M1 Carbine

[burch]

Finding reloading components is near impossible for this. The only data I’ve found is on the Hogden site. I can’t find Winchester casings or CCI 400 primers. I had a brand new bottle of H-110 thank goodness. Anyone know where to find components?

[charlie b]

Not H110 label but our Sportsman's had 5 cans of WW296 the other day.

[TMB]

Graf and Sons has PPU brass in stock. North East Target & Shooting Supply show 110gr fmj bullets in stock, but I have never ordered from them before. Powder Valley show H110 one pounder and 296 one and four pounders in stock. Pretty sure H110 and 296 is the same powder now days. IDK about primers, but thought Midway had small rifle the other day but were expensive 5.56 primers and do not show in stock now.

[leadhead]

You can also use 2400 in the carbine... Works well for me.
Denny

[Kosh75287]

Look at the 115 gr. .309" hard cast bullets by Rim Rock Bullets. I think they're essentially the same profile as the 110 gr. FMJRNs, but without the gilding metal jacket. You remark that you have H110, which was the propellant originally used in (and still the best for) the .30 U.S. Carbine cartridge. You might reach out on this site and others in their "Buy, Sell, Trade" sections for brass. I did this, for 7.62x25mm boxer-primed brass and bought some. But two other site members just mailed spent brass to me "to get it out of [their] way". YOUR results might be similar.
I don't know how to advise you on primers, except that I WOULD NOT use small pistol primers. Once in a while, a supply of military-grade small rifle primers, intended for use in 5.56x45mm, will show up. I cannot imagine why these would not work well in your carbine.
Best of luck!

[jimb16]

IMR 4227 is another good carbine powder.

[charlie44gs]

Thanks for asking this question. I just acquired an original Standard Products carbine and asked the same question on the carbine collectors site. The above responses reinforce the information from that sight. I just need to learn how to trim cases since that is crucial to reloading 30 carbine.

[Texas by God]

Thanks for asking this question. I just acquired an original Standard Products carbine and asked the same question on the carbine collectors site. The above responses reinforce the information from that sight. I just need to learn how to trim cases since that is crucial to reloading 30 carbine.

Welcome to the forum! I’ve been loading .30 Carbine for only 5 years or so but I’ve never trimmed a case yet. I don’t even sort the brass by headstamp they just work. M1 Carbines are neat to have fun to shoot.

[Finster101]

Welcome to the forum! I’ve been loading .30 Carbine for only 5 years or so but I’ve never trimmed a case yet. I don’t even sort the brass by headstamp they just work. M1 Carbines are neat to have fun to shoot.

I don't think I have even read of anyone trimming brass for the carbine.

[charlie44gs]

Thanks for the encouragement. The case trimming came from another forum, don't remember which one. I guess the OAL is crucial. For me the issue is being able to see the target with 77 year-old eyes. 50 yards might be it for me, but will try longer distance next week. Please excuse me if I seem to have highjacked this tread.
Charlie

[Adam Helmer]

burch,

My best cast boolit in my Carbines is the 130 grain RN Lyman #311410 plain base boolit and 2400.

Adam

[la5676]

Thanks for the encouragement. The case trimming came from another forum, don't remember which one. I guess the OAL is crucial. For me the issue is being able to see the target with 77 year-old eyes. 50 yards might be it for me, but will try longer distance next week. Please excuse me if I seem to have highjacked this tread.
Charlie

Any and all replies are good. Well, I've been banned for off topic replies, so be careful. Despite being a rimless cartridge, I believe the carbine headspaces off the case mouth, just like many similar pistol ammo. I read on here some trim those too, but I have never trimmed a rimless pistol case.

[burch]

Any and all replies are good. Well, I've been banned for off topic replies, so be careful. Despite being a rimless cartridge, I believe the carbine headspaces off the case mouth, just like many similar pistol ammo. I read on here some trim those too, but I have never trimmed a rimless pistol case.
I’ve never trimmed any pistol brass neither.

[jimb16]

I only trim my carbine cases when they reach max length. Then I batch trim then to min. spec. Carbines are pretty forgiving of case length as long as it doesn't get too long. I've been loading them for over 30 years. I also don't bother with sorting brass for them except for commercial vs military. And I think that might be overkill.

[bimus]

I worked on using small pistol primers in the 30 carbine with cast and found my regular load of about 1850 FPS to high of pressure but no fails it's a high pressure round and I found that about 1600 FPS pressure was much better and doable and the round would still work the action if that's all I had . The 30 Carbine is really sensitive to how deep the bullet is set .

[TMB]

USGI M1 carbines are less finicky about brass length than commercial M1 carbines.

[35 Whelen]

Finding reloading components is near impossible for this. The only data I’ve found is on the Hogden site. I can’t find Winchester casings or CCI 400 primers. I had a brand new bottle of H-110 thank goodness. Anyone know where to find components?

Au contraire. One only needs to know where to look!!

Gunbroker always has plenty of listings for .30 Carbine brass, and if you bide your time, you can get it for around 15¢-20¢ per. The CMP Forum (https://forums.thecmp.org/forumdisplay.php?f=109) is also a good place to find brass.

I've chronographed .30 Carbine loads with SP, SPM, SR, and SRM primers and don't find a nickels worth of difference in velocities. The ability to use four different type of primers makes it easier.

Don't overlook 2400, especially for cast bullets. Other good ones are VV110, AA#9, Ramshot Enforcer/AA4100, and 4227.

110 gr. jacketed bullets @ ~15¢ ea. (https://www.rmrbullets.com/shop/bullets/rifle/308-7-62mm/30-carbine-110-gr-full-metal-jacket-round-nose-new/)

If you cast, the RCBS 30-115-SP is a crackerjack of a mold for said caliber. My cast bullets from this mold are consistently more accurate than jacketed bullets and do not lead at all right up to 2000 fps.

If you're in a hurry and/or don't want to cast, Bayou Bullets Hi-Tek coated .309 115 gr. RN (https://bayoubullets.net/30-carbine-115-gr-rn-500-ct/) bullets shoot pretty decent (4" - 5") out to 100 yds. and at 7¢ each are ridiculously inexpensive.

35W

[dogmower]

powder valley has 1680 and 4227 all the time, at reasonable (for this time) prices.

[smkummer]

30 carbine will need trimming from time to time. I do like others and only trim when over. My lee carbide dies sort of undersize the tapered case body. My original rcbs steel dies properly sized the case but a bit more work with lube and de lube. I shot my WW2 quality hardware in a CMP match last year. Fun.

gibrass.com or Bartlett reloaders had reclaimed small rifle primers from military 30 carbine ammunition. I believe his price was $70 per 1000. They are fired in my small rifle applications and some handguns.

[Bmi48219]

RMR has 110 FMJ (13.5 cent each if you buy 1,000). I think they have free shipping too.
Luckily I amassed several thousand 110 gr bullets back when they weren’t priced like gold. I trim .30 carbine as needed, mainly because while my inland doesn’t seem to care, my AMT III can be demanding. I use 4227 & H110. If you decide you like the H110 pm me.

[burch]

RMR has 110 FMJ (13.5 cent each if you buy 1,000). I think they have free shipping too.
Luckily I amassed several thousand 110 gr bullets back when they weren’t priced like gold. I trim .30 carbine as needed, mainly because while my inland doesn’t seem to care, my AMT III can be demanding. I use 4227 & H110. If you decide you like the H110 pm me.
H110 is what I have on hand.

[Bigmancrisler]

Welcome to the forum! I’ve been loading .30 Carbine for only 5 years or so but I’ve never trimmed a case yet. I don’t even sort the brass by headstamp they just work. M1 Carbines are neat to have fun to shoot.

I have to trim my 30 carbine brass nearly every time, it seems like this is really based on your gun unlike some other straight wall cartridges cause I’ve seen responses all over the internet stating one or the other.


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[Bigmancrisler]

I just casted my first 30 carbine pills (lee 309-113) PC/GC and sized to .311 (slugged at .310) and plan to try them hopefully this weekend. But if your looking for jacketed, I usually use extreme bullets 110gr. They’re usually always in stock and have them on sale frequently. I load them over 14gr H110 and can regularly hit a 6” steel plate at 100 shooting offhand with it. Hopefully I’ll get at least similar results with casts.


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[burch]

Who’s got CCI 400 primers that don’t want an arm & leg for em.

[35 Whelen]

Who’s got CCI 400 primers that don’t want an arm & leg for em.

Small pistol primers, if you have any, work just as well.

[elmacgyver0]

Primer availability (at a reasonably price anyway) may be a long time coming, perhaps never.

[burch]

Small pistol primers, if you have any, work just as well.

That’s a new one on me. Anyone else wanna chime in on this.

[35 Whelen]

That’s a new one on me. Anyone else wanna chime in on this.

It really isn't difficult to understand.

The .357 Magnum uses the same powders as the .30 Carbine (H110, et al.) and it uses small pistol and small pistol magnum primers, so it stands to reason they would work just as well in the .30 Carbine, which actually uses less of the same powders as the .357. I know, the .30 Carbine operates at higher pressure than the .357 Magnum, (40,000 psi vs. 35,000 psi) but small pistol primers are also used in the .327 Federal Magnum, whose maximum pressure is 46,000 psi.

Over the last two years I've chronographed all manner of .30 Carbine loads using small rifle, small rifle magnum, small pistol and small pistol magnum primers, and there's really not enough difference in velocities to worry about. But, you use what you want to use.

35W

[Texas by God]

That's useful info for when I have more small pistol than small rifle primers - I can save the small rifle primers for 5.56 and .300BO. Thanks 35 Whelen.

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[bimus]

I tested Federal small pistol in the 30 Carbine my regular FPS is 1850 with 120 gr cast and I got backed out and flat primers . I found that at about 1600 FPS pressure is at a useable level and the action would operate . The 30 Carbine is a high pressure rife round .

[burch]

I tested Federal small pistol in the 30 Carbine my regular FPS is 1850 with 120 gr cast and I got backed out and flat primers . I found that at about 1600 FPS pressure is at a useable level and the action would operate . The 30 Carbine is a high pressure rife round .
Are any of you other guy’s getting backed out pistol primers.

[35 Whelen]

I tested Federal small pistol in the 30 Carbine my regular FPS is 1850 with 120 gr cast and I got backed out and flat primers . I found that at about 1600 FPS pressure is at a useable level and the action would operate . The 30 Carbine is a high-pressure rife round .

If you're getting backed out primers you might want to have your rifles headspace checked or see if something in your loading process is causing a headspace issue (excessive taper crimp...?). There's no reason, other than that, that a SPP would back out of the primer pocket when a SRP didn't.

The .30 Carbine is a relatively low-pressure round among modern rifle cartridges. Along the same lines, I was looking at Hodgdon's data for the 5.7x28 and they developed their loads using Winchester small pistol primers. A few of their loads approach 50,000 psi, too. Same with Accurate Powders data, and they state that either SPP or SRP's may be used.

All that said, if using SPP's in a .30 Carbines is going to worry a fella, then he shouldn't use them. I have plenty of SPP's so that's what I've been using for some time now and will continue to do so.

35W

[Kosh75287]

With the similar pressures of the .357 carbine, vs. .30 Carbine, I could see using small pistol primers in the latter (though I've never tried them), but I'd do what I could in the way of a work-up (3% redux'n with H110), rather than just start at 14.0/H110/110 gr. Each of the .30 M1 carbines can be something of a "breed of its own" in terms of how it handles certain reloaded ammunition.

[burch]

With the similar pressures of the .357 carbine, vs. .30 Carbine, I could see using small pistol primers in the latter (though I've never tried them), but I'd do what I could in the way of a work-up (3% redux'n with H110), rather than just start at 14.0/H110/110 gr. Each of the .30 M1 carbines can be something of a "breed of its own" in terms of how it handles certain reloaded ammunition.
I’ll definitely reduce it. I have spp since I can’t get rifle primers

[burch]

If you're getting backed out primers you might want to have your rifles headspace checked or see if something in your loading process is causing a headspace issue (excessive taper crimp...?). There's no reason, other than that, that a SPP would back out of the primer pocket when a SRP didn't.

The .30 Carbine is a relatively low-pressure round among modern rifle cartridges. Along the same lines, I was looking at Hodgdon's data for the 5.7x28 and they developed their loads using Winchester small pistol primers. A few of their loads approach 50,000 psi, too. Same with Accurate Powders data, and they state that either SPP or SRP's may be used.

All that said, if using SPP's in a .30 Carbines is going to worry a fella, then he shouldn't use them. I have plenty of SPP's so that's what I've been using for some time now and will continue to do so.

35W
I have no problem using pistol primers. I just wanted to see if others we’re using em and more than one opinion. Heck man, I gotta ton of pistol primers ��

[Kosh75287]

Heck man, I gotta ton of pistol primers ��

MAN, I wish you didn't live half a country away!

[35 Whelen]

I’ll definitely reduce it. I have spp since I can’t get rifle primers

Small rifle primers are available on Gunbroker, with a couple of caveats. First of course is how much are you willing to pay? Primers can be bought for 10¢ apiece including shipping, if you're patient and diligent in your search. Fiocchi Small Rifle Primers (https://www.gunbroker.com/item/922620425) A far cry from the 4¢ or 5¢ we used to pay, but at least they can be bought. Second, you have to know how to find the deals without looking through thousands of listings.

35W

[burch]

Ok, I just shot it for the first time today. Functioned flawless. Primers backed out just a tad but are still below the primer pocket. I loaded H-110
@ 14.0 gr. Speer 110 gr. RN soft point with a Win. small rifle primer. Nothing out of the ordinary when I inspected the spent casings

[Texas by God]

You're off to a good start. Shoot groups with that load to establish an accuracy benchmark to maintain or surpass with cast.

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[LabGuy]

Academy is selling CCI for $6.99/100 limit 400, when they have them. I just stop in anytime I’m driving by. Got small pistol back in October, small rifle this month. They also had large rifle magnum this month, but I have no need. Got 1200 each time over 2 days.