Married three months...no more guns

[dverna]

My son married three months ago. He called me tonight and his liberal wife will not tolerate guns in the house.

Until my son voted for Biden, I gave him guns regularly for Christmas. When he turned 21, I told him he could have any pistol I owned and he selected a .45 Kimber.

So, in a few weeks, I will have a few more toys that I do not need. I have been downsizing for years and the last thing I need is more stuff to sell. All the guns are nice. At least they are not going to a pawn shop.

Not sure they will ever visit. I have guns all over the house.

If I have grandkids by them, I will never be able to teach them to shoot or hunt. I will be the last “gun nut” in the family.

[NSB]

Sorry to hear all that, but it’s not all her doing. All that should have been discussed and settled long before the nuptials. My wife’s only comment after a couple of years was, “I know you said you liked to hunt and shoot, but I didn’t think you meant this much!” That was over fifty years ago and she’s still here. If she’d have given me an ultimatum without discussion ahead of time, I’d have been married about five minutes. FWIW, I know a couple of cases like that myself. Your going to miss out on spending some great time with your grandkids.

[unclemikeinct]

Don, I feel for you. You had to know some of this before the wedding. You can't reason with crazy. Just be polite, carry on. Might take a few years. but men [your son], just might come to his senses. uncle mike

[nicholst55]

That's unfortunate. My youngest son has a similar problem. His liberal-hippy wife very reluctantly 'allows' him to own a (very) few guns. Her father owns a couple, and she has fired them before. What can I say? He's the one that has to live with her, not me.

[skeettx]

Bummer
The pendulum swings

Mike

[unclemikeinct]

Ps. as a microaggression . if you must give him a present. Make it condoms, let it be known you don't want him breeding w crazy.

[Nobade]

There is a popular meme for just this situation but dealing with motorcycles.
"Honey, I don't want you to buy any more motorcycles."
"Wow, you are starting to sound like my ex wife."
"I didn't think you had been married before."
"I haven't."

[Dusty Bannister]

That made me laugh.

[36g]

dverna - while you don't have hopes to pass along teaching shooting and hunting to grandkids how about sharing your time and expertise with some local youths at the local gun range, as an instructor, or join Project Appleseed and instruct.

My kids and wife aren't particularly enamored with firearms but when I mention the values of some of them they get quiet really quickly...

[jaysouth]

Sorry to hear this. I have the opposite problem. Four teenage grandkids who keep me in the poor house reloading AR ammo for them. Both daughters and their husbands have carry permits.

[imashooter2]

Is this the first decision she’s made for him or just the latest? There’s no woman worth giving up who you are.

[M-Tecs]

My ex-wife was anti-gun. My current wife was anti-gun. They were both informed in no uncertain terms that I was interest in firearms before I was interested in girls and that I would still be interested in firearms after I was not interested in girls. If they forced me to choose they would lose. The ex eventually became an avid shooter and hunter. The currently wife now enjoys shooting but not hunting.

[.429&H110]

"Liberal Wife" should take firearm safety and get her CC because she is around firearms. Civic duty. Welcome to America. This is what adults do. Most people can find a nearby women's only class, I am told they are fun. Then she can enforce the five rules she has just learned, feel safe, mystery gone.

[am44mag]

3 months in and she's already dictating what he can own? That's not a good sign. By allowing her to do it, he also just set a precedent that's likely going to bite him in the butt later.

I wish him the best.

[1Hawkeye]

I think he needs to have a sit down and let her know that they were here before her and will be there after her. My wife tried the same thing 33 years ago and that was the response she got. She is not a anti so much as she just didn't understand the interest.

[lavenatti]

My wife wasn't crazy about guns so I bought her a Remington 870 and took her trap shooting. Then I got her an AR, then she laid claim to my Glock 19 and one of my Mausers.
Can't win either way...

[G W Wade]

She: Now that we are married, you can get rid of all those guns.
He: Your starting to sound like my ex-wife
She: I did'nt know you were married before?
He: Silience GW

[Thumbcocker]

He should take her plinking with some big reactive targets; water jugs, balloons, etc. And a .22.

It couldn't hurt.

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[georgerkahn]

My son married three months ago. He called me tonight and his liberal wife will not tolerate guns in the house.

Until my son voted for Biden, I gave him guns regularly for Christmas. When he turned 21, I told him he could have any pistol I owned and he selected a .45 Kimber.

So, in a few weeks, I will have a few more toys that I do not need. I have been downsizing for years and the last thing I need is more stuff to sell. All the guns are nice. At least they are not going to a pawn shop.

Not sure they will ever visit. I have guns all over the house.

If I have grandkids by them, I will never be able to teach them to shoot or hunt. I will be the last “gun nut” in the family.

Perhaps I should not reply as such, but let me begin that I am on my third marriage. (2 1/3yrs; 2 1/2yrs; 47 years and still happy). I wish your son and his wife many, many years of happiness together. BUT, I know of ever soooo many marriages which start out great, but then "things" (perhaps including "orders!" to do this and/or not do that) quickly take away the sparkle. While, again, I wish your son and daughter-in-law the best -- there may in fact be, albeit even a few years down the road -- where those firearms may be :) returned to him... Just saying...
geo

[DougGuy]

Somebody breaks into the car, then the house, or threatens one or both of them, NOW WHO do you think they will come running to? Yup I guarantee this.

[Jsm180]

He voted for Biden, he has no business owning a firearm.

[kbstenberg]

ALL people have to have their own likes and dislikes. If one part of a union needs to control. the other half of a union there can have no free will or mutual understanding in the union. And there will be problems in every decision and need on both sides of the union.
The ability to have a firearm is only a small part of a marriage. But if one side will not allow a firearm to be present, what else in their life together will the one half not allow to be there.

[Texas by God]

He voted for Biden, he has no business owning a firearm.This.

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[Rapier]

Usually a person that gives the other ultimatums in a marriage was dishonest from the start, otherwise, they accepted the person as they were and are. I have a few ex in-laws, I can spot the fakers pretty quick. Unfortunately the kids, do not seem to have much forethought about such things.

[GhostHawk]

Don I watched this happen with my wife in reverse.

When I met her she had nothing, and was a died in the wool liberal.
But I married her, and a year later moved her into a small house (Paid for, no mortgage) Proceeded to work 40 hours a week at a job and another 40 hours a week on the house. Rewired from the meter up, replumbed from the water meter ball valve. Cindy helped buy the appliances, small bequest from her grandmother. Washer, dryer, few years later a new fridge.

With every step taken she had stuff to lose, and adjusted her thinking. Now she's just as die hard conservative as I am. And can't understand how her daughter can be so liberal.

IMO once you have stuff to lose, your attitudes change.

Be patient. You might want to help them pay their house off early.

Cindy is a 5' 2" soft sweat heart, but threaten one of her loved ones and she is a Momma Grizzly bear that is afraid of nothing.

[MrWolf]

He voted for Biden, he has no business owning a firearm.

He caved to the pressure or drank the kool-aid BEFORE he actually got married three months ago. Realize he will probably not change and go from there. Good luck.

[Sasquatch-1]

Sorry to hear this. I have the opposite problem. Four teenage grandkids who keep me in the poor house reloading AR ammo for them. Both daughters and their husbands have carry permits.

You should get them involved in muzzle loaders. They have to load their own ammo and will not go through near as much supplies.

As for the original post, he needs to find out what she is passionate about and tell her "NO MORE." For example...If she is into shoes, three pair max. 1 for dress, 1 for kicking around and maybe a pair for winter.

Tell him he needs to get the ring removed from his nose.

[dverna]

Thanks for the input guys.

I too am also worried about how the marriage will 'develop'. But in the end, it is his life and his choices.

They have made more "stupid decisions" than this one. Closed on a house that was over valued and did not appraise high enough so they had to make up the difference in cash to get the mortgage approved. When they showed me the house, I knew it was overpriced but they went ahead and bought it anyway.

My son already owned a home that was nearly paid for.

They have not decided if they want kids and got married anyway. I see that becoming an "issue" down the road.

Like the locals say....a pubic hair can pull a freight train...

[slownsteady22]

I hope things work out for your son, and if they end up having kids there is always hope for them.

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[sharps4590]

Force is like a spring, it often recoils.

[gwpercle]

Reminds me of a local ( Baton Rouge) boy's old hit song ... " Take Time To Know Her " . (Percy Sledge)

I learned early in my life that my Mom and Dad knew a lot more about life than I did and I can honestly say they never gave me any bad advice ... thank goodness I was smart enough to take their advice .

I feel sorry for your boy ... He's got a long row to hoe .
Gary

Come to think of it , one of the first things I did was take my new "girlfriend" ( second date) shooting ... We both had fun ! Now all she had to do was pass the "Momma" test ... Mom and Dad both loved her ...been most happily married 48 years now !
Gary

[Jeff Michel]

Just the start, unless there some ground rules are set. My wife of 32 years wouldn't even consider telling me what I can and cannot do, but to be fair she has just as much rein as I do. Maybe that's why we've never had a cross word. Good luck to them both.

[Finster101]

When I met my wife 30+ years ago I was very into motorcycles and guns. She had never ridden a bike and grew to love it almost as much as I did. She began going to the range with me some and eventually got her concealed permit. Even though she does not enjoy shooting that much, she goes often enough to stay quite proficient. I cannot imagine spending my life with someone that does not share my passions let alone forbidding me to enjoy them. My question would be what in the world brought them together to begin with?

[Daekar]

This is one that I absolutely cannot relate to. There are so many gating factors for me. I could never marry a woman who was against the right to self-defense. I could never marry a woman who was so naïve that she didn't understand the danger posed by the government and other large power structures. I could never marry a woman who didn't understand the truth of "when seconds count, the police are just minutes away."

She doesn't have to shoot, she doesn't have to hunt, she doesn't even have to like it. But she does have to accept that owning and being proficient to some degree with weapons is part of a mature approach to the reality of life and human nature. She can remain a child if she must, but she cannot insist that I do so as well.

[Soundguy]

Ouch.. I couldn't marry an anti gun person. A gun neutral? sure.. then try to sway her.. but anti gun.. naw...

[HWooldridge]

My wife is a lifelong Dem and said the same thing to me when we were dating - I simply told her guns are part of my life and she would have to get used to them if she wanted to be with me. We will celebrate 43 years of marriage in a couple of weeks and have 4 grown sons who all know how to shoot - and the grandkids are learning as they grow older. My wife also learned to use a gun and has killed several varmints over the years.

Like others have said, this is one of those things that needs to be settled early on in the relationship.

[lightman]

My son married three months ago. He called me tonight and his liberal wife will not tolerate guns in the house.

Until my son voted for Biden, I gave him guns regularly for Christmas. When he turned 21, I told him he could have any pistol I owned and he selected a .45 Kimber.

So, in a few weeks, I will have a few more toys that I do not need. I have been downsizing for years and the last thing I need is more stuff to sell. All the guns are nice. At least they are not going to a pawn shop.

Not sure they will ever visit. I have guns all over the house.

If I have grandkids by them, I will never be able to teach them to shoot or hunt. I will be the last “gun nut” in the family.

This is sad on so many fronts! I suppose there is always hope that their kids (your Grandchildren) will enjoy being with you and keep an open mind about these things.

This would have been a deal breaker for me. I hope they find some middle ground and have a happy marriage.

[atr]

I married a liberal from Berkeley and we have stayed together now 50 years even though we have disagreements about certain social issues including the ownership and use of firearms, and the second amendment. We have both made adjustments in our thinking which I think is what it takes.
This issues your daughter-in-law raises should be discussed as a family. Both sides of the issue should at least respect the other's position. If the marriage is important to your son and daughter in law then they will make the adjustments necessary.
Best to them both.
atr

[memtb]

I am very sorry to hear of this! Sadly, this is the new generation! Obviously, your son was raised around firearms and is comfortable with them. Their huge differences will eventually cause a split…..hopefully no children will be involved when it happens!

If grandchildren do come along…..meet them in a park! Do not sell off everything……at least hold on until the divorce!

I guess that I’m a “soulless individual”……my children will not determine my life choices. I have a daughter that has tried to play that game…..it ain’t working!

My brother is a huge Harley fan…..owned 3 or more at various times. He dated a girl, they made a lot of road trips on the bike. They got married, within one week he comes home off of night shift, she meets him at the door explaining the bikes would be sold so the money could go to other things! She was escorted to the door that morning!End of story and marriage! memtb

[RogerDat]

Thanks for the input guys.

I too am also worried about how the marriage will 'develop'. But in the end, it is his life and his choices.

They have made more "stupid decisions" than this one. Closed on a house that was over valued and did not appraise high enough so they had to make up the difference in cash to get the mortgage approved. When they showed me the house, I knew it was overpriced but they went ahead and bought it anyway.

My son already owned a home that was nearly paid for.

They have not decided if they want kids and got married anyway. I see that becoming an "issue" down the road.

Like the locals say....a pubic hair can pull a freight train...

People mostly do what they want to do. If one partner decides to go along with a "decision" by the other such as no guns in the house then it usually means they were ok with it. Maybe not their own first choice or what they would do on their own but a trade-off they were willing to make.

I thought the idea of encouraging a training course was a good one. The simple argument is guns can be dangerous and learning how to deal with them safely from a qualified instructor rather from TV and movies has value. With at least a small potential that attitude will change if they find themselves in a group of similar people to themselves who seem to like and enjoy guns.

One has to make decisions about such things. We made sure when young grandkids were over there were no firearms accessible. Put a lock on our bedroom door since there was always a pistol there. If you want your grandkids to come over you may have to not have guns all over but confined to a space away from little hands and enquiring minds.

You can teach your grandkids a lot without teaching them a darn thing about firearms. I have one who really has no interest. Another that is seeking advice on gun safes vs. home security containers for his small but growing collection. I would think what you can teach about non-firearm related things would make stowing firearms while grandkids visit or locking your carry firearm in the vehicle when visiting them worthwhile. But it is a personal decision, an important one that I wish you well on.

I will say it is possibly of benefit and a lot easier to meet your son part way on this issue than it is to undraw a line in the sand you draw today. I have friends and family that don't shoot, they seem like good people. We just share things other than shooting, or reloading in common so we do and discuss other things when we get together. Works out fine.

[rondog]

All I can say is this marriage will be my only one, ain't never going to do it again.....I do NOT like it, but divorce is out of the question, I'm not giving up everything I have to sell it all off and give her half the money. And then pay alimony? Hell no.....

Worst mistake of my life.

[farmbif]

I'm no expert in relationship but been through a few in my time and what ive learned its best to have common interests. divorce and spinning the big alimony wheel is no fun.
my lady likes pink guns and pink camo and that's just fine for me.

[beechbum444]

There is a much bigger issue here. It's about control, that usually stems from insecurities. Women learn this game early on and love to play it with their men for the same reason a cat plays with a string when its dangled. Advice.....Are they a christian couple??? Scripture talks all about a man runs the house....etc....If shes liberal and pro choice, he could always says this is an example of one being exerting their control over another......etc..........or you could just ask him how it feels to live under a communist dictatorship, because all of his money, wealth and assets are being held by someone else and the smaller life decisions are also being dictated to him....

in the end , love is blind and will make you do crazy stuff

[.429&H110]

Like the locals say....a pubic hair can pull a freight train...[/QUOTE]

OH!Man!
Wife and I are still laughing at that.
Our boys were certainly "pulled".

In NH the story goes
A dog was crossing the tracks, a train ran over his tail.
Dog turned to sniff, next train cut off his head.
Moral? Don't lose your head to a piece of tail...

Dele that if too lewd, that's what I taught them.
My boys didn't pay much attention either.

[recumbent]

Keep the guns and give them back to him after the divorce.

[popper]

liberal-hippy wife - his choice, his problem. Unfortunately, many more to come. Can't shoot Bambi - your problem. Yes I know folks that won't allow guns (for SD) in the house as they choose not to shoot somebody. Well, their choice/problem. 911 is only an hour away.

[Outpost75]

Wanted

Woman to keep house, clean fish, cut wood and cook game. Must like dogs. Bitch hound with good nose for bear would be great. Cat tolerated if a good mouser that gets along with my dogs. Mop, broom, wringer washer, woodstove, chainsaw, axe, fishing pole and pickup provided. Having own dog, boat and motor a plus. Serious inqueries please send pictures of dog, boat and motor.

[dverna]

There is a much bigger issue here. It's about control, that usually stems from insecurities. Women learn this game early on and love to play it with their men for the same reason a cat plays with a string when its dangled. Advice.....Are they a christian couple??? Scripture talks all about a man runs the house....etc....If shes liberal and pro choice, he could always says this is an example of one being exerting their control over another......etc..........or you could just ask him how it feels to live under a communist dictatorship, because all of his money, wealth and assets are being held by someone else and the smaller life decisions are also being dictated to him....

in the end , love is blind and will make you do crazy stuff

The lady is a strict Orthodox Jew. They cannot drive on the Sabbeth and must walk to the synagogue. He converted to her faith and was not a Christian. He said he did not convert to marry her but I doubt that. He knows I accepted Christ a few years ago so maybe it was his way of finding God. If so, I am thankful for that.

I cannot understand not wanting to be able to defend your life and the lives of those you love. My son was not raised like that. He got a carry permit years ago without any pressure from me.

BTW, it is encouraging to hear from those of you who married "gun haters" and were able to either make it work, or got their spouses into shooting.

I will have a hard time selling off some the guns my son is giving up, especially the Kimber. he got for his 21st BD. I will probably keep it and the 10/22 I had modified for my other son. My other son is mentally challenged and the 10/22 was his 16th BD present. He could not keep the gun at home, so his brother had custody of it. I really have no use for the rest.

I will let things simmer down and see if he wants me to keep any for "down the road" or cash them out. I will pay him for the guns I want to keep if he decides to get rid of them "permanently".

[MT Gianni]

A man marries a woman hoping she will never change. A woman marries a man hoping she can change him.

[Tripplebeards]

I hate to say it but that’s a marriage that probably won’t last. When your spouse out of the clear blue starts telling you that you are not aloud to own or do things you love will eventually lead to resentment. I am still single because I make sure to date someone long enough to find all the “skeletons in the closet” so I weed out an issue like this and send the person down the road. Sounds like a first date question to me. Do you like, or are OK, with hunting and shooting? If not there’s not a second date. Just adopt me so I can play with all the guns you have no use for any more.lol. Like said above, hold onto his guns because after the divorce the 2nd wife will probably like them.

[waksupi]

If she is already making ultimatums, may as well get the divorce over now. It won't end.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Women, especially Liberal women, often times have a "moment of awakening" event, that will change their mind on such things as guns in the house. Like, living in a dangerous neighborhood and eye witnessing one too many violent crimes ...Or maybe just the birth of the first child. A Momma can be pretty protective of her young.

[TyGuy]

My wife-to-be cried the first time she saw one of my firearms. Mind you, her grandfather had recently taken his own life with one so much could be linked to that trauma. I put the rifle away and let the situation cool down. Eventually she came with me to our family farm and watched me shoot. I stuck with .22 shorts so she would be more comfortable with it. The next time we went I asked if she’d like to take a shot. She was nervous but willing so I explained safe handling procedures and the rules and then let her take her first shot. She now has 3 firearms of her own and a handful of deer and squirrels under her belt. As someone else mentioned, experience removes the black magic voodoo and mystery more often than not.

[beechbum444]

i can honestly say that i do not know the ins and outs of "Strict Orthodox Jews", part of me thinks that its all just a test by the man himself to see if we can all get along, in that Christianity is fragmented.....Catholics, Baptists, Methodist, Church of Latter Day Saints......etc...etc. In being that it seems to be an older part of the Jewish faith, one could deduce in like old times and new times, the man is the head of the house and has the final say in house hold manners, I could go on and on , but Im going to digress, we have all done crazy things for love ............regards

[Gator 45/70]

My wife is nagging me to bring her to the range,What's a poor fellow to do?

[1Hawkeye]

My wife is nagging me to bring her to the range,What's a poor fellow to do?

Be greatful and thank the man upstairs.:D

[GOPHER SLAYER]

I traveled to Tennessee to meet my girlfriend's family. I took along a Ruger 22 pistol. I wanted to make sure keeping guns in our house would be no problem. On about the second day I asked my intended if there was a place we could shoot. She directed me to the local dump which was unsupervised. She had never fired any firearm in her life, but I soon found out, she was a great shot with a pistol. No problem there. Definitely a keeper. That was in 1958. We were married that year and many guns later she is still with me.

[.429&H110]

We do change, mostly like a tree grows, slowly.
Sometimes the wind blows to test our roots.

Around here a woman can certainly change her husband. It Depends...
Up the street, an old woman taught her husband not to speak. He has Alzheimer's worse than I do, so she does all the talking necessary. Get him in church, with men, he is quite the talkative old Christian.

I'm glad I married my Swede so she could teach me to shoot.
Putin must be nuts, he threatened a Swede. They don't forget.
Vikings sailed the Danube a thousand years ago. Do not get them angry.

[NSB]

Don, no one on here can give you any advice to make it better. This is about your grown son, a man. He has to live his own life and make his own decisions. It’s not anything you did or didn’t do. I have a really good friend who has two sons. One loves to hunt and shoot and the other one is gay and has no interest in guns or hunting. It’s just the way it is. It’s not political, it’s not religious, it’s just a case of “it is what it is”. Way too many things make us what we are. Let your son make his own decisions, and live his own life. Just be there if he ever needs you. He’s still your son so just love him for who he is. I’m sure he still loves you just as he always did.

[Glwenzl]

Don, no one on here can give you any advice to make it better. This is about your grown son, a man. He has to live his own life and make his own decisions. It’s not anything you did or didn’t do. I have a really good friend who has two sons. One loves to hunt and shoot and the other one is gay and has no interest in guns or hunting. It’s just the way it is. It’s not political, it’s not religious, it’s just a case of “it is what it is”. Way too many things make us what we are. Let your son make his own decisions, and live his own life. Just be there if he ever needs you. He’s still your son so just love him for who he is. I’m sure he still loves you just as he always did.

Nicely said

[warren5421]

I have been married to my second wife for 22 years. First wife died when she was 39. A few months after marring her she started in on guns. I looked at her an said " Guns were in my life when you ment me and the will be in my life when I die. Will you?" No kids with her and no propity and I was not interested in changing.

[ohen cepel]

I made it VERY clear when I was dating what things were a no-go. I had 3 or 4 questions I would ask or bring up on a first date. If she was a wing nut or we didn't agree on those points there was no 2nd date. Life is to short to live it that way! Also, MILLIONS or billions of possible partners out there for a fella.

[Winger Ed.]

A man marries a woman hoping she will never change. A woman marries a man hoping she can change him.

A ways on the down the road--

The woman often realizes she can't change him, and he realizes she did.

[Daekar]

I think sometimes husband and wife can grow together. My wife and I have learned a lot from each other, and a lot of the time that growth came from taking an interest in the interests of the other person or trying to see things from their point of view. I was totally hopeless at reading people and communicating subtly before she taught me... Jane Austen stuff was a great teaching aid for that.

You don't have to marry someone smarter than you to learn from them, either. My wife and I are pretty evenly matched, but her strengths aren't the same as mine. It's great to be able to take the lead on some things and defer to her on others because she knows what she's taking about.

[Kenstone]

Is this the first decision she’s made for him or just the latest? There’s no woman worth giving up who you are.

Did you miss the part where he said his son voted for Biden ? :confused:
He's already "given up on who he is"...gone.
:(
.

[imashooter2]

Did you miss the part where he said his son voted for Biden ? :confused:
He's already "given up on who he is"...gone.
:(
.

There were plenty of people voted for Biden because Trump didn’t have the good sense to stop Tweeting. Doesn’t make them bad people. Just foolish.

[M-Tecs]

There were plenty of people voted for Biden because Trump didn’t have the good sense to stop Tweeting. Doesn’t make them bad people. Just foolish.

On that we will have to disagree.

Biden and the left made no secret of their agenda. It was and is an anti-American agenda. Voting for the destruction of tradition American values, the economy, the energy sector, the agriculture sector, the border, the Constitution, the First and Second Amendments just to name a few makes them very bad people. Most of the people that voted for Beijing Xiden knew is was seriously compromised by China and they voted for him anyway.

These same people are pushing for a hot war with Russian. Russian has stated they will go nuclear if needed. It was never about Trump it has always been about the lefts hate for America. Yes they are very bad people.

[imashooter2]

Really? Idiocy is not evil. The drumbeat from the media was that Biden was a centrist with long and distinguished service while Trump was a big old meanie. Unless you looked somewhere other than the mainstream media, the real agenda was well hidden.

[Three44s]

I learned on our very first date that my wife was a believer in owning firearms and a staunch defender of the 2A!

We get along very well!

Three44s

[M-Tecs]

Really? Idiocy is not evil. The drumbeat from the media was that Biden was a centrist with long and distinguished service while Trump was a big old meanie. Unless you looked somewhere other than the mainstream media, the real agenda was well hidden.

Biden made it very clear per his own words what is agenda was. If you watched Biden on the Campaign trail or the debates it was far from hidden. People chose not to hear what Biden was saying.

Biden has made clear he wants to "end" fossil fuels, saying they would have "no place" in a Biden presidency.

Biden admitted he would willingly "sacrifice" "hundreds of thousands" of fossil fuel jobs in pursuit of his anti-energy agenda.

Biden admitted his anti-energy plan goes "beyond" what even Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has proposed.

Biden's stated he wanted to eliminate oil, gas, and coal from the U.S. power grid by 2035. He openly admitted it would have devastating consequences for workers and families across the country. Some of my union coal working friend flat stated he was just saying that and didn't really mean it. They are now unemployed and one is currently going thru bankruptcy.

Same for his open border policies.

Same for the 2nd Amendment.

[imashooter2]

And his own words weren’t widely disseminated by a media bent on getting him elected. You know these things because you are on gun boards and watch alternative media. The average Joe was spoon fed pablum by the networks and papers.

[M-Tecs]

This sums up the justifications I have heard for voting Brandon.

"He didn't say that, and if he did, he didn't mean it. If he did mean it and you don't agree with it it's you that doesn't understand. If you did understand and don't agree it's not a big deal since others have done and said much worse."

The end result is laid out here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNjRi5AJ53s&list=PLlTLHnxSVuIzrARlmz9oCfQEF08UV-v-E&index=1

[abunaitoo]

Sounds like he made the wrong choice.
If she makes him give up something he loves, what will be next.
If she doesn't respect him enough to visit his father, it's looking like a one way marriage.
Knew a guy who made the same mistake.
With the divorce, he's going to be paying her for the rest of his life.
Doesn't even get to see his kids because she moved off island.
Sad

[fixit]

Not saying she is, though considering what's visible from this angle I wouldn't be surprised, but many, or most, women will use sex to control their husbands. It is a very bad president for a marriage if it works, and a wise man won't allow that behavior. Having said that, I've found that perhaps most men think with the wrong head, and by doing so create much trouble for themselves, their families, and the world.

[Jsm180]

There were plenty of people voted for Biden because Trump didn’t have the good sense to stop Tweeting. Doesn’t make them bad people. Just foolish.

And that is exactly why Biden voters should not own firearms.

[Thumbcocker]

You marry 3 people. The person as you think they are. The person as they really are. The person they become.

[johnsonian09]

Hey Don,
I’m the only “gun guy” in the family. And that all changed over a fire in the yard with a good meal with the family and friends. Put out a target, mini safety lesson with supervison got my mom shooting a 22 rifle with colibris. Quiet and comfy putting holes in paper. And then everyone else wanted to try too.

Introducing them to the fun side, and not tackling the politicized thinking out guns will open more doors and build rapport and respect. Ideals change from time and experience. Not from logical debate. Don’t make guns about 2a, or fighting anything. Just good fun. Just keep it light hearted fun. Hell, even I get tired of listening to tactical prepped lone wolf survivalist yada yada. While it’s good to be prepared for the worst we shouldn’t dwell on it constantly. Life it too short to spend our time worrying about it ending all the time.

You have to convince the heart first.

Keep guns a fun part in your life, and theirs if you can. Then maybe she will decide a 12 gauge or a rifle in the house isn’t so bad. And god forbid if something bad happens and he or she is forced to defend each other using that same thing that was once a toy but now a tool to keep their loved one safe.

Guns shouldn’t have ever been made a political issue anyway. Both sides will use them anyway.


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[MrWolf]

The lady is a strict Orthodox Jew. They cannot drive on the Sabbeth and must walk to the synagogue. He converted to her faith and was not a Christian. He said he did not convert to marry her but I doubt that. He knows I accepted Christ a few years ago so maybe it was his way of finding God. If so, I am thankful for that.

I cannot understand not wanting to be able to defend your life and the lives of those you love. My son was not raised like that. He got a carry permit years ago without any pressure from me.

BTW, it is encouraging to hear from those of you who married "gun haters" and were able to either make it work, or got their spouses into shooting.

I will have a hard time selling off some the guns my son is giving up, especially the Kimber. he got for his 21st BD. I will probably keep it and the 10/22 I had modified for my other son. My other son is mentally challenged and the 10/22 was his 16th BD present. He could not keep the gun at home, so his brother had custody of it. I really have no use for the rest.

I will let things simmer down and see if he wants me to keep any for "down the road" or cash them out. I will pay him for the guns I want to keep if he decides to get rid of them "permanently".

Converting and FOLLOWING the requirements can be a strain all on its own. My cousin converted and ended up getting a divorce. Not saying it was from the conversion but it can add to existing issues. I would hold on to the guns if you can. Things can change and probably will.

[memtb]

You marry 3 people. The person as you think they are. The person as they really are. The person they become.


Wow! Spot on! memtb

[NSB]

Notice how some people have to politicize everything every chance they get? How is Biden responsible for any dissent in the marriage being discussed? Did he arrange the marriage? Was he the Best Man? Some people offer advice that’s worth exactly what you paid for it…….Nothing. I don’t recall Trump’s immoral behavior saving any marriages. I’d leave politics where it belongs and it’s not here.

[MostlyLeverGuns]

Hunting and guns were a consideration, even back in high school. My lady was tested, both for me going off hunting and shooting. My first wife passed the tests. It has been 52 years and she is still my first (and only) wife. We still hunt together. CHOOSE WISELY.

[1hole]

My son married three months ago. He called me tonight and his liberal wife will not tolerate guns in the house.

Until my son voted for Biden, ...

Sorry man, I know that has to hurt.

A ship can only have one captain and a home can only have one in charge; anything different will eventually destroy itself. It appears your son has chosen to be second in command of his home and that's not a comfortable place for a man to live; liberal women have souls crying to crush everyone around them. AND, in marriage, it establishes a home where they aren't happy either.

Foul mouth screaming is a second language to most liberal women and they aren't good company. Seems they simply can't have enough power over other people's lives to be happy! (See: "Nancy Pelosi".) Loosing his guns aren't the only lifestyle demand he will get from her.

----------------------------------------------
Don, it's none of my business, and I don't like divorce, but if a son of mine were in the dark hole (figuratively) your son is in I'd tell him to "RUN AWAY, NOW!" because that hole certainly isn't going to get better with time.

Did he really vote for Biden? :(

[WRideout]

Don, I empathize with your situation. Things turn out as they will, and there isn't much you can do about it. In the meantime, there are probably other ways you can continue your relationship with your son, and possibly build one with your daughter-in-law. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm preaching.

FWIW, a few days before Betsy and I were married (second for both of us) I moved my belongings into her home. This included about five pounds of smokeless gunpowder, boxes of loaded ammunition, and a small arsenal of guns. When she did not object, I knew this one would work. Since then, I have taught her to shoot my .22 pistol, and we sometimes go to the range together with friends. I once infuriated her ex by leaving some of my guns in the living room. I did enjoy that.

Wayne

[Alan in Vermont]

Not saying she is, though considering what's visible from this angle I wouldn't be surprised, but many, or most, women will use sex to control their husbands.

When the urge to copulate becomes overwhelming he'd be better off to slam it in a door instead!

[warren5421]

They better find someone to talk to about marriage not related to either as I would say it will be divorce time or two people hating each other or both.

[yeahbub]

As for identifying who would make a good match and how to prevent the sometimes Jekyl/Hyde transformation which makes one wonder who this person actually is, I have no confidence in anything but prayer for guidance and spending enough time with them to get past their "public face" that's all sugar-and-spice-and-everything-nice. And questioning my own proclivities in that regard. There have been time when I surprised myself with my own responses to someone's suggestions. She wanted to "discover" her nieces and nephews Easter baskets "for them" and I felt like the universe had been violated. Seemed like insulting the kids to me.


As someone else mentioned, experience removes the black magic voodoo and mystery more often than not

Indeed! An introduction broken down in manageable stages for those whose only exposure is having been steeped in the MSM cool-aid about guns goes a long way toward doing away with delusional misconceptions about what they are and are capable of. Once the newly-introduced know enough to see that they are safely being instructed, the new confidence paves the way for more knowledge - and the former "certainty" of pain, destruction, carnage and death begin to evaporate while wary curiosity generally begins to show.

I went out with a gal once who proudly stated, "There will NEVER be a gun in my house!" She was one who I never got the opportunity to test the educational waters with, but I got the impression that her attitude was pretty much etched in stone. That looked like the writing on the wall and there were other issues of concern, so our association was allowed to pass into history. There were a number of others, though, who took to learning to shoot with great enthusiasm once they got safety down. One small woman pronounced the 1911 as her favorite. Did pretty well with it, too. Another gal, a Mennonite had been taught that guns are the tools of the devil! No joy is to be taken in any association with them! And here she was, sponsoring a group of Boy Scouts in a visit to Friendship where I was assisting in teaching ML safety and shooting on the off-hand line. Very concerned that the Scouts were enthusiastically enjoying themselves, and then she tried it herself. She was off to the races after she put a few holes in the target herself and that smile of "new discovery" was plain. Still said she felt a little guilty about enjoying it so much. . . . Too bad she was already spoken for.

[725]

Hate to give advice. They can live the life they want. Well, at least until thugs enter their home w/ evil intent. I teach firearm safety kids at a local boys & girls camp along with muzzleloading. They all have to sit through my safety stuff which includes the thought that they don't have to like guns, but they do have to know gun safety. Whether it's a gun in their house, a house of a friend, a party, some other gathering, guns are a reality, pure and simple. Guns are around and they need to know how to be around guns. Almost without exception, after the lecture stops and the range begins, they all start having fun. I just hope something along those lines can/will apply to the closed minded you are dealing with.

[dverna]

I have drafted a letter and sent it to a gentleman I respect on this forum for comments and suggestions.

I have a sizable inventory of stuff I had planned to bequeath to my son. I will be liquidating most of it. It would be a PITA for my son to dispose of as we live over 200 miles apart. Most of the guns will go on Gunbroker but the other things will get posted here or on eBay.

Funny thing. I realized I was justifying keeping a lot of stuff thinking it would be a legacy to be appreciated when I finally "went home". Now I fear it will be sold for $.25 on the dollar just to get rid of the "junk".

As to the chances of his marriage succeeding, way too early to tell. I know a guy who is completely controlled by his wife of 40+ years and he says he is happy. Some men are like that, and it works for them.

[1hole]

... I know a guy who is completely controlled by his wife of 40+ years and he says he is happy. Some men are like that, and it works for them.

40 years of emasculation and he claims to be "happy"? I've known several men like that but not many and they lied about other things too. But the pulling power of pubic hair cannot be denied.

[1hole]

... I know a guy who is completely controlled by his wife of 40+ years and he says he is happy. Some men are like that, and it works for them.

40 years of emasculation and he claims to be "happy"? I've known several men like that but not many and they lied about other things too. But the whipping power of pubic hair cannot be denied.

[Ford SD]

I would not do anything drastic at this time .... if you were going to sell something before this happened sell it... but

Hold off if you can for 6 months to a year ... then rethink it.

Things Change


I have drafted a letter and sent it to a gentleman I respect on this forum for comments and suggestions.

I have a sizable inventory of stuff I had planned to bequeath to my son. I will be liquidating most of it. It would be a PITA for my son to dispose of as we live over 200 miles apart. Most of the guns will go on Gunbroker but the other things will get posted here or on eBay.

Funny thing. I realized I was justifying keeping a lot of stuff thinking it would be a legacy to be appreciated when I finally "went home". Now I fear it will be sold for $.25 on the dollar just to get rid of the "junk".

As to the chances of his marriage succeeding, way too early to tell. I know a guy who is completely controlled by his wife of 40+ years and he says he is happy. Some men are like that, and it works for them.

[fatelk]

Sorry to hear about your son's troubles; hope things work out for him one way or another.

We are all products of our environment- our ideals are shaped by our friends, coworkers, acquaintances- the voices we listen to and sources we trust. My kids are relatively young yet, and I worry about setting them on the right path in life. I fully realize that there will come a point where they will make their own way and choose their own values and beliefs. My oldest will be 18 later this year, and occasionally talks to my wife and I about various political and social issues. I worry that she is unduly influences in her views by friends, internet, culture as a whole. At least she talks to us about it, so there's still a chance to balance that influence. It's frustrating to think that you've done your very best to raise them right, only to realize that at some point, they will be their own person.

Some time after we were first married (20 years this year), she told me that one of her friends asked her when she was going to make me get rid of my guns. She said that she replied emphatically "WHY would I ever even TRY to do that?!" She let her friend know that that was just about the dumbest thing she'd ever heard. I wouldn't try to force her to change either.

[downzero]

If your son voted for Biden, he's lost anyway. It'd be one thing if we were talking about a moderate democrat, but gun control was part of his platform. No self respecting gun owner voted for Biden.

[M-Tecs]

If your son voted for Biden, he's lost anyway. It'd be one thing if we were talking about a moderate democrat, but gun control was part of his platform. No self respecting gun owner voted for Biden.

Agreed but his platform was very anti-American in general. No self-respecting American voted for Biden.

[Willie T]

I feel for your son sir. The power of female persuasion can have a powerful influence over a young man. A lot of young men have been rendered temporarily blind. There is a good chance your son will come to his senses though. Hang on to his firearms and the legacy you intend to leave him. In time the “Vudoo Cat” will lose its power of mind control over him and his eyes will open back up.
Willie

[snowwolfe]

He needs to divorce her now instead of waiting far other five years when it will cost him more.
It’s only going to get worse so might as well break away now.

[alamogunr]

My first(and last) wife doesn't like guns either. We will have been married 56 years twelve days after my 80th birthday. She only has a comment when the Brown Truck stops in front of the house.

Both sons shoot although only the older hunts. The younger son is a college professor and has already indicated that he wants first dibs on all the milsurps(not an inconsiderable number). One daughter-in-law is not crazy about guns but didn't say anything when I gave the grandsons handguns for Christmas. The other daughter-in-law is considering getting her carry permit.

I can't say that I agree with everything they decide about their lives, but that is their business. I'm glad that when I'm gone, all my gun stuff(except for what I sell before then) will continue to be used.

[jsizemore]

I got a friend that has hunted his whole life. Used to have the state non-typical state record until recently. His son met his wife at good old liberal UNC-CH. Lots of pics of shiny teeth at frat and sorority parties with a drink in hand. Got married and no guns and after 2 children limited visits to grandpa's house with all the guns. Eventually a divorce happened when the youngest grandkid was in college. Both remarried. The ex-wife now deer hunts with her new husband. Has her own rifle and shotgun. Appears the new husband came equipped with testicles. Grandkids visit grandpa on a regular basis with no issues.

[M-Tecs]

I got a friend that has hunted his whole life. Used to have the state non-typical state record until recently. His son met his wife at good old liberal UNC-CH. Lots of pics of shiny teeth at frat and sorority parties with a drink in hand. Got married and no guns and after 2 children limited visits to grandpa's house with all the guns. Eventually a divorce happened when the youngest grandkid was in college. Both remarried. The ex-wife now deer hunts with her new husband. Has her own rifle and shotgun. Appears the new husband came equipped with testicles. Grandkids visit grandpa on a regular basis with no issues.

I am willing to bet that marriage has a much better chance of surviving. Respect for each other and each others views is the foundation of a good relationship. It's hard for most people to respect someone that can not stand up for themselves. If they won't or can't stand up for themselves they will not stand up for someone else.

[unclemikeinct]

Hunting and guns were a consideration, even back in high school. My lady was tested, both for me going off hunting and shooting. My first wife passed the tests. It has been 52 years and she is still my first (and only) wife. We still hunt together. CHOOSE WISELY.

What he said young fellas. My Marriage vows were something like this. "Woman, with-it thou go-est [fishing n hunting] & thou shall not weigh more than sir." Big Grin guys, she has a sense of humor. but it holds true. we have been doing the trout fishing thing lately. uncle mike

[dverna]

I have received good advice from a member here that has made me realize my relationship with my son is more important than whether he keeps his guns or if he has a set of testicles.

My son is old enough to run his life as he sees fit. I do not have to agree with his choices, and it is wrong for me to impose my perspectives.

I have failed to raise him with my values wrt gun ownership and political beliefs. But it is what it is.

I will hold on to his guns for a reasonable period of time in case things change and start selling the bulk of the stuff he would have inherited.

BTW, I agree with the "hard liners" who have posted their opinions. I would never allow a woman to control me like that. I believe my son and his wife have a strong religious commitment that will help their marriage, so the chances of divorce are minimal at this point. If I push too hard, I will alienate them. If they have children, I would not see my grandkids much if at all.

[pmer]

I wonder if this started with DIL taking to one of her friends about kids and the "dangers of guns in the house" when kids come along.

I hope Don holds on to the Kimber in case things turn around. But I agree with what Don just posted.

[white eagle]

There is a popular meme for just this situation but dealing with motorcycles.
"Honey, I don't want you to buy any more motorcycles."
"Wow, you are starting to sound like my ex wife."
"I didn't think you had been married before."
"I haven't."

well said
great way to handle that

[Big Tom]

If he thinks his wife is worth giving up his hobby, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Also, voting Democrats is something they need to decide on on their own and it - in my books - does not make somebody a bad person if they have a different opinion than me. Family relationships are just more important than firearms or political opinions. Voting habit as well as stance towards firearms may change, family bonds (should) stay forever.

[Handloader109]

Yeah, I'd just sell it all off.. If he's brought them back and doesn't seem to have any regrets, then they are totally gone.

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[jsizemore]

A friend told me to stay married you shouldn't fight about anything important. He was a marriage counselor.

Another said he wore the pants in the family but his wife told him which ones to put on. He was a judge.

[dverna]

I sent my son an email this morning. Due to his faith, he will not be able to read it until late tonight.

I have suggested I keep his guns for three years in case he changes his mind. If he decides he wants to cash out the guns/scopes now, I will sell them and give him the proceeds. I will keep the Kimber I gave him on his 21st BD and the customized 10/22 I built for his mentally challenged brother for his 16th BD (my older son was holding it for him). I will give him fair market value for the .45 and if my mentally challenged son does not want the 10/22 I will give him what it is worth. Those two guns mean too much to me to sell. (This after I decided to get out of .45's and sold my two Kimbers a short while ago....fate does throw us curve balls...LOL)

I had already decided to give my fiancé a few more guns to round out her self-defense and recreational shooting needs. If her grandkids have an interest in guns, they will get a few as they get older. The rest of the guns I was holding as his legacy will be sold, as well as other stuff I have accumulated over the years.

I have been thinning the herd for a while. Now I have more crap to sell. It is sad that what I thought was valuable, and would be appreciated, is considered useless and a PITA.

And to think I was feeling a bit guilty about selling over 100k primers last year. I have been waiting for prices to return to normal and stock back up so my son would have a good supply of stuff when I passed on. Not going to be an issue anymore.

My good friend and trap shooting buddy is already benefiting. He wants about $5k of my shotgun components. I plan to visit him in MN at the beginning of June if my little heart procedure goes well next week. He was one of the men who brought me to Christ. He is getting a good deal.

[Thumbcocker]

I would not give up. I have taken women who are liberal democrat lawyers shooting. They had a great time.

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[rbuck351]

Some where in our growing up period we all make the choice of whether we will rule our self or let someone rule us. It is our choice as it should be and we should be willing and able to live with our decisions. Both of my sons have made choices that I don't like but at this point I have to stand by and watch. I believe that you have come to a reasonable decision but, it's not my decision to make. I hope the best outcome for you and your family. Good luck.

[Bmi48219]

i can honestly say that i do not know the ins and outs of "Strict Orthodox Jews"…… In being that it seems to be an older part of the Jewish faith, one could deduce in like old times and new times, the man is the head of the house and has the final say in house hold manners,

I can’t speak to the ‘older part of Jewish faith’ but in my experience the Jewish wife is by far the more dominant in family affairs. My ex was Jewish, she didn’t fit the mold but her mother and grandmothers did keep their men on a short lease. Not saying this is a fact but starting from an early age females got the ‘princess treatment’ and that amount of deference is bound to have a lasting effect.
In Judaism descent is traced through the maternal line, especially when the husband is not Jewish. From a preference standpoint, all but one of the ex’s uncles married gentiles. Again, I’m not being judgmental about the customs of others.

My wife of 36 years was neither political or constitutional when we met. She is hard core conservative now. Has no interest in hunting but is more than ready to defend her family. A winner in my book.

[M-Tecs]

I sent my son an email this morning. Due to his faith, he will not be able to read it until late tonight.

I have suggested I keep his guns for three years in case he changes his mind. If he decides he wants to cash out the guns/scopes now, I will sell them and give him the proceeds. I will keep the Kimber I gave him on his 21st BD and the customized 10/22 I built for his mentally challenged brother for his 16th BD (my older son was holding it for him). I will give him fair market value for the .45 and if my mentally challenged son does not want the 10/22 I will give him what it is worth. Those two guns mean too much to me to sell. (This after I decided to get out of .45's and sold my two Kimbers a short while ago....fate does throw us curve balls...LOL)

I had already decided to give my fiancé a few more guns to round out her self-defense and recreational shooting needs. If her grandkids have an interest in guns, they will get a few as they get older. The rest of the guns I was holding as his legacy will be sold, as well as other stuff I have accumulated over the years.

I have been thinning the herd for a while. Now I have more crap to sell. It is sad that what I thought was valuable, and would be appreciated, is considered useless and a PITA.

And to think I was feeling a bit guilty about selling over 100k primers last year. I have been waiting for prices to return to normal and stock back up so my son would have a good supply of stuff when I passed on. Not going to be an issue anymore.

My good friend and trap shooting buddy is already benefiting. He wants about $5k of my shotgun components. I plan to visit him in MN at the beginning of June if my little heart procedure goes well next week. He was one of the men who brought me to Christ. He is getting a good deal.

Sound like as a father you are doing as much as you can to respects and value his view. As a son he is not showing you the same. What part of MN are you going to be visting"

[elmacgyver0]

Don, I will not try to give you any advice.
To me guns are a big portion of my life, but in the grand scheme of things, not so much.
I do hope everything turns out ok with you and your son.
You may enjoy your guns and you may enjoy a great relationship with your son and his new wife.
The two may never mix, but that is life.
If you must keep them separate, so be it.
Good Luck.

[Kenstone]

I have received good advice from a member here that has made me realize my relationship with my son is more important than whether he keeps his guns or if he has a set of testicles.

My son is old enough to run his life as he sees fit. I do not have to agree with his choices, and it is wrong for me to impose my perspectives.

I have failed to raise him with my values wrt gun ownership and political beliefs. But it is what it is.

I will hold on to his guns for a reasonable period of time in case things change and start selling the bulk of the stuff he would have inherited.

BTW, I agree with the "hard liners" who have posted their opinions. I would never allow a woman to control me like that. I believe my son and his wife have a strong religious commitment that will help their marriage, so the chances of divorce are minimal at this point. If I push too hard, I will alienate them. If they have children, I would not see my grandkids much if at all.

Understood, you have to consider, down the road, those grandkids (and your son) will not be allowed to VISIT YOU because you have guns.
jmo,
.

[sparky45]

Kenstone nailed it!!!

[M-Tecs]

Understood, you have to consider, down the road, those grandkids (and your son) will not be allowed to VISIT YOU because you have guns.
jmo,
.

My first cousin went down that path. He owned a couple of guns and enjoyed them until he married a Jewish lady. We were always very close but she would not let him or their kids come over to my house ever.

[elmacgyver0]

Kenstone nailed it!!!

So, what exactly are you saying?
Don should give up his guns?
In my humble opinion that is not an option at this point.

[elmacgyver0]

My first cousin went down that path. He owned a couple of guns and enjoyed them until he married a Jewish lady. We were always very close but she would not let him or their kids come over to my house ever.

One would think any Jew at this point in time should know better.

[Handloader109]

You would assume so, but they don't.

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[dverna]

Sound like as a father you are doing as much as you can to respects and value his view. As a son he is not showing you the same. What part of MN are you going to be visting"

My buddy bought the place last year. I do not have his address yet but he told me it is on a lake near Duluth.

[M-Tecs]

One would think any Jew at this point in time should know better.

The difference between American and Israeli Jews is amazing. I have a couple of Jewish friends that are very strong 2nd advocates. They are in the minority. At least 90% of the American jews I know are anti-gun libs. The Israeli jews I know are 180 degrees opposite.

Just one example of the American version https://nypost.com/2022/05/06/nyc-jewish-heritage-museum-bans-florida-gov-ron-desantis/

Same for the resident lib here that voted for Beijing Xiden.

Let's go Brandon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[M-Tecs]

My buddy bought the place last year. I do not have his address yet but he told me it is on a lake near Duluth.

I was going to suggest getting together but that's too far out of my way.

[Outpost75]

Unfortunate that the bride is unfamiliar with history and how law abiding Jews were led to the gas chambers. The Israelis figured this out.

[Walks]

I read the 1st page of this to My Wife.
She said the Son should dump the wife and not the Guns.
A wife should accept her husband the way he is when she marries him and vice versa.
Telling him to dump his Guns AFTER the marriage is a big mistake on her part. She is just striving for Control of the marriage.
I was raised in a Jewish household. My Mother would've no more told My Father to get rid of His Guns, then told Him to run barefoot over broken glass.

However I did NOT marry a Jewish Girl. A Good Southern Babtist Girl is Who I married.
And I have a lot more guns then I did when I married Her 40 years ago, come next month.

Wimping out so early in the relationship is a BIG Mistake. She'll walk all over him and leave him after stomping his heart into the ground.

[indian joe]

I read the 1st page of this to My Wife.
She said the Son should dump the wife and not the Guns.
A wife should accept her husband the way he is when she marries him and vice versa.
Telling him to dump his Guns AFTER the marriage is a big mistake on her part. She is just striving for Control of the marriage.
I was raised in a Jewish household. My Mother would've no more told My Father to get rid of His Guns, then told Him to run barefoot over broken glass.

However I did NOT marry a Jewish Girl. A Good Southern Babtist Girl is Who I married.
And I have a lot more guns then I did when I married Her 40 years ago, come next month.

Wimping out so early in the relationship is a BIG Mistake. She'll walk all over him and leave him after stomping his heart into the ground.

Got it all in that last sentence I reckon! Sad but this marriage has already failed - its a dictatorship not a partnership

Mine is not a gun person at all - in near 50 years has never fired a shot (thats ok) - but she smart enough we never had that conversation above cuz we both knew how that would end - and she has been treasurer and sec / treasurer of our little blackpowder club for most of the last 25 years - got her own stuff going on socially as well - nobody gets walked on around here.

[dverna]

Is English your first language? If it is my statement says it all; if not I doubt you'd understand.
I'll try and type slower so you can pick up the gist; Don should do whatever he deems is right, but there will be potential problems if he keeps his firearms; that is if he cares to see grandkids.

I have no intention of ever getting rid of my firearms. If my daughter-in-law tried that, she will be dealing with a different person than my son. I am not rich, but I have a reasonable net worth. If they have children, and deny me access to them, the portion of my estate that was going to go to my son will go to my fiancé, In addition, I would remove my married son as the trustee of the Trust for my Special Needs son. They would lose all access to family money.

We will see how committed she is to liberal values when there is a price to pay. I will not be blackmailed and she cannot *****-whip me.

[sparky45]

Sorry you're in such a position Don, it's a real heartbreaker. Your daughter in law has and will continue to make this a monumental problem. As I stated above; " Don should do whatever he deems is right ".
I wouldn't do much different than what you're doing; after all you're left being "reactive", not "proactive". Best of luck to you.

[unclemikeinct]

Don, you are in our prayers. I would not be speaking about this issue any longer to my son. Your other boy w needs is your concern now. Get your own things in order. Along with a new Trust/trustee. uncle mike ..... actions speak louder than words.

[Sasquatch-1]

I would make sure I have in writing who is in charge of disposing of my estate after I pass. If for NO other reason than to prevent the DIL from trying to have all of your guns destroyed.

[bedbugbilly]

Don - sorry to hear this. I don't know your son nor his bride . . . , but hang on to his guns . . . . he's going to want them back sometime in the future,

I guess that 50 years of marriage make me enough of an expert to say and predict that their marriage isn't going to last. Marriage is a two way street and a 50/50 partnership where you have mutual respect for your spouse. I'm guessing she knew he had guns and enjoyed them before they got married so why this demand after 3 months? Maybe she figured she would "change" him? What is next> His friends? Keeping him from his father because you enjoy guns? When a spouse starts dictating conditions . . . whether the wife or the husband . . . they want to control the marriage and relationship which will destroy it 99% of the time.

Sounds to me like they really didn't know each other that well before they got married, Like I said . . . today it's about his guns and tomorrow it will be something else. . . . putting her family first . . . . his friends . . . . his interests . . . what they spend their money on, etc. Let's hope they wait on having kids until they both grow up and learn what marriage is all about . . . . too many kids from broken homes as it is. Liberal or not . . . it sounds like she is a spoiled and immature girl and your son may be that as well.

They both need to grow up, learn to communicate and realize that you put your spouse before yourself. If you now have his guns, then obviously they aren't mature enough to compromise . . if she doesn't like guns . . . easy enough . . . he will keep them in a locked cabinet. If she is dictating to him about his guns . . . it makes about as much sense as me telling my wife, who loves to quilt, that I don't like sewing machines and fabric and as a result, she has to get them all out of the house.

Unfortunately, as a parent, all you can do is stand back and let them figure out how their marriage is going to function . . . it will either sink or swim, All you can do is to make yourself available to you son and counsel him if he comes to you. Gook luck!

[farmbif]

things can change very quickly in this world of ours. who knows what the future holds, they might be joining the modern maccabee militia in the near future

[hithard]

Got it all in that last sentence I reckon! Sad but this marriage has already failed - its a dictatorship not a partnership

Mine is not a gun person at all - in near 50 years has never fired a shot (thats ok) - but she smart enough we never had that conversation above cuz we both knew how that would end - and she has been treasurer and sec / treasurer of our little blackpowder club for most of the last 25 years - got her own stuff going on socially as well - nobody gets walked on around here.

That first paragraph last sentence says it all!

Unless your in bed.

[Outpost75]

My assessment has always been that anti-gun Jews in America are not Democrats but arecdescended from Communists. Take that at face value.

[JoeJames]

Just kind of like the socialists who fled Europe after the revolutions of 1848, many of whom became officers in the Union Army - "I fights mit Sigel". And after the Rise of the Third Reich in Germany many of the same sort (certainly not all of the emigres) emigrated to the US before WW2. So may be some descendants of that sort. After all Lenin thought Germany would go Communist after WWI and invaded Poland to get through to Germany to help out his comrades.

[Newboy]

No guns in the house?

Before you know it she will demand he stop chasing wild women and coming home drunk!


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[Plate plinker]

She is Jewish (ironic she doesn’t know the history of her own people). Send her to Israel so she will learn what happens to people who can’t defend themselves.

[gwpercle]

Unfortunate that the bride is unfamiliar with history and how law abiding Jews were led to the gas chambers. The Israelis figured this out.

:goodpost:

[Thumbcocker]

Masada

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[Cosmic_Charlie]

I had a 30 something buddy who would take a new girl friend to a New Orleans Radiators rock show as a test to see if she was going to be worth the trouble. If she had a problem with it he would dump her.

[myg30]

Don, also sorry to hear you and your son in this lousy position.
A good friend of mine is very into firearms and his wife was not. Ignorance of them was her main reason. Safety and worried about any possibility of access to them by any children might be visiting them, again her ignorance of storing and basic firearm safty.
Then one night she woke up hearing what sounded like someone trying to get into their home, she woke my buddy who grabbed a pistol and flashlight and told her call 911, he went down to investigate the noise. Nothing found, turned all the lights on, set the pistol down and they both waited for the police to arrive. They did find outside where a screen was pulled loose from a window but nothing else.
After all said and done, wife said, boy I’m glad you had the pistol, I almost died waiting for the police to get here.
Now she has learned to shoot and safely handle a firearm.
I’m sure we all pray we never have to shoot anyone ever, and I’m sure we are all glad we have insurance coverages for our homes, cars etc.... just in case we ever need it, just like that pistol.

Mike

[SSGOldfart]

Give it some time she'll come around,it's your sons choice
I had the same problem with my D-I-L now she enjoys shooting and has a CCL I have one less 38spl and one less 870/20 ga. but it's worth the wait. my son is happy and that's all that counts [smilie=f:

[rbuck351]

No guns in the house. Not a problem. Keep them in a safe in the garage. Then when he wants to shoot she can go to the range with him or stay home.

[Nazgul]

My wife is a Hoosier farm girl, raised on hog farm. She reminds me regularly she knows what a castrating knife is and how to use it!!

Second date she noticed the handgun in the console and asked if I always had it with me. She was ok with yes. She can shoot, has a 45 Kimber and a nice S&W 642. Carries them regularly.

She is the strongest, most stable person I know, more so than I am. Lets me be myself and laughs at me......all the time....

Don

[flint45]

I would keep the guns and never ever marry a woman like that.

[jonp]

Boy this thread struck a chord. Wife's son was good. Liked shooting but didn't own a gun. Pro NRA and 2cd. Met and married a school teacher born and raised in NY. Talked him into being a teacher, too. Now wont let a gun in the house and voted for Biden. The power of women over men, unless the men have a very strong backbone is immense. Unfortunately, he doesn't

[jonp]

My wife is a Hoosier farm girl, raised on hog farm. She reminds me regularly she knows what a castrating knife is and how to use it!!

Second date she noticed the handgun in the console and asked if I always had it with me. She was ok with yes. She can shoot, has a 45 Kimber and a nice S&W 642. Carries them regularly.

She is the strongest, most stable person I know, more so than I am. Lets me be myself and laughs at me......all the time....

Don

Wife was raised by military lifer, first husband also retired but was never "into" firearms. Met me. The other day after i left for work she was sitting on the couch knitting when the wind blew a door open. She grabbed her Shield and investigated. Keeper

[Finster101]

Boy this thread struck a chord. Wife's son was good. Liked shooting but didn't own a gun. Pro NRA and 2cd. Met and married a school teacher born and raised in NY. Talked him into being a teacher, too. Now wont let a gun in the house and voted for Biden. The power of women over men, unless the men have a very strong backbone is immense. Unfortunately, he doesn't



I hate to say it, but I have lost friends over stuff like this. Seeing them have to ask for permission in everything he does or every dollar he spends and being told he can't go certain places like Hooters. I just can't seem to keep any respect for them. Don't get me wrong I don't do just anything, anytime like I did when I was single, but I wasn't asked or forced to give up who I was. If I am going to spend a fair amount of money I talk to my wife about it, if some buddy's want to go on a bike ride I ask if she has anything planned. I consider this common courtesy. I was not asked or forced to change for her nor she for me, if we have it is by choice and wanting to make the other happy over the 26 years we have been married.

[barnabus]

what a skank

[Cast10]

I’ve written three responses and deleted all of them……..Oh well, Best of Luck to ya!

[Wag]

Don, I'm saddened to hear your story. But I think that if he's happy, then you should be happy for him. That's all any father could really desire, I should think. Coming from a guy with no kids but I was a kid for a while.

My mother was a Missouri redneck and guns were a significant part of her childhood culture, mostly for bringing food to the table. She is now very anti-gun but doesn't press her views on the rest of her kids, from what I can tell. My father passed over 20 years ago and I think that allowed her to voice her opinions a little more readily.

I also have a sister who is RABIDLY anti-gun. Again, she was raised in a gun culture but I think she works for liberal-minded attorneys and has allowed her narrow anecdotal view of things to cloud her so-called "thinking."

I hope you are able to come to peace over it. Your last post seemed to be very close to where you want to be.

--Wag--

[dverna]

Wag, thanks for sharing.

This is the email I sent my son last weekend. He is OK with it:



Vince,

Thank you for not selling the guns you have acquired over the years. Two in particular I wish to keep until I pass. One is the Kimber I gave you for your 21st BD and the other is the 10/22 I built for Matt for his 16th BD. They hold a bit of a sentimental value for me. I will give you $xxxx for the Kimber as I just sold two Kimbers for $xxxx ea. I will talk to Matt about the 10/22 to see if he still wants it. If not, I will keep it and give him $xxx.

I am willing to store the rest of your guns for a reasonable period of time in case you change your mind. I am thinking three years if that is acceptable to you. After that, I would sell them and give you the proceeds. Or I can sell them ASAP and give you the proceeds now if you prefer. It is your call.

I have about $xx,xxx of guns, ammunition and reloading stuff I had bequeathed to you. I realize now this will be a burden instead of a legacy, so I will start divesting most of it. I planned to give Shari a Glock, Kahr, Hi-Point carbine and AR15 to round out her self-defense needs and a .22 rifle for plinking and varmint control. She already owns a 686+ revolver, Ruger .22 pistol and shotgun. If her grandkids show an interest, I will give them a few guns when they are ready.

You will still be left with a bunch of "stuff" to dispose of when I pass. I will try to maintain an inventory so you know what things are worth. Attached in the last inventory of guns and reloading stuff I did a few years ago. I have added some and deleted some since then, but it is a start.

Love
Dad

[popper]

Women from 'Day One' want to be in control. The amount of control differs. As long as they accept the limited amount of control they are allowed, no problem. Whether it is guns, motorcycles, job, what ever.

[Buzz Krumhunger]

Women marry men thinking they can change them
Men marry women thinking they will never change

[8mmFan]

Hang in there, Don. People do change from time to time. I married a city girl - her parents are/were morons in many ways, good in some others. They were/are anti-firearms. Immigrants that didn't have a clue of what the 2nd Amendment is or why it's so important. But...in their personal lives they were actually pretty conservative people. Religious, Dem's but not too bad of moochers, etc. ALL of this was unknown to me when I married my wife - I should have known, but I didn't investigate enough or dig enough to really find out. I'm glad I didn't.

Fast forward twenty years or so, and my wife has very conservative values. I've been reloading with my kids since they were very small. She knows that I have a more-than-passing interest in all things firearm, and let's me indulge my hobby. I used to take her shooting a little bit when we first started dating, and more after we got married. But nothing much. She's still not what you would call "into shooting," or "into firearms," but those things are by no means frowned upon in our house. And both of my sons earned their first .22 on their last day of Kindergarten, as will my daughter, shortly.

People can change. Don't be an a$$hole (doesn't sound like you are), let sleeping dogs lie for a good long while, and things may just turn out ok for you and your son on this issue.

As far as her telling your son "what he can do," well...that's a whole 'nuther ball of wax. Good luck!

8mmFan

[fixit]

I am blessed to have a wife who tolerates my time wasted on firearms, and am able to operate without much oversight of the female unit, although, she does wonder what to do with everything if I kick the bucket, as she doesn't know what I have or where it is. (Note to self, put together a contingency plan for survivers)

[ascast]

She: Now that we are married, you can get rid of all those guns.
He: Your starting to sound like my ex-wife
She: I did'nt know you were married before?
He: Silience GW

funny how that was not an issue before the legal entranglement best wishes

[rockrat]

I have a wife like "fixit". She dreads the day she has to go thru my "stuff"!!!

[alamogunr]

I am blessed to have a wife who tolerates my time wasted on firearms, and am able to operate without much oversight of the female unit, although, she does wonder what to do with everything if I kick the bucket, as she doesn't know what I have or where it is. (Note to self, put together a contingency plan for survivers)

I'm in that mode right now. I turn 80 in July and my wife is blissfully ignorant of what I have in the shop. The two sons know the important stuff but that is only about half. As soon as I figure out(with help) how to post pictures, I'm going to work on paring down the other half.

[Wag]

One of the better general suggestions I've come across lately is that you should tag all of your guns with a retail value and a "could sell for" value. It's not easy to figure a value anyway and you have to update it all the time, of course. That way, your spouse or heirs at least have an idea. If they sell under the duress of grief, they will at least have an idea of your expectations and try to stay reasonably close to that.

--Wag--