45 colt Cowboy Loads

[Bnt55]

I have a couple of new to me Uberti Cattlemen that I want to work up some cowboy loads for. If I just use the start grains in the books, is that considered "cowboy" loads?

[Soundguy]

Cowboy loads are generally lead round nose and low pressure. You can always load trail boss and be super safe and low recoil.

[G W Wade]

The best thing to do is go down in bullet weight. Maximum of 200 gr but 160 is popular. hodgdon has a cowboy load chart available, Universal- HP38- Titegroup- Clays and Trail Boss are great. PM me your number and I will send your pictures of my copy. GW

[shootinfox2]

200 gr RNFP .452
4.5-5 gr Promo
Winchester WLP

[pworley1]

This might help.
https://dilloncdn.com/bluepress/sept_09_p61_45colt.pdf

[Sam Sackett]

I have been using 4.5 of Red Dot behind either a 200 RF or a 230 TC bullet in a 45 Colt casing. Recoil is very manageable for cowboy action and it’s heavy enough not to be too dirty. I think most powders in that burn range would work about the same. Clays, Promo, Bullseye, etc.

My experience only. YMMV.

Sam Sackett

[shaner]

Check factory reloading manuals. Most have a cowboy load section. MD. Smith reloading pages have some good loads too

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[Bnt55]

This might help.
https://dilloncdn.com/bluepress/sept_09_p61_45colt.pdf

Thanks for the read. Problem is I do not have any of the afore mentioned powders. I do have a bunch of 2400/4350/3031/231/lil gun/WSF/WST/HS6/748/AA Superfield/BLC-2/4831. I will be working up a load for a 200 gr boolit.

I will look in my reloading manuals to see what I can come up with. Does anyone slug a bore when dealing with a western pistol such as the Uberti colt clone to come up with correct boolit diameter or is that not necessary with low velocity loads?

[shaner]

https://reloadammo.com/45-colt-load-data/
Try these. The 231 will make a decent load. Not great but decent lol

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[G W Wade]

231 is same as HP38 Try 6.0 gr GW

[veeman]

4.8 WST is my all time favorite in my 1911's. which is what a 45 CS is. an ACP with a rim.

[Froogal]

200 grain round nose flat point over 8.5 grains of Unique is what I use for cowboy action shooting. I experimented with the powder, started at the lowest amount, which I think was 8.2 grains, and tried the max load which is 9.2 if I remember right. Settled on 8.5.

Tried some Trail Boss, and also some Longshot. Both of those worked just fine. I settled on Unique simply because I had a good supply.

[Larry Gibson]

Most cowboy action SASS competitors who use the 45 Colt cartridge use a 160 to 200 gr bullet loaded down with fast burning powders [Bullseye, N32C, N310, N320, WST, Red Dot, etc.] to 550 to 650 fps as mentioned above. In competition all the targets are within 25 yards with most of the handgun targets being within 10 - 15 yards. The targets are relatively large, so accuracy isn't the top priority, speed is. Thus, the less recoil within reason your load gives the faster you can shoot.

I suggest using the WSF or WST powder you have with the 200 gr bullet. Suggest you start with 5.5 gr with either powder, chronograph if you can, and try 6 gr and 6.5 gr.

[Bnt55]

Thanks fellas! I will try out some of the ideas you gave me when the new guns arrive. I wanted to stay within the powders I had on hand due to the problematic nature of this economy. I have 4 lbs of Lil Gun that I might be able to trade for some red dot or something similar, not sure why I ever bought Lil Gun come to think of it....maybe it was for the 45 colt marlin, I can't remember LOL.

[Froogal]

Most cowboy action SASS competitors who use the 45 Colt cartridge use a 160 to 200 gr bullet loaded down with fast burning powders [Bullseye, N32C, N310, N320, WST, Red Dot, etc.] to 550 to 650 fps as mentioned above. In competition all the targets are within 25 yards with most of the handgun targets being within 10 - 15 yards. The targets are relatively large, so accuracy isn't the top priority, speed is. Thus, the less recoil within reason your load gives the faster you can shoot.

I suggest using the WSF or WST powder you have with the 200 gr bullet. Suggest you start with 5.5 gr with either powder, chronograph if you can, and try 6 gr and 6.5 gr.

I will agree on the handgun targets being within 10-15 yards, but for NCOWS, our rifle targets start at about 25 yards and go on out to maybe 80-100 yards.

[ABJ]

We just finished testing around a dozen different Uberti's and Ruger's in 45 colt. We were looking for a universal load for all of them. Not for formal CAS shoots but informal steel clanging from 25 to 130 yds. We wanted the most accurate load that hit 750 ish out of 4.75" barrels. So our loads are a little fast for CAS but still pretty soft. We had the most of titegroup powder so 90 % was tested with it.
The universal load that shoot in every gun was an actual weight of 245 grain, round flat, using either 5.7 or 5.9 grains of titegroup.
We did test other powders on a smaller scale and I am confident I could get any of the normal fast shotgun/pistol powder to equal the titegroup. Keep in mind we were looking for economy $$$ and soft to med. recoil.
Tony

[Bnt55]

We just finished testing around a dozen different Uberti's and Ruger's in 45 colt. We were looking for a universal load for all of them. Not for formal CAS shoots but informal steel clanging from 25 to 130 yds. We wanted the most accurate load that hit 750 ish out of 4.75" barrels. So our loads are a little fast for CAS but still pretty soft. We had the most of titegroup powder so 90 % was tested with it.
The universal load that shoot in every gun was an actual weight of 245 grain, round flat, using either 5.7 or 5.9 grains of titegroup.
We did test other powders on a smaller scale and I am confident I could get any of the normal fast shotgun/pistol powder to equal the titegroup. Keep in mind we were looking for economy $$$ and soft to med. recoil.
Tony

My ubertis are 5.5" and 7.5" and I am in the same boat as you guys, I don't shoot SASS but would like to have a mild load that is fun and as accurate as I am (which isnt that great). I will play around with the WST and the 231 as well as a couple of different bullet weights. I was really in the market for a new vaquero but I couldn't justify the expense, so I bought 2 Ubertis cheaper than one vaquero.

[ABJ]

Bnt55-Check your load books on the WST and 231 for my stated velocity for each powder and you should find what your looking for. FYI the 750 on 4.75 goes a little over 800 in our 7.5" and under 1000 maybe a little over in our rifles. We did get some accurate lighter loads in some of the guns but we were looking for one that shot good in all of them. Easier on the reloader(me). All our Ruger's are Blackhawks but most shooters preferring the Uberti's after they have played with all of them. The one exception is a Ruger flat top in 44 special. Everyone likes it. The second most popular is any of the Bisley grip guns, Uberti or Ruger. I am perfectly happy with my Uberti's.
Tony

[jonp]

200 gr RNFP .452
4.5-5 gr Promo
Winchester WLP

With all LP, that's a good bet I've used several pounds of Promo with

[farmbif]

if you could get some unique I think you will find it very useful. here is link to Alliant powder cowboy load data

https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/RecipeList.aspx?gtypeid=5

[Sgt H]

I remember back in the 1980's when cowboy action shooting first started most were using standard full power ammo. 45 colt and a 250 gr bullet at 900fps or so. Quickly changed though as folks loaded down ammo to game the system, losing the true sprit IMHO. What self respecting cowboy would choose 45 colt ammo with a 160gr bullet at 600fps when he could get a 250gr at 900fps. I think a minimum power factor of 160 (still fairly wimpy) for handgun ammo and 225 for rifles would make it more interesting. Then we could see how good they are shooting "real ammo".

[rowdyjoe]

I've been out of the cowboy game for a couple of decades (early to mid 90's) and I miss it ...sometimes al Lot. :( However, when I was playing (SASS Badge no. 3835), my tools included two stainless Ruger Vaqueros (4 5/8") and a short barreled Model 94. I lived in the heart of the action back then (Ontario, CA) and attended the monthly matches held at Rahauges (never could spell it) ranges and every other match I could find within a days roundtrip drive. My preferred load for both revolvers and rifle was Red Dot - 6.2grns; Win. Large Pistol primer; 230 gr. Lead SC; OAL : 1.58”. Velocity: 700 fps – 800 fps (approx.); with Starline brass. It is a very reliable and accurate load with moderate recoil and enough power to put the poppers down with authority. I loaded and fired approx. 2,500 rds per year.

I sold all of my equipment years ago but, still use this load in a Pietta 1858 replica with a .45 Colt conversion cylinder. Loads of fun to shoot.

[Bnt55]

I have two uberti 1858 Remington clones and use them with cap and ball, there is just something about that blackpowder cloud when firing double fisted��. I am really looking forward to these 1873 ubertis, my two teenage sons get more excited to shoot the old western guns than the newer stuff, I think they enjoy holding a piece of America's old west history in their hands.

[rowdyjoe]

Ditto on the 1858 with BP. Soooo much fun and it draws a crowd at the range. :) I have two BP cylinders and if I fire them back to back without cleaning, it almost locks up from the crud build up. I've been using Goex fff and it works very well but, cleanup is needed about every 10 or 12 rounds. I may be forced to start using a substitute (oh, the blasphemy :cry:) but, I'm told it's much cleaner to shoot ?

I'm sure you and the boys will love the 1873 Ubertis. It is a very pleasant educational experience. :)

I also have a .50 cal. Hawken replica BP percussion rifle made by CVA. I've re-barreled it and installed a new lock mechanism and tuned a load that produces a slightly less than 2" group at 100 yds from a bench, providing I do my part. Again, using Goex fff, it kicks like a mule when loaded with 70 grns of powder. I need to reduce that load to prevent dislocation of body parts. At my age, it doesn't take much to dislodge a shoulder joint. :veryconfu

[Swiss Brown]

Try various bullet weights if what you start with shoots above or below your point of aim. With the lack of Trailboss I've been using HS6 with 250gr. rnfp. Starting loads will still give mild recoil.

[shaner]

Try various bullet weights if what you start with shoots above or below your point of aim. With the lack of Trailboss I've been using HS6 with 250gr. rnfp. Starting loads will still give mild recoil.If you're like me, I miss Trail Boss

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[200grain]

I've been out of the cowboy game for a couple of decades (early to mid 90's) and I miss it ...sometimes al Lot. :( However, when I was playing (SASS Badge no. 3835), my tools included two stainless Ruger Vaqueros (4 5/8") and a short barreled Model 94. I lived in the heart of the action back then (Ontario, CA) and attended the monthly matches held at Rahauges (never could spell it) ranges and every other match I could find within a days roundtrip drive. My preferred load for both revolvers and rifle was Red Dot - 6.2grns; Win. Large Pistol primer; 230 gr. Lead SC; OAL : 1.58”. Velocity: 700 fps – 800 fps (approx.); with Starline brass. It is a very reliable and accurate load with moderate recoil and enough power to put the poppers down with authority. I loaded and fired approx. 2,500 rds per year.

I sold all of my equipment years ago but, still use this load in a Pietta 1858 replica with a .45 Colt conversion cylinder. Loads of fun to shoot.

I'm with you on the load... my Pietta 1858 replica with a .45 Colt conversion cylinder, Unique 6.0 grains, Win Large Pistol primer for Standard or Magnum (for the extra flame time), Missouri Bullet Co. Cowboy #9 255 grain SWC, .452 diameter

[Tripplebeards]

I bought 3, 9 oz cans of trail boss last fall for $21.99 before the stupidity started. I load up 5.2 grains, a lee 255 grain PC boolit, and a magnum primer. I also load them long to the bottom groove. The load averages 585 fps and stacks my boolits on top of each other at 25 yards. Recoils like a 22WMR.

[Bnt55]

Thats the same results I got with WIN 231, 6 grains and it chronoed around 550-570 fps and seemed fairly accurate. Alot of soot on the cases, I will bump up another .5 gr and see how things go.

[35 Rem]

For years all I shot in my two Uberti SAA clones was 6.7gr WW231 under the Lee 452-255-RF bullet. It chronographed 775 ft/sec for me and was a perfect fun load. I recently bought the 200 grain version of the same bullet and obviously it would recoil less but haven't even heated the mold yet.

[Bnt55]

For years all I shot in my two Uberti SAA clones was 6.7gr WW231 under the Lee 452-255-RF bullet. It chronographed 775 ft/sec for me and was a perfect fun load. I recently bought the 200 grain version of the same bullet and obviously it would recoil less but haven't even heated the mold yet.

I just molded up some RCBS 452-200 SWC that I am going to try over some 231, guessing somwhere between 6-7 grains will be the ticket. Would like to have a little less soot

[DAVIDMAGNUM]

.....I do have a bunch of 2400/4350/3031/231.....
Winchester 231 is a good, light load fast burning pistol powder. Winchester 231 and Hodgdon HP38 are the exact same powder. This is a fact. They are the same powder with different labels on the jug.

[black mamba]

I have found 231/HP38 to remain sooty until pressures get pretty high, at least above 25 kpsi. I would look for something faster, like Red Dot or 700X.

[Ecramer]

My cowboy load for .45 is 6 grns Clays behind a 230 Grain SAECO Cowboy bullet (sort of a round nose flat point). Good for about 650 fps. Never wanted to go any lighter in bullet weight because I make fun of other guys doing that :)

[Baltimoreed]

I generally use 200 gr rnfp in my revolvers [also run the same bullet in my 45 pcc’s, 1911s and a Thompson]. My Marlins only like the heavier slugs so 225-255 swc work in them. I use Dot powders usually, Clays, Clay Dot, Red dot. I do have some 160 rnfp that are easier on my arthritic knuckles. My sass # 11754 so I’ve shot more than a few shoots. At 71 I still compete.

[smkummer]

I have found 231/HP38 to remain sooty until pressures get pretty high, at least above 25 kpsi. I would look for something faster, like Red Dot or 700X.

4.9 grains 700X and Lees 200 RF bullet in both my colt cowboys and my repro Burgess rifle. It’s a starting load and my WW cases are only slightly sooty. I am going to switch to Remington cases for maybe better expansion. Starting loads are a perfectly good place to start. Another shooter borrowed me some of his trail boss loads that he went below suggested starting grains and the primers were backing out in my gun.