ID this bullet

[Ken O]

I was shooting a pistol match during the summer and got into a discussion about cast rife bollits with a fellow. He claims he shot it across the course matches (200,300,600 yds) in a M1a with great succes. He has had medical problems and hasnt been able to shoot rifle in a number of years. I saw him at another match this fall and he gave me the boolit and told me the number but I dont remember, it seems there was a three in it though. I probably wont see him till spring and I'd like to pick up the mold and try it. Ive always shot jacketed in matches, but thought it might be fun for our clubs Springfield and Garand matches.
He used straight linotype and it weighs 169.5 the way it is (with lube and GC). Any ideas? Sorry for the blurry pic, not a very good camera. Thanks, Ken

[HORNET]

Ken O:
Looks to me like the 311(or 308 in some versions)413 Squib bullet. Lyman made a small series of this design in different calibers. Generally evaluated as good-very good at lower velocities, but erratic at full loads. Lots of fun at about 32-40 to light 30-30 speed.

[Bullshop]

This looks pretty close. This is our NEI - 30 cal 165 grain. Bull Shop Mom
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?ItemNum=7182112

[floodgate]

Ken O:

Just about all of the mould makers hopped onto this one. It was designed by one Sam Squibb, a well-known shooter of the time in - I think - New York State. It was written up in the August 15, 1922 issue of "Arms and the Man" (predecessor to the "American Rifleman"). I have versions made by Lyman / Ideal (as #311413, introduced in 1927), Belding & Mull (one of the first bullets thay made moulds for in mid-1924, as their #311169) and Hensley & Gibbs (their #20). To be honest, I've never tried it, but many reports show it to be a very tricky bullet to get to shoot right - very sensitive to any mis-match between case neck and leade, and to any mis-alignment - but capable of near-MOA accuracy when everything works out right. PM me if you want a copy of the article.

floodgate

[NVcurmudgeon]

Yep, 311413 Lyman or clone therof. I have an old (so old there are no vent lines)single cavity that is one of my favorite moulds. It is one of the easiest and best casting moulds in my colection. I shoot it over 9.0 gr. Green Dot in .303 British (1270 fps) and .30/06 (1240 fps) with excellent accuracy to 100 yd. My mould casts .314, perfect for my .303, and I size it down to .310 for the .30/06.

[Ken O]

Thanks all, this might not be what I need. Our military matches are shot at 200yds, all stages (off-hand, rapid sitting, rapid prone, and slow prone). It sounds like its a short range boolit.

[w30wcf]

Floodgate,
Thank you for the history.

Ken O
Here's the 311413 mold on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lyman-Ideal-311413-Bullet-Mold-Mould_W0QQitemZ7210628914QQcategoryZ383QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

w30wcf

[JRD]

I read this
"It was designed by one Sam Squibb, a well-known shooter of the time..."

and all of a sudden it hit me. Is it just a coincidence, or could a "squib load" be tied to this guy some how?

Jason

[Buckshot]

I read this
"It was designed by one Sam Squibb, a well-known shooter of the time..."

and all of a sudden it hit me. Is it just a coincidence, or could a "squib load" be tied to this guy some how?

Jason

Yup. Just like the "Bull" barrel. The Bull part was actually the last name of an employee of Springfield armory in the 1870's (or '80's?) I believe. He was a ballistician or somesuch. He may also have been involved with the famous test's at Sandy Hook, NJ in the 1870's. This lead to the change in the 45-70's bullet from the 405 to the 500 gr slug.

..................Buckshot