30-30 woes ???

[Hootmix]

I have a 67 94 Candian Centennial rifle (26"), using a PC'd, 158gn. (Ordered from supplier), and a Lyman 311466, (coated & lubed). Used IMR-3031@ 22.5 w/ 158gn. OAL 2.552
Used IMR-4198@18gn. w/158gn.OAL2.510
Used IMR-4198 @18gn. w/158gn. OAL2.530 -----------------NONE, of these could find 3" bull @ 50yds !!!!!
All shot's "LOW LEFT", were talk'n 8-10" low & 5-6" left, but not as a groupe.

Got up early, drove to range, fired 1 factory 150gn., Bulls Eye (well the barrels not bent), then fired 1 rd. 158gn w/ 18gn. IMR-4198 (shooting West), (it should be about New Mexico by now), hit low left corner of target, (maybe the targets don't like coated bullets???) Ya' think i need to up the charges? Chrono showed 1750's

hav'n coffee, Hootmix.

[Thumbcocker]

Boolit diameter?

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[Hootmix]

OOpS, .309 dia.

more coffee, Hootmix.

[Thumbcocker]

Try .311. I bet it will do better.

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[Thumbcocker]

Gas check boolits? If not you are pushing them too hard. 1500 fps or less.

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[Hootmix]

Hey Thum, just loaded a couple @ .311 w/ both Imr-3031 & IMR- 4198, and yes sir they are GC'd., we'll see, thank you for holler'n.

coffee's ready, Hootmix.

[Bazoo]

Uh, I’m no expert on the 30-30. But I’ve found good success with full charges of 3031. My ‘70 made 94 does well with 26-28 grains 3031 and the 31141, checked and lubed and sized .310. I’d say start running full speed and see what happens.

[Trapper-Jack]

I'm with Bazoo. My 30-30s do well with about 27 grains of 3031. I'm shooting the Lee 150 and 170 boolits with gas checks.

[Hootmix]

I have 3-4 .308 molds (30-40 &.303 brit), problem seems to be if, the "nose" of the bullets are bigger than .302 they hit the Landes, and i have to seat them deeper to get a good fit, so the bolt closes smoothly. I know it will all fall in place , when i (we) find the right combo. Baz, i like 3031, use it in my 40-60 win., with a pinch of Dacron filler, i get good groupes @ 50yds.

coffee time, Hootmix

[Eddie Southgate]

You can get a good load in just about anything with 3031 and good bullet fit.

[Texas by God]

You can get a good load in just about anything with 3031 and good bullet fit.Yes, I remember 3031 fondly.....

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[Landy88]

But how were the groups?

Finding a good load is not the same as finding one that shoots to the same POI as another; and finding both in one is, yet, another challenge.

Some rifles are a friend jn such a challenge, and some an inquisitioner.

[Hootmix]

I'm one of those people's that likes to know stuff, so i looked up SAMMI drawings for the Win. 30-30. Un beknown to me, the 30-30 has a 15* slope at the end of the chamber, from .333 down to.300 bore & groove @ .308 dia. That is why my fat nose bullets gave me problems, and i had to keep seating them deeper. A 150gn. (158gn.) bullet should be traveling about 2000-2205fps, so Baz may be right, i need to up my load of 3031, maybe tomorrow if all goes well.

coffee time, Hootmix.

[dla]

Leverguns, due to the barrel bands and dovetails, rarely shoot different velocity loads to the same POI.

[Soundguy]

I still didn't see if this was a GC or not? My flat nose run great in my leverguns..

[MT Gianni]

How does it shoot with a box of factory?

[truckjohn]

Cast boolits always shoot to a different point of impact than jacketed. That's normal.

Often, the reduced cast loads will print quite a bit lower. That's expected. Focus on tuning the load adjustments to tighten up the groups, and then adjust your sights as needed.

[Bazoo]

My cast 30-30 loads hit the same spot as factory. The 748 load I have, hits nearly exactly the same and groups are similar in size, around 1.5” at 70yards for 3 shots. The 3031 load I have shoots similarly but not as tight but I don’t remember now except that 28 grains shoots to the same sight setting and 27 was lower and needed a notch more elevation. Both were similar in group size but it’s been so long I can’t remember and I just plink with it. I can hit a coke can at 75 yards, so I never tried to improve my load farther and subsequently got sidetracked with other shooting and loading.

[Hootmix]

Yup, back, MT see post #6, they are GC'd, & shoot to point of aim w/ 170gn. factory ammo. Been tied up w/ "need to get done stuff".
Landy88, a "Groupe", if i remember correctly there were 2rds.out of the 5rds. that were on the same side of the target. Thank everyone for the questions & advise, I'll be back when i get this other stuff done.

coffee's ready, Hootmix