do well as a self defense bullet plus a good hunting bullet on smaller game if one should want to do that.
What say the experienced on here?

I used the Saeco 058 for bowling pins and varmints for a few years in the early '90s. It was not as accurate as the H&G #68 in my pistols, and it did not fly well out past 75 yards. However, it definitely did better on little critters than the 68. I wanted something better for hunting and more accurate out to 100 yards. That's what led to the BDacp. About the same meplat, (.320 in the original version) better SD and BC and more room in the case. That said the BDacp only makes up about 10% of the .45acps I load and shoot. I'm well over 100,000 #68s through my competition pistol with no complaints at all. I do occasionally sneak a mag or two of warm BDacps in when there's a plate rack or a Texas star in the stage as they will sometimes rattle everything enough that I get some freebie steel to fall :) At this stage in my life I need all the help I can get.

[AlaskaMike]

I used the Saeco 058 for bowling pins and varmints for a few years in the early '90s. It was not as accurate as the H&G #68 in my pistols, and it did not fly well out past 75 yards. However, it definitely did better on little critters than the 68. I wanted something better for hunting and more accurate out to 100 yards. That's what led to the BDacp. About the same meplat, (.320 in the original version) better SD and BC and more room in the case. That said the BDacp only makes up about 10% of the .45acps I load and shoot. I'm well over 100,000 #68s through my competition pistol with no complaints at all. I do occasionally sneak a mag or two of warm BDacps in when there's a plate rack or a Texas star in the stage as they will sometimes rattle everything enough that I get some freebie steel to fall :) At this stage in my life I need all the help I can get.

BD, sounds interesting--got any pics of your BDacp bullet?

[15meter]

My favorite is the Redding 062, 2 cavity, .452 diameter, 170 grain truncated cone with a bevel base. One of the first molds I bought.

It shoots and feeds ridiculously well out of my Springfield Armory WWII 1911 clone.

Got a buddy who mooches the mold whenever his supply of boolits runs low. He casts up a thousand or two to tide him over to the next time he needs to mooch the mold. He shoots it in his very nice Kimber and can't see any reason to shoot anything else.

It's alright he mooches it instead of buying his own mold, I've got a couple of dead guy Lyman molds in 6.5 in my shed that have taken up semi-permanent residency that belong to him. He doesn't load any 6.5's and I load 6.5x55, 6.5x52, 6.5x53R and 6.5x54.


Ain't having shooting and casting buddies grand?

[Lost Oki]

Finally got to the range, a cool day (below 95F). Changed powder from Unique to Bullseye. Accuracy for both was good at 15 yrds off rest. 200gr SWC not quite as good as the Unique load (6 grs), RNFP was actually better with the Bullseye. Tried both at 25 yrds, not much difference. I am shooting off a rest with my Colt Compact. Did get a little leading 30 rds but nothing that didn't clean up easily. Probably pushing a little hard for cast, but was looking for best accuracy with most speed. I had ordered a split box of bullets from source so I could try out. Think I will go with the SWC at 200gr., this load will be a little easier on the hand. While out I tried the copper coated bullets I had loaded at 100 yrds. After a few practice shots off the rest to get bullet drop, I could keep them in a 24-30 inch circle. Definitely not a 100 yrd gun.

[BD]

302573
BD, sounds interesting--got any pics of your BDacp bullet?302574
It's the one on the right in the photo, (This post should be titled BDacp). These pop up adds at the bottom of the screen are certainly annoying

[PhatForrest]

Lee 230gr TCs works great in any pistol I've tried. Thier 200gr swc works well in 1911s, but doesn't run so hot in Sig P220s.

[Krh1326]

I am over the moon, with my 4 cavity MP Mold 452-200 RF
Throws 205 gr HP , came with round and penta, or 215 gr solid.

+1 on the Lee TC PhatForrest posted ! I have the solid from Lee, and got a HP conversion, of the Lee mold, from Erik at hollowpointmolds. That HP casts about 215 gr. They were my do all until I scored the MP.

Not the heavy weights that you were looking at, and just short of Lees 230 gr tier.

[Iowa Fox]

Lyman 452460 200 gr swc.

Mt Gianni beat me to the punch. Its really hard to beat the 452460.

I do shoot a lot of 452389 for light practice.

[Rapier]

I have used the 200 H&G design with 452 AA now WST for years. You can use 231 for a bit more snap, but good accuracy. I gave up on Unique because it burns so dirty, especially in practice sessions involving hundreds and hundreds of rounds. The WST looks more like the gun was never shot.

I shoot in matches involving minor and major loads. With major, the general idea is to have a low extreme spread and standard deviation, then run the accuracy loads just over for a bit of leeway when testing for or at a match.

[David2011]

I’m with Rapier. The Lyman 452374 is an H&G 68 200 grain clone that runs flawlessly in my 1911s, pushed by WST.

[44MAG#1]

I’m with Rapier. The Lyman 452374 is an H&G 68 200 grain clone that runs flawlessly in my 1911s, pushed by WST.

Are you ABSOLUTELY certain about that statement?

[rustyshooter]

I’m with Rapier. The Lyman 452374 is an H&G 68 200 grain clone that runs flawlessly in my 1911s, pushed by WST.

#68 is no where near the same profile as the 452374. The Lyman “round ball” profile is what won WWII. Lol If it was good enough for Dad it’s good enough for me. Only change I made in his Colt bring back was I got MiHec clone and now I have hollow point 452374’s. Best all around .45 projectile. IMHO

[huntersdog]

I have a beautiful 230gr WFN mold for the 45ACP, I'll have to see what mold it is. Looking for someone to cast some for me.

[StrawHat]

…Lyman 452423 mold 250 grain short nosed Keith…

Are we looking at a typo here? The 452423 typically comes in around 230-240grains depending on alloy. Lyman 454424 is a bit heavier at 250-260 grains.

And there have been many threads about getting heavyweights to go in a 1911.

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?443949-Heavy-bullet-45-ACP-loads

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?369516-Heavy-45AR-Loads-Noe-454424

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?128243-Heavy-Bullets-in-the-45-ACP

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?281259-45-ACP-255gr-Cast-boolit-recipe

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?272889-NOE-mold-454424-255-SWC-about-45ACP

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?255216-Feeding-Big-Meplats-in-1911-s-Continued-The-LBT-LFN

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?237958-Reliably-Feeding-the-452423-A-Science-Project

And many more.

Kevin

[David2011]

Are you ABSOLUTELY certain about that statement?


#68 is no where near the same profile as the 452374. The Lyman “round ball” profile is what won WWII. Lol If it was good enough for Dad it’s good enough for me. Only change I made in his Colt bring back was I got MiHec clone and now I have hollow point 452374’s. Best all around .45 projectile. IMHO

Clearly my head was where the sun doesn’t shine when I wrote that. I’ve cast a ton of 452374s and the number sounded right. That’s what I get for not verifying. I’ll check my molds and see what my 200 grain SWC actually is.

[David2011]

My sincere apologies! The 200 grain SWC mold I have is a Saeco 069. I’m sure about it now.

[Thin Man]

I started handloading in 1970 and dove into casting in 1973. A local reloader was leaving casting and moving into swaging. I bought his furnace, sizer and 10 or 11 sets of molding blocks for one money. Among those blocks was a 4-cavity Lyman 452460 pattern which has been and still is my favorite 200 grain 45 acp boolit. Loaded over Unique powder this boolit delivers everything I could ask for out of any 1911.

[Ricochet]

BD, I bought a 6 cavity mould for the BD .45 on the group buy years ago. It's a great boolit! I have long used the Lee TL-230-TC as my main .45 ACP boolit. I use them for hardball equivalent loads and reserve the BD boolits for max loads. That way I can instantly identify them visually.

[Green Frog]

Gary and Gianni beat me to the punch. An old loading book the NRA published with info about the 45 said if you have a Lyman 452460, that’s all you’ll ever need.

Froggie

[Rich/WIS]

I like the SWC styles in the 200gr range in my SA 191A1 Range Officer. The 452460 was a winner but being only 2 cavity did not meet my production needs so went to the Lee 68 clone in a 6 cavity mold. An excellent bullet that has proven itself over tens of thousands of rounds in my RO as well as others 1911's. Even in base line 1911's both fed well and were 100% reliable. One issue not mentioned is the magazines used in the 1911, the straight lip GI types can sometimes cause a feeding issue with the shorter SWC bullets. There are aftermarket mags referred to as Hybrid types that have a different lip configuration intended for self defense HP ammo that will feed both ball RN and SWC style ammo. I use these (RO came with 2) with the SWC rounds and have never had problems. My RO will work with the GI types and SWC rounds although apparently some 1911's have issues.

[Newtire]

I've only used that Last Lee and I would have had to seat it way past it's crimp groove to get it to chamber. Lee #68 and same in an Arsenal mold are doing well with the Lyman 452460. The 225 gr. Lyman round noses are good too but kick a little hard to be enjoyable to shoot all day. A couple of Acme RNFP bullets (200 and 225 gr.) were promising and fed well to boot.