Prophetic Dreams

[Good Cheer]

What do you think is the mechanism involved for prophetic dreams?

[JWFilips]

I have had 3 in my lifetime ; All have come true! That really creeps me out! But I can not answer your question! Hope I have no more!

[Good Cheer]

Other than it being another of the amazing abilities built into people, the way we are made, I don't understand how it works. I've wondered about what it might say about "time" and what one could surmise about the manner of beings we are but it's a puzzle.
Any how, it's something that I've had a few decades to mull over and it's still of great interest to me. I hope people will chime in. I'd love to hear what anyone has thought.

[Gobeyond]

It’s all up to God, who He chooses. But I don’t think there are any more prophets of Bible caliber. We already know what is going to happen in our time from John in revelation. Pick your favorite teacher and follow them. Just waiting for the rapture myself. I think I know everything I need to know. Keep repenting and getting clean. It’s not getting any easier to be sinless, and who really is sinless. Only Jesus.

[Good Cheer]

Indeed it is up to God; who He chooses, for what purposes and how much He places upon them.
Was David Wilkerson correct in what he saw? How about what Dumitru Duduman was shown? Or Billy Graham for that matter. And then there was Chuck Youngbrandt and so many others. It looks as though more people are being shown more these days, or is that part of living in an internet world? One thing for sure, the internet lets us search a lot of history for the records of what seers recorded in centuries past. And there's been a bunch of them, Catholic, communist and in between.

I remember three decades ago the Houston newspaper story about an elderly gentleman in some west Texas county who was known to be a seer and walked into town one day telling about the coming war with Russia that he'd been shown. Is that the war we have on our doorstep now? I wish I'd kept the article.

Some things I've noticed over the decades...
People do mistake warnings for set in stone prophecy.
People sometimes fail to discern that a warning means you can avoid what was shown.
People sometimes fail to appreciate that a warned of event may still occur though it is initially held off.

And how about those rascally heretics and nonbelievers? Yes, they too receive prophetic warnings that turn out to be accurate.

Prophecy is a fascinating subject for me, intimately intertwined with loving God, His involvement with what happens in this world, repentance and answered prayers.

[Gobeyond]

Some of those men whose names you mentioned are old men dreaming dreams and young men seeing visions as it says in scripture. They didn’t know what would happen, but it did and so it was from God. But God doesn’t give the future to men anymore. It must be a sixth sense or extrapolation. But I haven’t read any of them to be rigidly sure of my statements. I try not to be rigid. I just haven’t seen people who call themselves prophets with any sure backing like scripture, with its track record and all.

[Good Cheer]

Good morning Gobeyond.
I'm not familiar with the reasons for saying God doesn’t give the future to men anymore. Can you point me towards something?

[ioon44]

Amos 3:7
For the Lord God will do nothing, without revealing instruction to his servants the prophets.

[Rapier]

Either you believe or you do not believe. But I know from experience that some have a gift, most do not have the gift, either that or they ignore the the feelings or impressions. It probably has much to do with why some live to a ripe old age and others die in accidents when young. That is the best way for me to explain the impressions.
Never saw the light, but saw the life movie running, it does exist.

[dverna]

It is a good question.

If you dream something, and it happens was it God sending you a message or chance?
If you dream something and it does not happen, was it "just a dream"?

And the big question. Which dreams are you to rely upon?

The bigger question. How do you know a person telling you about their dream has been sent a message from God, had a normal" dream, or is making things up?

[Ickisrulz]

God gave us intelligence and the completed Bible. This is where we, as Christians, are to get our guidance from God.

The Bible covers thousands of years and reports very few prophetic dreams and visions and almost all of them are in the Old Testament and involve critical issues.

Christians should not expect God to reach out to them in visions or dreams (or audible voices). It would be way out of the norm. I am always suspicious of anyone claiming to have heard directly from God about mundane issues. That is not his way, if the Bible can be believed.

[Good Cheer]

My experience says that:
> Christians and people who are not Christians both sometimes have spiritual experiences and warnings of things to come, a fact that provides no indication as to whether God sends the warnings or not.
> God does sometimes send warnings to people.
> God sometimes intervenes in people's lives in ways that they can realize it was Him.
> God answers prayers.

My suspicions say:
> Most often God makes a point of not being obvious about what He is doing.
> Sometimes God wants a person to know something came from Him.
> Sometimes everything is already set up if you'll only pray and ask Him.

[Gobeyond]

Good morning Gobeyond.
I'm not familiar with the reasons for saying God doesn’t give the future to men anymore. Can you point me towards something?

The last few verses of rev 22.

[Good Cheer]

The last few verses of rev 22.

OK, thanks for getting back.

[fixit]

While some teach that the miraculous gifts died with the apostles, I have a somewhat nuanced view, that being that they are somewhat rare, and not to be trumpeted about. You must be cautious about the more publicly visible gifts, because they can and easily do become a distraction from the giver of the gift. Ultimately, the gifts are an aid in helping the church to function in a world that hates it, and would seek to alienate it from tasks that God would have us do. As for the prophetic, one must be wary, because there are elements in the spiritual realm that would mislead through counterfeit dreams and utterings. Any foreshadowing does not testify of God should be treated as suspect, and any that doesn't come true, to the letter, is false.

[Good Cheer]

Being interested over the years (obviously, from post #5) and reading what many have said they've been shown, much of what had been said has happened and is happening. I have to sit back and take the long view, to think about what I am seeing. Looks like someone getting it right doesn't mean in and of itself that he or she is a prophet of God. Or that their past track record is proof of future performance unless they are.

Gobeyond, with what you were saying in post #6, I suspect you are correct in there being a sixth sense in play. God made us spirit beings temporarily stuck in these meat suits. Experience in this 4D world demonstrates that He built into us some pretty amazing abilities with each of us having particular strengths and weaknesses. Maybe it goes by blood lines, maybe it goes by what we were before getting a meat suit, maybe a bit of both... Hey, maybe that's another one of those questions for the hereafter when it won't seem to matter.

Speaking about 4D (time), something I've noticed over the years is that when people do have foreknowledge there seems to be a dreadful pressure to figure out when whatever it is will occur. And people want to set a date. Not smart; because apparently that isn't how this reality is set up.

[ioon44]

Luke 13:34
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me.

Matthew 5:10-12 (NASB)

10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

[Hogtamer]

Christ himself was the last Prophet with the exception of the 2 who will appear in Jerusalem for a time in the last days.

[Thundarstick]

A few scriptures about the subject.

Was this the purpose of these gifts to fulfill scriptureand show the authenticity of the messenger, and message?

Act 2:16-21
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

It appears to me from scripture that the only way these gifts where received was through the laying on of hands of the apostles. Do you have scripture to prove that miraculous gifts where received in another way?
Note that these people had already received and believed the gospel, but no gifts of the Spirit.

Act 8:13-19

Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and JohnWho, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost

No matter where one falls in their belief in this subject, it would seem we should take these scriptures into account. Many of us(myself) believe that which is perfect is the God breathed scriptures.

1Co 13:8-10
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

As an aside. I have a close friend who speaks in tongues in his church and in his prayers. As I told him. "Who am I to say you don't speak in tongues? However I know I can't understand what in the world you are paying for, or to whom you are praying!

1Co 14:26-33

What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God. Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.

With that all said: I do believe God works through the Holy Spirit in our lives! I believe premonitions ARE a work of the Holy Spirit in believers lives, just as the way "luck" isn't luck in many instances, it's intervention!

[Good Cheer]

"With that all said: I do believe God works through the Holy Spirit in our lives! I believe premonitions ARE a work of the Holy Spirit in believers lives, just as the way "luck" isn't luck in many instances, it's intervention!"

Thundarstick, the wife and I have experienced premonitions and intervention so yeah, couldn't agree more.

[Ickisrulz]

Christ himself was the last Prophet with the exception of the 2 who will appear in Jerusalem for a time in the last days.

That is not correct.

Ephesians 4:11-12, "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ..."

[GhostHawk]

I'm with Good Cheer. My wife and I have experienced both several times. Always turned out that there was a good reason for it.

[barnabus]

often its nothing more than eating late and going to bed...

[Thundarstick]

often its nothing more than eating late and going to bed...

Probably just a bit of underdone beef or moldy cheese! [smilie=1:

[JSnover]

What if the actual mechanism is just an ability of our subconscious mind to make an accurate prediction based on a deeper understanding of circumstances and events? In the dream we might be more capable or just more aware, if that makes any sense; we're not as distracted as when we're awake.
God might decide the best time to reach some of us is when we're asleep.

[Good Cheer]

God does build into us some jaw dropping amazing abilities.

This guy, Robert Monroe, his discoveries starting in the late 1950's and the teaching techniques he developed show that indeed we actually are spirit beings stuck in meat suits. Perhaps he would have gotten a good laugh at the thought that his work provided more evidence for the factual basis of my God and Christianity, but hey, that's just the way it is!
https://i.imgur.com/E4z5Jd5.jpg

[Rizzo]

God does build into us some jaw dropping amazing abilities.

This guy, Robert Monroe, his discoveries starting in the late 1950's and the teaching techniques he developed show that indeed we actually are spirit beings stuck in meat suits. Perhaps he would have gotten a good laugh at the thought that his work provided more evidence for the factual basis of my God and Christianity, but hey, that's just the way it is!


As previously mentioned in another thread, I read Journeys Out of the Body years ago.
My recollection from that book was that in Monroe's experiences while "out of the body" he did not encounter any evidence of God.

I have a .PDF of the book and did a search on that issue.

Chapter 8 (“'CAUSE THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO”) states:
"To date, in twelve years of non-physical activities, I find no evidence to substantiate the biblical notions of God and afterlife in a place called heaven."

I have not read Monroe's later books.
In those books did he have some experiences that negated what he said above?

[Stacts]

What are you calling 'mechanism?' I think trying to identify a single 'mechanism' is a mistake.

[Good Cheer]

As previously mentioned in another thread, I read Journeys Out of the Body years ago.
My recollection from that book was that in Monroe's experiences while "out of the body" he did not encounter any evidence of God.

I have a .PDF of the book and did a search on that issue.

Chapter 8 (“'CAUSE THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO”) states:
"To date, in twelve years of non-physical activities, I find no evidence to substantiate the biblical notions of God and afterlife in a place called heaven."

I have not read Monroe's later books.
In those books did he have some experiences that negated what he said above?

Not that I know of. It's been a lot of years since reading Monroe's early works but I don't think he ever changed his opinion on the existence of God. Monroe's take on it was necessarily that we create reality.

[farmbif]

back to the OP's original question. I can only speak from my own experience which may be quite unique or maybe not but whichever it's strange that this is brought up today. let me try to explain a bit.
yesterday morning the brother of the woman I bought my house from called and said his sister is in hospital and is not expected to live mucxgh longer and he wanted me to know inviting me to visit with his family there at the hospital. this woman was so kind to me when I moved here its very hard to explain any other way than she treated me like her own family and invited me to family get togethers big pot luck meals and such and introduced me to many of the people I now know here.
a few years ago her brothers grandson who I became very close to and he would come over and help out on the farm and I would take him on trips and taught him some mechanical skills and things, anyway he committed suicide a few years ago at about midnight. that night when probably right after it happened I was awoken suddenly from a dream where he and another man were in my living room, they came to see me. I swear they were really here, spirits, ghosts???? this happened once again when the uncle of this young man died a couple years ago. anyway while talking with other family at the hospital yesterday they told me this was her grandparents house and after they died back in I guess the 60's the house was rented out and this woman's brother told me that these renters were chased off by ghosts in the house. after that happened this very kind woman I bought the house from moved in here when her husband returned from Vietnam had children and lived here till she could no longer care for the property and sold it to me.
so I do believe that there is more than we can possibly understand that goes on in our dreams.

[Dutchman]

What do you think is the mechanism involved for prophetic dreams?

Esoteric quantum physics.

Its a matter of consciousness, that the conscious mind taps into its super-consciousness, mostly momentarily, for the psyche to absorb an image or thought. Its built-in to the human's spiritual self.

Cosmic Consciousness by Maurice Burke
Altered States of Consciousness by Charles Tart
The writings of Gautama the Buddha
The Oversoul by Ralph Waldo Emerson 1840

The "mechanism" as you term it is not mechanical. Its so fluid as to escape concise definition. To put it another way: It is what it is whether you believe it or not.

Carl Gustav Jung, Quantum Physics and the Spiritual Mind:
A Mystical Vision of the Twenty-First Century
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4217602/


Can consciousness be explained by quantum physics?
My research takes us a step closer to finding out
https://theconversation.com/can-consciousness-be-explained-by-quantum-physics-my-research-takes-us-a-step-closer-to-finding-out-164582

Dutch

[ioon44]

Job 33:14-16
“Indeed God speaks once,
Or twice, yet no one notices it.
“In a dream, a vision of the night,
When sound sleep falls on men,
While they slumber in their beds,
Then He opens the ears of men,
And seals their instruction,

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God-Speaking

[Good Cheer]

Esoteric quantum physics.

Its a matter of consciousness, that the conscious mind taps into its super-consciousness, mostly momentarily, for the psyche to absorb an image or thought. Its built-in to the human's spiritual self.

Cosmic Consciousness by Maurice Burke
Altered States of Consciousness by Charles Tart
The writings of Gautama the Buddha
The Oversoul by Ralph Waldo Emerson 1840

The "mechanism" as you term it is not mechanical. Its so fluid as to escape concise definition. To put it another way: It is what it is whether you believe it or not.

Carl Gustav Jung, Quantum Physics and the Spiritual Mind:
A Mystical Vision of the Twenty-First Century
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4217602/


Can consciousness be explained by quantum physics?
My research takes us a step closer to finding out
https://theconversation.com/can-consciousness-be-explained-by-quantum-physics-my-research-takes-us-a-step-closer-to-finding-out-164582

Dutch

Hey Dutch. I don't think of it as mechanical either though the physical structure of our bodies is (no doubt in my mind) involved.
For a long time I was puzzled by an explanation of sorts that I received forty plus years or so ago. Best common frame of reference would be before the first space shuttle landing but that's about as close as I can get. What I saw was, well, just imagine a Coors commercial. Spring time in the Rockies! The water represented spirit and the rock and soil our flesh bodies. The ice melted and formed rivulets coming down the mountain side. Little bits of rock and soil were carried downstream until somewhere down the line they got dropped and would some day become rock again.

There's a book of thoughts I've kept over the years. This is what I scribbled.
As the soul of men the waters flow
Tearing soil from mountains as they go.
When I grow old and the current slows
Will summer's sun melt the winter's snow
And I make this journey ever more?
The date on the scribble says October '82.

Now, I understand that most would read that and think oh, that's only about reincarnation. But it's not. Reincarnation along with remembering what seemed to be previous lives was another hurdle in itself. The question really that plagued me was one concerning the nature and origin of our souls. If I was to take to heart that we are spiritually, collectively, all one with our creator and essentially just chips off the old block then it could play right into the new age trap (that nonsense about we are god, we are the creator). It bothered me for a lot of years. Until I finally wrapped my noggin around the simple scriptural fact that we pass through the water once. That we come from our father and we go back to our father.
How that all plays into the questions I had about prophetic dreams is learning that we're spirit beings temporarily stuck in these meat suits, temporarily wearing blinders. Oh, we can still push it, go play around with witchy stuff and exercise those spirit being capabilities if we really want to. I think our father is right and we shouldn't do that, that we should leave it up to our father for when He wants to put something in our in basket. And by the way, this late in life I'm pretty sure that there is also some kind of signal bleed over people sometimes experience as well. We have some pretty serious transmitting and receiving capabilities built into us that I suspect at least in part account for "past lives".
Any how, that's some of what I've come in accept.

[Rizzo]

..... The question really that plagued me was one concerning the nature and origin of our souls. If I was to take to heart that we are spiritually, collectively, all one with our creator and essentially just chips off the old block then it could play right into the new age trap (that nonsense about we are god, we are the creator). It bothered me for a lot of years. Until I finally wrapped my noggin around the simple scriptural fact that we pass through the water once.

GC, first, thanks for the reply on the Monroe question I had.

Regarding to part of your reply to Dutch (quoted above), I would say that the foundation for the beliefs that we have pretty much relate to the culture we were born into. A child born into a Jewish family will probably learn and practice the beliefs, rituals, etc. of that culture into his adulthood.

In India, (in a nutshell) reincarnation is part of their belief system with an emphasis on meditation as a means to attain higher Spiritual levels towards God Realization and ultimately achieving Oneness with God. These beliefs go back thousands of years and the Ancients have documented the methods and results of deep meditation that depict a different story than other "religions"

Those born into a Christian culture have their belief systems, with the Bible being the Source of how all of this stuff works.
Because the Bible says one thing and others say another....who is correct?

Each example above have God as the focus, but have different views on how it all works.

Prophetic Dreams, premonitions, etc. are not because of what your belief system is, in my opinion.

So, what to do and what to believe?
Trust your gut feeling and go with that.
God will judge your heart and love for Him in the end is what I believe.

[Good Cheer]

Hi Rizzo.
What I think is that our available Christian scripture doesn't tell us everything but what it does say is not in conflict with truth. From that basis I go with once through the water (then either welcomed home or booted out) rather than cycling through here time after time.
Deciding what I thought about reincarnation wasn't easy. Finally came to look at past life experiences as being signal bleed over. We were created with some really great antennas but sometimes poor signals processing yields confused messaging; no insult intended to those who have had to deal with remembering past lives.

[ioon44]

Rizzo
"Because the Bible says one thing and others say another....who is correct"


The Bible.

[Rizzo]

Rizzo
"Because the Bible says one thing and others say another....who is correct"


The Bible.

How do you know that?
Because the Bible says so?

I think that you have a strong faith that the Bible is correct and that other beliefs are wrong.
I also think that those with other beliefs would say the same as you regarding their "Book".

[ioon44]

I have seen lives (including my own) changed for the better by the teachings of the Bible.

Here are a couple of quotes that says it better than I can.

The Bible Contains Fulfilled Prophecy. quote from ARK Encounter
"The divine origin of the Bible is demonstrated through its frequent use of prophecy. Of all the “holy books” of the world, only the Bible contains accurate, predictive prophecy because only the God of the Bible knows the future and has the power to bring it to pass (Isaiah 46:9–12)."



Here is a quote from Answers by Billy Graham

"The main reason I know the Bible is true, however, is because it points us to Jesus Christ. He was God in human flesh, sent from Heaven to give us hope. This is why I invite you to make the greatest discovery you could ever make, by investigating with an open heart and mind what the Bible says about Jesus for yourself. Don’t let doubt, or pride, or anything else keep you from putting your faith and trust in Him."

[Stacts]

I recently learned of a fascinating passage in Job 38:31 (currently believed to be the oldest book in the Bible). From the NLT, "Can you direct the movement of the stars- Binding the cluster of the Pleiades or loosening the cords of Orion?"

Astronomers, through their telescopes, have learned that the Pleiades cluster was from from the same cloud of cosmic dust and it is moving in the same direction and at the same speed. Throughout all time, Pleiades will never change. Orion though? Two stars in Orion's belt are moving opposite one another. In a few hundred-thousand years, the belt will be gone.

There is no possible way that these observations could be made by the human eye over the course of a single lifetime, and so it beggars belief that this passage could have been written without divine inspiration. This passage is not unique among Biblical passages in this regard. In the 19th century, a man noted a different passage which referenced the paths of the deep. This caused him to search for and find what we now know as underwater currents. The Bible is filled with these strange predictions.

[Good Cheer]

Yep, scripture tells humanity what is going to happen before it happens to provide direct evidence of validity.
It's the same set up as screen writers borrowed for Josie Wales: If God's words of death are true then His words of life are true also.

This planet right now is dead center in the bulls eye of biblical prophecy showing God is right on target.
He's doing what He said.

[Charlie Horse]

I've never had a prophetic dream, but I have had a dream where someone who died let me know everything is OK.

[Ickisrulz]

How do you know that?
Because the Bible says so?

I think that you have a strong faith that the Bible is correct and that other beliefs are wrong.
I also think that those with other beliefs would say the same as you regarding their "Book".

The Bible "rings true." It simply makes the most sense when understood and carefully considered. It provides an explanation for and a solution to humanity's condition, rather than carrying our failures into the next life the way other religions do.

[Good Cheer]

Not condemning out of hand either persons or warnings they may receive, something to consider is what transpired in Acts 16, where the girl had an evil spirit of divination or rather Python (the Delphic serpent) in the Greek before the old Englishmen got hold of it.
Where our father gives us warnings, the devil can do his counterfeit in the world as well.

We were talking about it over breakfast, that Paul messed with the financial rewards received by the people running the Delphi temple somewhat as Jesus messed with the financial rewards received by the people running the Jerusalem temple.

[leek]

well said.

[Good Cheer]

A question for anyone...

Are there any published prophetic voices after the New Testament that you pay attention to?

[barnabus]

Good morning Gobeyond.
I'm not familiar with the reasons for saying God doesn’t give the future to men anymore. Can you point me towards something?

the inconvenient truth concerning this subject...

https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Cor%2013.8%E2%80%9310

[Good Cheer]

the inconvenient truth concerning this subject...

https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Cor%2013.8%E2%80%9310

Best read the entire chapter for context rather than cherry pick.

[pmer]

IMO, If you believe in God you have to know evil exists and that there is a spirit world and at times we interact with the spirit world. Not all of these spirits are "Godly" or have God's interest in mind. If one has a dream or develops some type of notion from what seems to be "other than from themselves" it could be or maybe was something weird. It might even be breathed from God. The best to do in a case like this is to balance whatever it was against the entirety of scripture, God will never lead you into something that's not Godly.
IMO Rev 22 is in a future time when the mystery that Paul, speaks about is lifted.

I've had several experiences with this at times in my life. Usually around stressful events. The range has been from beautiful to scared and even attacked. Don't go looking for it, it will happen when it happens.

[Good Cheer]

Spot on pmer. Going looking for it is like turning on the porch light in July; you're gonna attract some bugs.

[barnabus]

Best read the entire chapter for context rather than cherry pick.

read it may times the word stands as written.sorry that verse throws cold water on your theology...

[Good Cheer]

OK, what are you saying it says?
And how does it throw cold water on my theology?
Please if you would explain your thoughts.

[Good Cheer]

The last few verses of rev 22.

I went and looked. I don't see how that says God doesn’t give the future to men anymore.

[Good Cheer]

read it may times the word stands as written.sorry that verse throws cold water on your theology...

Reading what Paul was saying in chapters 12 through 14, I wish you'd responded with an explanation of what you meant.

[ioon44]

Amos 3:7

Certainly the sovereign LORD does nothing without first revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

[Good Cheer]

Some fun spooky stuff from a US government spook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRTon6qgVws

[Good Cheer]

Does the watchman requirement of Ezekiel 33 kick in here?
Are you required to speak up? I'm not seeing any way out of it.

[Nines&Twos]

A question for anyone...

Are there any published prophetic voices after the New Testament that you pay attention to?

[For me] Absolutely NOT. John the Baptist was the last prophet. Then Christ came...the Word is complete in Him. The disciples and Paul especially were extraordinary teachers. There are good TEACHERS even to this day. But....All post John prophets are liars. Our Father can tell us ANYTHING through His Word. Mark 13:23 ....Did HE say I told you most things? Did he tell us all things pertaining to so & so? NO....HE said I have foretold you ALL things. There's NOTHING new under the sun, an answer to anything and everything can be found through prayerful study. I wouldn't be shocked if Our Father could use His Word to simplify Ikea assembly instructions for an end table.

[Bowdrie]

Paul was much more than just a "teacher", he was an apostle, and he says that several times, and he was THE apostle to the Gentiles, and it's the gospel he wrote in 1st Corinthians 15:1>4 that is preached today, (or should be).
In 2nd Corinthians 12:1>5 he, (speaking in the third person,) specifically states that he was taken to heaven and given that gospel and the mysteries by God himself to share/preach.
In Romans 2:16, 16:25, and in 2nd Timothy 2:8 Paul calls it "my gospel", and it and the mysteries were given to no other, look at Acts 17:19>21.
Of course it was "God's gospel/gospel of Jesus", but it was given to Paul firsthand.
It's no wonder that Peter in 2nd Peter 3:16 said that Paul's writings were hard to understand.
Paul also wrote prophetically in sections of both 1st/2nd Thessalonians.

[Good Cheer]

Paul's expressions are often difficult to sort through, as though he forbade using a word where he could find room for two or three. Dealing with translations from the specificity of his Greek has led many into confusion, which makes individual study oh so important.

[Good Cheer]

[For me] Absolutely NOT. John the Baptist was the last prophet. Then Christ came...the Word is complete in Him. The disciples and Paul especially were extraordinary teachers. There are good TEACHERS even to this day. But....All post John prophets are liars. Our Father can tell us ANYTHING through His Word. Mark 13:23 ....Did HE say I told you most things? Did he tell us all things pertaining to so & so? NO....HE said I have foretold you ALL things. There's NOTHING new under the sun, an answer to anything and everything can be found through prayerful study. I wouldn't be shocked if Our Father could use His Word to simplify Ikea assembly instructions for an end table.

We have two thousand years of the church and people within it who have received prophetic knowledge from our creator. Recorded in the word there are prophets of old and also the acknowledgement and some instruction to those in the church who experience being given prophetic knowledge. So I thought to ask: "A question for anyone... Are there any published prophetic voices after the New Testament that you pay attention to?" But perhaps a more pressing matter could be how would you determine who to pay attention to as there is but one test for the veracity of prophecies. As if to say, unless you personally know someone and have sufficient confidence in them as to take their words to heart, all you could do would be to sit back and observe; i.e., inaction. But prophecy is intended for edification and warning, a prompting to action. So it's a bit of a conundrum for me as a Christian, for while I would not automatically dismiss all prophetic voices neither do I embrace any as necessarily being received from God. But if they're merchandising their words, eh, what can you do but roll your eyes and move on?

[.429&H110]

Hebrews 1

10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Amen
Ministering spirits? And that is in the present tense.
We need ears to hear, discernment and prayer, meditation and study of the Word of God.
When you dream, your limited filing system is trying to sort it all out,
maybe with help, prayers answered,
how does consciousness work, anyway?

Figure out consciousness, you will get a Nobel Prize.
I don't believe we can, though.

[Alabama358]

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Of course it was "God's gospel/gospel of Jesus", but it was given to Paul firsthand.
It's no wonder that Peter in 2nd Peter 3:16 said that Paul's writings were hard to understand.
Paul also wrote prophetically in sections of both 1st/2nd Thessalonians.

You also said something similar a few weeks ago

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You obviously have no clue about the differences between James 2:24 and Ephesians 2:8>9.
You're not the only one, in 2nd.Peter 3:16 Peter has a hard time understanding some of Paul's writings.

Of course he would, he was an Apostle to the Jews, Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles.

Let us take a look at what the scripture actually says without pulling or twisting it...

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

see Above... I have highlighted it to make it easier for you to understand

Is Peter saying HE has a hard time understanding Paul's writings

OR ...

Is he saying the unlearned (ignorant) and unstable (not firmly established) wrest (pull or twist) Paul's writings the same way they do other scripture (not just Paul's)... and they do so to there own destruction. Finally a warning in verses 17 not to be led down the same path by these foolish wicked folks spreading false doctrine.


I think it is ironic that your effort to use 2 Peter 3:16 to push a false doctrine of...
"Peter being the Apostle to the Jews and Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles and that there is separate Gospels - Salvation Plans - Destinations for Jews vs Gentiles"
is exactly what Peter was warning about.

Peter was not confused and did not have a hard time understanding Paul's writings on end times or anything else for that matter... to imply such a thing negates that fact that Christ breathed the Holy Spirit into him (John 20:22) AND he was present at the day of Pentecost and was filled with The Holy Spirit. Acts 2

[Nines&Twos]

I got a prophecy for you....some childish dummy will win the election this year.



And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.


I jest but it's a sad state of affairs when this is ALL you have to offer. We can't find ANYONE better? Nobody?




Peter was not confused.... He had his faults but I gotta agree, Peter got to drink from the SOURCE of the well....not down stream...right from where it flows. I could never be compelled to believe he was confused on anything given the responsibility he was given.

[Alabama358]

I got a prophecy for you....some childish dummy will win the election this year.

I jest but it's a sad state of affairs when this is ALL you have to offer. We can't find ANYONE better? Nobody?


One can only take comfort in the knowledge that the God is in control... like when Christ educated Pilate on where his power was derived

John 19:11 (KJV) Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

With that in mind, I am still not sure how Puddin-head got elected :Bright idea: or did he?

Hosea 8:4 (KJV)
4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

[Nines&Twos]

Very much right 'Bama....it wouldn't make a difference if biden got elected for 12 more years and he rolled a smoke with the constitution. Won't stop us from grumbling about it though.
Every time I pray...I pray HIS will be done and you know what...I always get a yes from Him on that one. To the ruler of the 4 hidden dynasties...do your worst...you're still a loser.

[Bowdrie]

Some seem not to understand Acts 17:18>20.
Specifically verse 19, from the KJB

"And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?"

See where it says "new doctrine"? Yes, it was "new", it was a "new gospel".
That "new gospel" was one of the mysteries that Paul was given, it was not the same gospel that the apostles had been preaching, it wasn't the gospel in the OT, it wasn't the gospel that Phillip preached to the eunuch in the chariot.
And it wasn't the gospel that Jesus told the disciples to preach in Matthew 4:17, (Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand,) and compare it with what He told them to preach in Mark 16:16, (Believe and be baptized,) Peter in Acts 2:38, (Repent and be baptized,) now look what Paul says in Acts 16:30>31, and 1st Corinthians 15:1>4.
Paul was given several "mysteries" that were not spoken about by any of the OT prophets, nor the other apostles.
That there were different gospels preached throughout the Bible at different times cannot be denied.
Yeah, Peter got to "drink from the well", but to think that Paul, who was taken to the third heaven and spoken to by God was somehow "downstream", or not as good as what Peter saw/heard is not correct.
Since God spoke to Paul and "gave him a commission" so to speak, there has been but one gospel and one path of salvation, it's been so for almost 2K years.

[Alabama358]

Some seem not to understand Acts 17:18>20. Understand it well... you should try reading the WHOLE chapter
Specifically verse 19, from the KJB

"And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?" who is the "they"
(Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him) heathen Idolaters that were worshiping at an alter with an inscription "TO THE UNKNOWN GOD"... So I guess it is safe to say that it was a new doctrine to them... not different from the other apostles... but new to the Heathen that have never heard the Gospel of Jesus the Christ...You just need to read the whole chapter (in the Bible) and you might get it

See where it says "new doctrine"? Yes, it was "new", it was a "new gospel".It says New Doctrine... not New Gospel, that is your twist

That "new gospel" Doesnt say new Gospel was one of the mysteries that Paul was given, it was not the same gospel that the apostles had been preaching, it wasn't the gospel in the OT, it wasn't the gospel that Phillip preached to the eunuch in the chariot.Hogwash
And it wasn't the gospel that Jesus told the disciples to preach in Matthew 4:17, (Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand,) and compare it with what He told them to preach in Mark 16:16, (Believe and be baptized,) Peter in Acts 2:38, (Repent and be baptized,) now look what Paul says in Acts 16:30>31, and 1st Corinthians 15:1>4.
Paul was given several "mysteries" that were not spoken about by any of the OT prophets, nor the other apostles.
That there were different gospels preached throughout the Bible at different times cannot be denied.

Yeah, Peter got to "drink from the well", but to think that Paul, who was taken to the third heaven and spoken to by God was somehow "downstream", or not as good as what Peter saw/heard is not correct.I do not think anyone said Paul was drinking downstream... That is you building a straw-man argument, stick to the facts
Since God spoke to Paul and "gave him a commission" so to speak, So to speak? lol there has been but one gospel and one path of salvation, it's been so for almost 2K years.

You must be reading someone's crib notes because there is no way you could read the whole of scripture and come up with this dung.

Just a point of fact... If you actually read Acts chapter 17, it blows up the idea that Paul was the an apostle to the gentiles only... notice that every new town he goes to he first hits the synagogue of the Jews for weeks at a time and gets as many Jews as he can saved and then goes to work on the Greeks/Gentiles. Do you recon he was preaching different programs to each based on their ethnicity?

Of course not, same message, same Gospel, same as the other apostles
They were all on the same page... you may be on a different page, but they were all singing off the same sheet of music

[725]

Charlie Horse ~ I just had the same experience. It was profound and comforting.

[Bowdrie]

Read Galatians 2:7>9, KJB
7, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;".

8, (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9, "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."

You question my use of the word "Downstream"? read post #63.
You laughed at my use of given a commission, so to speak?, read Colossians 1:25, the KJB uses the word "dispensation", (you know, the word you can't stand).
The NIV, Berean Standard, New American Standard, Christian Standard, International Standard Version, all use the word "Commission".
Then of course that dreaded word for you, "dispensation" comes up again in the:
Douay-Rheims, English Revised Version, Literal Standard Version, Websters Bible Translation, Majority Standard Bible, and some others, but you get the point.

The bitter angry people who are always attacking others over motes need to first remove the beams from their own eyes.
Those who are ingrained into covenant/replacement theology are unable to accept that while the message of God/Jesus is all thru the Bible, that ~80% of the Bible is directly concerned with Israel, (My Land,) Jerusalem, (My City,) Jews, (My People).

When the "Church" starts inserting itself literally as taking the place of Israel/Jews then they go all thru the scriptures trying to pound square pegs into round holes, it's really selfish, they think everything is about "Them".
That's why they can't properly discern many things, they can't discern the proper meanings of the parable of the 10 virgins, or the conversation that Jesus had with Nicodemus in John 3, or about the "Little Flock" in Luke 12, and how in connects to the parable of the workers in Matthew 20, or when Paul speaks to both Jews and Gentiles in 1st. Corinthians 6 about judging "angels" vs judging the "world".
They don't understand the difference between the "Kingdom of Heaven" and the "Kingdom of God". or that the "Kingdom OF Heaven" is not a "Kingdom IN Heaven", or that the 24 Elders are not of the Church.
They don't understand that the final destinations of the Jews, the Church, and those under the alter, (the tribulation martyrs, "those waving the palm branches") are different.
They can't understand the differences between Ephesians 2:8>9 and James 2:24, and why that James was written ~10 years before Ephesians it comes after it in the order of the books, and they can't understand the "shortening of days", even though it hides in plain sight in Daniel.
And they'll never understand that in the original Greek that Paul wrote in, the "falling away" in 2nd. Thessalonians 2 was a single root word with an "N" prefix, it denoted a onetime physical departure, not an over-time spiritual "falling away".
I could go on for pages, but I can't make a blind man see, nor can I remove the beams from their eyes.

[Good Cheer]

Yesterday I watched an interview that had been recorded last March where a fellow Christian told of what God had shown him concerning the attempted assassination, how the bullet would pass close by President Trump's right ear and the things to come in the months following. It's wonderful of God to want to let us know. It's wonderful of Him to show us that He is in charge.

[Nines&Twos]

Do you have a link or keyword(s) so I can find it? That sounds interesting.

[Good Cheer]

I saw it on yesterday's trunews broadcast as they were discussing the video from (elsewhere) last March. The audio replay is available on various platforms but I don't know where the video may be available except on
https://www.trunews.com

Did a search on the guy's name and this article popped up.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2479939/who-is-brandon-biggs-the-pastor-who-predicted-trumps-assassination-bid

[Good Cheer]

Oh boy. Looks like the Lebanon war is about to crank up.

[worker]

What do you think is the mechanism involved for prophetic dreams?

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/26635.1?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

In Judaism, prophets were seen as having attained the highest degree of holiness, scholarship, and closeness to God and set the standards for human perfection. The Talmud reports that there were more than a million prophets, but most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in Scripture. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Bilaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22, and Job, who is considered a non-Jew by most rabbinical opinions). The prophet Jonah was sent on a mission to speak to the gentiles of the city of Nineveh.

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The view is that everybody may receive various messages, but it is their interpretation (and who interprets them) -- is what acts as a necessary ingredient of materialization.

[Good Cheer]

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/26635.1?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

In Judaism, prophets were seen as having attained the highest degree of holiness, scholarship, and closeness to God and set the standards for human perfection. The Talmud reports that there were more than a million prophets, but most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in Scripture. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Bilaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22, and Job, who is considered a non-Jew by most rabbinical opinions). The prophet Jonah was sent on a mission to speak to the gentiles of the city of Nineveh.

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The view is that everybody may receive various messages, but it is their interpretation (and who interprets them) -- is what acts as a necessary ingredient of materialization.

Thanks for the link to some very interesting reading.

My take on it is that receiving information about events that later come to pass doesn't make you "a prophet". That it's apples and oranges. That for sure and certain the capabilities are built into people by our creator, to varying degrees to individuals the same as other skills, but that's not the same as being contacted by Him. But that said, if you've received warning of something then does Ezekiel 33 kick in? Just some things I've pondered.

[Alabama358]

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/26635.1?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

In Judaism, prophets were seen as having attained the highest degree of holiness, scholarship, and closeness to God and set the standards for human perfection. The Talmud reports that there were more than a million prophets, but most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in Scripture. The Talmud reports that there were prophets among the gentiles (most notably Bilaam, whose story is told in Numbers 22, and Job, who is considered a non-Jew by most rabbinical opinions). The prophet Jonah was sent on a mission to speak to the gentiles of the city of Nineveh.

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The view is that everybody may receive various messages, but it is their interpretation (and who interprets them) -- is what acts as a necessary ingredient of materialization.

Rabbinic Judaism, and the Talmud believe Jesus the Christ was a fake and fraud and believe that Jesus derived his power via satan and not GOD. They are antichrist.
As far as I am concerned anything written in the Talmud is worthless and irrelevant, YMMV

1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

[Good Cheer]

Not that it has anything to do with prophetic dreams but segments of the three major religions of the region are all expecting their savior/leader to appear soon. Looks like the stage is set for quite a performance before Jesus shuts it down.

[ioon44]

We need to remember the fake one shows up first.

[Good Cheer]

Yes indeed. Setting the stage for his arrival has long been in the purposes of those guiding the course of events in the Middle East. Get the people there so they can build the temple, build it so he can sit in it, give people the opportunity to decide who they want to worship. The plan is coming together.

[Good Cheer]

I still wrestle with the Ezekiel 33 requirements placed upon the watchman.