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MrKSB
04-18-2022, 10:33 AM
So I have 2# of Blackhorn 209, 4# of 3f BP and 2# of Titegroup

I also have large pistol primers (not magnum).

I’m tryin to decide of what powder to use.

This is a hunting load for eastern whitetail using a 255grn lead FRN cast bullet. I’m not punching paper, I’m punching meat at 75 yards or less.

I’ve “read” that I absolutely need magnum primers for B209, is that true?

I’d like to use the B209, as I like to use my BP for my flintlock.

What say y’all?

Nobade
04-18-2022, 11:39 AM
I say go with the BH209. Even if those bullets are made out of a modern hard alloy with smokeless lube, they'll be fine with it. No reason those primers won't fire it just fine and you'll get better ballistics than you would with Titegroup. Easy choice and save the real powder for the flintlock.

MrKSB
04-18-2022, 11:52 AM
Thank you sir!

Blackhorn is easy for me to get locally AND is still cheaper than buying smokeless online and paying for shipping.

Edward
04-18-2022, 12:03 PM
I use standard CCI /Fed 209;nothing else needed /Ed

MrKSB
04-18-2022, 12:09 PM
Can I use Liquid Alox with B209? Will I still need to pan lube?

Soundguy
04-18-2022, 12:10 PM
What gun is this 45lc? Can it handle ruger/t.v. loads?
If it was me I'd go titegroup all day long. Even with non ruger loads..5.8gr titegroup should push that 255 nicely.

And.. You don't have to worry about your brass or gun corroding while you look at it.. Or if you miss a microscopic grain..because that's where it will pit. Plus.. Without GOOD lube..the fouling will be less fun to remove.
If I wanted to hunt BP handgun I'd take a walker ( not a dragon ) and a 454 or 457 ball and just as much P or fffg as I could crush under the ball and then wax the cyl mouths and call it good. Probably get near 60 grains per hole. That smokewagon would hunt. Clean nipples too...

Soundguy
04-18-2022, 12:13 PM
My opinion? Conventional smokless lubes perform less than ideal in BP applications. I know many that refuse to use any petro based lube in BP apps. If they are already aloxed, I'd sure pan lube them with a stiff mix of mostly beeswax and perhaps some olive oil mixed in. BP lubes also serve to keep fouling soft... Smokless lubes don't. My opinion..that and 5$ will get you a Starbucks coffee..

Pereira
04-18-2022, 12:38 PM
What gun is this 45lc? Can it handle ruger/t.v. loads?
If it was me I'd go titegroup all day long. Even with non ruger loads..5.8gr titegroup should push that 255 nicely.

And.. You don't have to worry about your brass or gun corroding while you look at it.. Or if you miss a microscopic grain..because that's where it will pit. Plus.. Without GOOD lube..the fouling will be less fun to remove.
If I wanted to hunt BP handgun I'd take a walker ( not a dragon ) and a 454 or 457 ball and just as much P or fffg as I could crush under the ball and then wax the cyl mouths and call it good. Probably get near 60 grains per hole. That smokewagon would hunt. Clean nipples too...

THIS ^^
As I have no clue as to what firearm you are using as you didn't say.
I only shoot BP in cap & ball revolvers and my percussion rifles.
No way I want to spend hours upon hours cleaning that crap out of any of my Lever guns.
So my vote is the tg, myself I would use Unique or Red dot, but that's what "I" have on hand.
Good luck on the hunting, I have a pair of levers in 45 colt and hope to some day score with one if not both before I pass from this place.

RP

MrKSB
04-18-2022, 01:34 PM
Ohhh….it’s a R92 lever gun in 45LC

The way I understand it, is that Blackhorn 209 will want petroleum based lubes and cleaners; even the website advises against using water.

Soundguy
04-18-2022, 02:47 PM
You couldn't pay me to use black in a lever gun... Way way to hard to clean. Good luck.

Soundguy
04-18-2022, 02:49 PM
Even though bh209 is low residue and less fouling..it still requires cleaning and real good cleaning and lever guns are hard to take apart to clean