Mouse fart loads for .223 ?

[Wolfdog91]

Yeah so just kinda wanna go in the opposite direction of what I been doing lately with .223. Want a nice Lil load I can tinker with @ 10-50 max instead of blowing all my .22lr. got a bunch of pc'd GC Lee .225 boolets I need to get out of rotation and this new single shot tive been playing with so anyone go a nice accurate kinda quiet mouse fart load for .223 ?
I go a brand new jug of H110 and win 748 which I think is common for this application. But not super sure about that, just looking at what I already have Also got a roll of poly fill if I need to use a filler.
So anything ?

[Outpost75]

Neither H110 nor 748 are safe in greatly reduced loads. WST, 231, TiteGroup would be better. Start at 3 grains with lead bullet for subsonic to use with can. No filler is needed.

[oldblinddog]

Don’t have either of those powders. I use Bullseye. 60 gr NOE mould, lubes with Carnauba Red, Hornady gas check. 3.1 grs. gives me 1163 fps from my 24” barrel. Filler not recommended.

[dverna]

Those kinds of loads may have made some sense when SRP's were $.03/ea. Not very wise when SRP's are north of $.10 ea.

If you are playing at 10-50 yards get a decent air rifle and shoot pellets that are $.015. BTW, I do a lot of playing with air guns. Sub 1" at 50 yards consistently.

If you want to play with .223 and have the time and money to waste try 5.5-7.5 gr of Red Dot or Promo. No filler needed. I would not use H110 or 748. Read the thread you started on "Developing Loads"

[Kylongrifle32]

I was shooting 47 grain Boolits out of a 10 inch barrel chambered in 222 rem using Tite Group but don't remember the amount. I was using 3.1 grains of Tite Group to launch 75 grain Boolits out of a 16 inch 223 rem barrel subsonic.

[Wolfdog91]

Those kinds of loads may have made some sense when SRP's were $.03/ea. Not very wise when SRP's are north of $.10 ea.

If you are playing at 10-50 yards get a decent air rifle and shoot pellets than are $.015. BTW, I do a lot of playing with air guns. Sub 1" at 50 yards consistently.

If you want to play with .223 and have the time and money to waste try 5.5-7.5 gr of Red Dot or Promo. No filler needed. I would not use H110 or 748. Read the thread you started on "Developing Loads"

Actually already have a few lol. In the process of rebuilding my PCP though but got a nice Springer I shoot alot. But on the bright side I've actually seen some WST and Red Dot here and there sooo might get some but just had to put some new tires on the car so guess this will be put on the back burner too lol:lovebooli

And I've read it a few times now actually good info.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I would think this "might" transfer to 223 ...maybe?

I played around with subsonic in my 22 Hornet (Ruger #3) 45 gr FN with 1.5gr Red Dot and also 1.2gr Red Dot.

[Baltimoreed]

Primers are more expensive than .22s and a whole lot harder to find. I’d swap you .22s for primers if you were closer.

[farmbif]

you might have a lot more fun with a 22 hornet or 25-20 , the slower twist rate might be a big plus. those mouse fart 223's won't cycle an AR
do you have any 4895, that might work at 1/2 the normal powder

[Old Caster]

I don't agree that light loads with H110 are dangerous. I shot a lot of them in my 22 Hornet in competition. At 100 yards I used a load of 7.4 g grains but I don't remember the weight of the bullet but it was probably 40 grains. They were shot out of a Thompson Contender with a 14 inch barrel and I got 5 shot groups as small as three tenths of an inch and .4 was quite common. I kept getting tighter and tighter groups as I reduced the load and when I hit 7 grains, I had squib loads and had to push the bullet out of the barrel. As long as I stayed at the 7.4 grains I never had a problem. I got away with a few 7.2 loads but they weren't better than the 7.4 so I stayed there and didn't take a chance on that happening while in competition. What was interesting is that when looking in the case, the powder was still in there and sort of turned into a goo that I had to clean out with a nail. The competition was shooting groups at 100 with a pistol and you could lay on the ground but the gun could not touch the ground nor could anything else except the person. I would do a split and lay the gun on my right thigh and put my left hand over the rear of the gun and my fingers under the heel while my right hand was on the grip and trigger. I had my trigger down around 4 oz. and a 24 power scope on the top and I looked through the scope upside down. The competition didn't last too long because I was way too much better than anyone else most of who were shooting while lying on their back with the barrel on the side of their knee. If you shoot reduced loads with H110 watch out for squib loads but we have to watch out for that no matter what. I would guess people were blowing their guns up back then because they didn't check when a squib happened. It wouldn't function a semi auto so no problem.

[Outer Rondacker]

I wish I could remember my tite group load for you. I stopped just as soon as I started with it due to primer costs. Been burning double duces. Well until today when I got my PCP back together. Ah silence and good to 120 yards for a penny. If I can remember I will post it up. I say no to H110.

[RickinTN]

I don't agree that light loads with H110 are dangerous. I shot a lot of them in my 22 Hornet in competition. At 100 yards I used a load of 7.4 g grains but I don't remember the weight of the bullet but it was probably 40 grains. They were shot out of a Thompson Contender with a 14 inch barrel and I got 5 shot groups as small as three tenths of an inch and .4 was quite common. I kept getting tighter and tighter groups as I reduced the load and when I hit 7 grains, I had squib loads and had to push the bullet out of the barrel. As long as I stayed at the 7.4 grains I never had a problem. I got away with a few 7.2 loads but they weren't better than the 7.4 so I stayed there and didn't take a chance on that happening while in competition. What was interesting is that when looking in the case, the powder was still in there and sort of turned into a goo that I had to clean out with a nail. The competition was shooting groups at 100 with a pistol and you could lay on the ground but the gun could not touch the ground nor could anything else except the person. I would do a split and lay the gun on my right thigh and put my left hand over the rear of the gun and my fingers under the heel while my right hand was on the grip and trigger. I had my trigger down around 4 oz. and a 24 power scope on the top and I looked through the scope upside down. The competition didn't last too long because I was way too much better than anyone else most of who were shooting while lying on their back with the barrel on the side of their knee. If you shoot reduced loads with H110 watch out for squib loads but we have to watch out for that no matter what. I would guess people were blowing their guns up back then because they didn't check when a squib happened. It wouldn't function a semi auto so no problem.

I agree that reducing H110 is not dangerous......Until it is. Even the manufacturer says don't reduce it more than 10%. It won't have bad effects every time, not even most of the time. But when it does as the old saying goes...LOOK OUT!
Rick

[Larry Gibson]

Reduced loads of H110/296 can, indeed, be dangerous. Most often the caution comes with loads to be used in revolvers. Additionally, in larger capacity case reduced loads with H110/296 can also be danger [as in potential for S.E.E.] with jacketed bullets and hard heavy for cartridge cast bullets.

The exception to the rule is with reduced loads in small capacity cases in rifles such as the 22 Hornets as mentioned in a previous post. That situation [small capacity case in a rifle] is the exception, not the rule. Because it is safe does not negate the potential for "unsafe" in other conditions/applications.

[Jack Stanley]

231, Bullseye , Red dot , and my personal favorite ... 700X . I loaded about thirty pounds of 58 grain bullets with 700X back when primers were much cheaper ;-) Cronograph told me they are doing almost 1500 feet per second . .

Jack

[quilbilly]

Go back into the archives here. About ten years ago one writer put out a list of his mousefart loads with Bullseye starting about 900 fps and worked up. IMHO, the only problem with Bullseye is that the loads are so tiny that you barely see them even when looking into the case with a flashlight to identify missed or double charges. I once had a T/C carbine barrel that absolutely loved a Bullseye load that had an MV of 1100 fps giving 3/4 inch groups at 50 yards with iron sights and a 53 gr CB.

[Hanzy4200]

.22 is really becoming available. It's not the hens tooth it was a year ago. If you are really struggling to find any, PM me. I've got a pile.

[Alferd Packer]

I have started with 1.3 to 1.5 hrs Bullseye under a cast 44 grain bullet.
Sized .224 or .225, no gas check, they are quiet and very close range accuracy.
Also try a grain of Bullseye under a .22 lead pellet or a round ball.
Your mileage will vary, but it's all experimental.
Need I recommend checking the bore after each shot and run a wet patch thru after every five shots at least to remove primer gook.
Check the bore after each shot and again when you start to chamber a round!
Safety first when experimenting and treat all these experiments as a dangerous bullet shot from an actual firearm.
The law does.
When someone mentions cycling an AR, I feel that they have no concept of what a mousefart load should be or achieve.
Any load that cycles an AR will need ear plugs generally, which is a far cry from a catsneeze/ mousefart level load using sound level as a measuring stick.
Just Sayin....*

[15meter]

You may find some useful info in the following three articles:

https://castpics.net/dpl/index.php/the-library/cartridge-specific-articles/223-cast-in-the-223-part-1

https://castpics.net/dpl/index.php/the-library/cartridge-specific-articles/224-cast-in-the-223-part-2

https://castpics.net/dpl/index.php/the-library/cartridge-specific-articles/225-cast-in-the-223-part-3

Castpics has some great articles there. It has been pretty static for awhile. I'd print the info out while it's available. Unfortunately some of these older websites evaporate occasionally.

Good luck.

And it would be great if we could incorporate the info on this site, I don't know if it is doable, I think there is a size limit on what can be posted here.

[square butte]

Nuthin there on the links

[charlie b]

Might be too late. Looks like all the articles have been lost.

[danmat]

You need to pick up one of Lymans cast boolit handbooks, for the first one i suggest the 1973 edition.
Lots of loads with the old standards, dot powders and unique.

[Jack Stanley]

You need to pick up one of Lymans cast boolit handbooks, for the first one i suggest the 1973 edition.
Lots of loads with the old standards, dot powders and unique.

I second that motion ....... I still use my manual

Jack

[Three44s]

Nuthin there on the links

All three links came up for me. Sponsored by NOE Bullets!

Thanks Al Nelson!

Three44s

[Soundguy]

if you have titegroup. there is a SINGLE reduced load for .223 it's not a range.. it's a single load.

[15meter]

I click on them and they come up just fine, not sure why they are not coming up for you guys.

Anybody else see them?

[Outer Rondacker]

They come up but are blank.

[charlie b]

Do you have to register on the website maybe?

[oldblinddog]

All there for me.

[15meter]

I've never had to register.

Must be a configuration issue.

Or the phase of the moon. With computers, who knows?

[trails4u]

"I would do a split and lay the gun on my right thigh and put my left hand over the rear of the gun and my fingers under the heel while my right hand was on the grip and trigger. I had my trigger down around 4 oz. and a 24 power scope on the top and I looked through the scope upside down."

I've read this about 43 times and still can't understand what it means....

[Kosh75287]

No luck HERE with the Castpics.net links.

[hporter]

Check your browser security settings. The links brought the page up, but no article.

Then I turned off the Firefox security settings for that page, and the articles popped right up.

[Soundguy]

"I would do a split and lay the gun on my right thigh and put my left hand over the rear of the gun and my fingers under the heel while my right hand was on the grip and trigger. I had my trigger down around 4 oz. and a 24 power scope on the top and I looked through the scope upside down."

I've read this about 43 times and still can't understand what it means....

Same here... He lost me at 'do a split'.

[lavenatti]

Anything requiring me to do a split will also require a trip to the hospital....

[243winxb]

Hodgson has reduced loads. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?media/subsonic-rifle-load-data.4275/full⅕

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?media/subsonic-rifle-load-data.4274/full

[pertnear]

Here something I played around with a loooong time ago.

I shot .22 cal pellets out of my .22.250. I was using Benjamin pellets that mic'd .222 dia. They worked okay. But eventually I made a little hand die to bump them up fatter & .002 larger dia. Used a primer alone for a "standard" loading. As I got more zealous, I took a fired primer & attached a wire handle to it to make a powder scoop. I loaded a "magnum" version by adding a scoop of Bulleye. For the "blow-your-doors-off-ultra-mag-load" I'd use 2 scoops & a magnum primer. At that point the actual firing was getting pretty loud so I backed down.

The fun part was sizing the brass so I could hand seat a pellet tightly in place. The case also needs to be sized tight enough to keep the chamber & brass from getting too dirty since the round obviously doesn't have enough pressure to obturate. A lot of black soot if everything is not tight. Back when I was doing this there were no neck-bushings dies to fool with. I looked around my shop but couldn't find my old aluminum pellet sizer die.

Remember, it's all fun. Shooting is shooting & reloading is the icing on the cake! Good luck on your mouse fart project! :lol: