Gen 5 Glock sighting in.

[cwtebay]

Let me begin with the fact that I am not a Glock guy at all, I personally don't enjoy shooting them - no real specific reason - just not my cuppa.
I won one in a raffle and just picked it up yesterday. My son and I took it out last evening for a test drive.
The pistol shot 5" high and 4" left at 15 yards to begin with. I adjusted the sight for vertical to the maximum amount, and drifted for windage until the rear sight is now partially hanging out. It still shoots 3" high and 1-2" to the left.
We put around 100 rounds through it and used red box federal, white box Winchester and some CCI. I have not slugged the barrel, but cannot imagine that it should be this far off.
Should I plan on purchasing after market sights? Send it back?
Thank you.




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[AnthonyB]

If they are the stock Glock plastic sights I would definitely plan on replacing them. It is an easy job; all you will need is the proper tool to tighten the nut on the new front sight.

That said; I have no idea why yours doesn’t shoot to the sights. How did you adjust the sight to lower the impact?
Tony

[Larry Gibson]

I remember when the Glock was introdued years ago. It was touted as the "perfect design".....now it's on "gen 5".........

[Bigslug]

Elevation: Plenty of combinations available to fix that. The OEM plastic sights are pretty much installed with the assumption they're going to get replaced anyway. Ameriglo and Dawson Precision both offer a wide range of different height front and rear sights that will get you in the game. Glock too, for that matter. Before you try ANY of that, however, try blacking out the white inserts with a dry-erase marker. The white blobs don't do you any favors where a clear sight picture is concerned.

Windage: 99% of all folks new to Glocks chuck their rounds to the support hand side, and a brand new Glock with a trigger connector/trigger bar interface that hasn't worn in yet won't help. Keep that interface lubed per instructions, then make sure your right arm and wrist are locked out and your trigger finger is pulling straight back at your shoulder, not pressing or curling the gun left. Finally, treat your sight picture like you're shooting a DA revolver with the realization that you have to constantly tweak alignment until the shot breaks. I suspect you have a little bit of the "single action" tendency to start looking downrange just before the shot actually breaks, which takes your eyes of the sight picture breaking left.

[Finster101]

Glocks are a fine weapon I suppose, just not for me. Had I won it I believe I would have seen what I could trade it for before even shooting it.

[cwtebay]

Elevation: Plenty of combinations available to fix that. The OEM plastic sights are pretty much installed with the assumption they're going to get replaced anyway. Ameriglo and Dawson Precision both offer a wide range of different height front and rear sights that will get you in the game. Glock too, for that matter. Before you try ANY of that, however, try blacking out the white inserts with a dry-erase marker. The white blobs don't do you any favors where a clear sight picture is concerned.

Windage: 99% of all folks new to Glocks chuck their rounds to the support hand side, and a brand new Glock with a trigger connector/trigger bar interface that hasn't worn in yet won't help. Keep that interface lubed per instructions, then make sure your right arm and wrist are locked out and your trigger finger is pulling straight back at your shoulder, not pressing or curling the gun left. Finally, treat your sight picture like you're shooting a DA revolver with the realization that you have to constantly tweak alignment until the shot breaks. I suspect you have a little bit of the "single action" tendency to start looking downrange just before the shot actually breaks, which takes your eyes of the sight picture breaking left.Boy, that's all good information! Thank you.
I should have mentioned that my son (a fair shot with a handgun, and has considerable experience) is left handed - I am right handed. I am definitely not taking user error out of the equation!

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[44MAG#1]

I shoot high and slightly left with a Glock. NEVER had to drift the sights much to the right to cure the windage situation. Glock rears come in different heights. Surely you can figure the height you need. Dry fire and see if your front sight goes to the right alot when the trigger breaks. If it does then you are the windage problem. Learn to control the trigger better.

[cwtebay]

If they are the stock Glock plastic sights I would definitely plan on replacing them. It is an easy job; all you will need is the proper tool to tighten the nut on the new front sight.

That said; I have no idea why yours doesn’t shoot to the sights. How did you adjust the sight to lower the impact?
TonyI didn't really adjust the height, I used the 2nd sight included in the kit.

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[Winger Ed.]

Those sights may be 'calibrated' for a slower and or heavier bullet.

[AnthonyB]

2nd sight in the kit? That is a new one to me. Thank you; I learned something!
Tony

[cwtebay]

2nd sight in the kit? That is a new one to me. Thank you; I learned something!
TonyThere was a little goodie bag with the "G" on the outside of it, assuming that it was included?

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[cwtebay]

I shoot high and slightly left with a Glock. NEVER had to drift the sights much to the right to cure the windage situation. Glock rears come in different heights. Surely you can figure the height you need. Dry fire and see if your front sight goes to the right alot when the trigger breaks. If it does then you are the windage problem. Learn to control the trigger better.Like I said - not excluding me as the cause. Ordinarily, I would say that it is - but it's so consistently off to the same degree with both left and right handed shooters, and the POI is so proportionally off when increasing or decreasing distance. I never have liked having a firearm that has a different "hold". And yes, I can figure out the difference - but the sight will be proud of the dovetail for windage and the elevation would have to be a different "hold".
I handed it to my brother this morning, he shot it with similar results (he's definitely a Glock guy) and I shot his Gen 2 with no real issues.
I gave it to a fella at church that shoots competition, we'll have to see what he comes up with.




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[44MAG#1]

Like I said - not excluding me as the cause. Ordinarily, I would say that it is - but it's so consistently off to the same degree with both left and right handed shooters, and the POI is so proportionally off when increasing or decreasing distance. I never have liked having a firearm that has a different "hold". And yes, I can figure out the difference - but the sight will be proud of the dovetail for windage and the elevation would have to be a different "hold".
I handed it to my brother this morning, he shot it with similar results (he's definitely a Glock guy) and I shot his Gen 2 with no real issues.
I gave it to a fella at church that shoots competition, we'll have to see what he comes up with.




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All I'm saying is in 51 years of shooting handguns I have only seen one that required me moving a rear sight more than a few thousands to correct the windage. If I have had to move the sight more than a few thousands it was me that was the trouble.
You problem may be something mechanical. One can't rule that out either.

[Bigslug]

Boy, that's all good information! Thank you.
I should have mentioned that my son (a fair shot with a handgun, and has considerable experience) is left handed - I am right handed. I am definitely not taking user error out of the equation!

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Assuming the gun is good to go, high impacts are often the result of looking over the gun at the last instant before the bullet exits. This is all stuff that happens in tiny fractions of seconds, but if you're trying to see the hole as soon as the gun fires, your lizard brain tells you to get that gun out of your eyeballs way, while at the same time you're trying to keep your front sight on target. Result is the back of the gun dips down and the front effectively rises.

Much like the windage issue I mentioned, follow through on your sight picture all the way until AFTER the shot is key.

Basically think in terms of tweaking your arm and grip so hopefully the gun CAN'T go offline, then adjust your sighting process so you can perceive it when it does.

[dverna]

The only thing I can add is shoot it off a rest and see where it groups. I had to drift the rear sight on mine a wee bit, but elevation was fine.

Good luck

[cwtebay]

I really appreciate everyone's input and help. I'm really hoping it's just the jackwagon holding the darn thing. I know that even suggesting that Gaston's work isn't the epitome of perfection is closing in on blasphemy to most, but the ones I have shot (and I have owned a couple in the past) just seemed better than this one. I'm looking forward to hearing results from my friend.

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[FergusonTO35]

Also, don't assume that the super high grip which swallows the gun being pushed by all the reviewers is right for you. I find it causes my trigger finger to slant downwards, making trigger control much harder. I try to keep my trigger finger on a horizontal plane with the barrel, which means I actually have a little daylight between the web of my palm and the beavertail of the grip. I have always found striker fired autos are way more sensitive to minor adjustments in grip and trigger finger placement than other guns.

[nicholst55]

I typically shoot my Glock(s) slightly high and left, unless I really concentrate. Not as much as the OP, maybe 1-2 inches each way. It doesn't really bother me, because I don't regard them as "target" pistols. In a self-defense situation, such a minor difference won't matter anyway.

[Greg G]

I have a few Glocks now. I hated them until I bought one. I took it to the range and it went Bang on every trigger pull and was accurate, for what it is.

Is your gun new in box? Or has it been modified? The reason I ask is I haven't seen one NIB with adjustable sights. Maybe they make some that way. I just haven't seen them. Also, the Gen 5 guns have the sights set up to "Drive the dot", meaning the bullet impact is intended to go where the dot on the front sight is. Previous guns were set up for a 5 o'clock hold, which I prefer. Shooting a Gen 5 using a 6 o'clock hold will shoot low.

[txbirdman]

I’ve got a Gen 4 Glock 19. Thought it was shooting way left until I shot it off bags. That’s when I realized it was me camming the gun left as I pulled that mushy trigger. Started experimenting with different grip and found that by putting my strong hand thumb over my support hand thumb and engaging the trigger at the joint of my trigger rectified the camming effect.

[Idaho45guy]

What model? Factory adjustable sights?

I have bought about a dozen or so Glocks over the years and only one needed any sight adjustment at all.

Ignore the ignorant Glock haters; worthless drivel. Might want to go to GlockTalk.com and ask there. They will likely refer you to trying to get used to the trigger pull or grip. There is a chart.

The trigger pull is 5.5 lbs. Same amount that my new 1911 came with. Only difference is that if I want to lighten the Glock trigger and smooth it out, it costs me $20 and 30 minutes with some polishing compound rather than $200 and months at a gunsmith.

A pistol that far off at 15 yards is either seriously screwed up, or the trigger puller is.

[Hickok]

Only one of many Glocks I have/or have owned needed sight work. My G20 10 mm was shooting 4 inches high @ 25 yards, sandbagged and off handed, 180 gr load @ 1200 fps. Ordered a lower Glock 6.1mm rear sight, replaced the higher rear sight, and put the impact right where I wanted it. I have been fortunate that all my other Glocks have shot at/or close to point-of-aim for me and my loads.

I agree with Idaho45guy, the fellows on the Glock site may have some incite to your problem.

When it comes to people not liking Glocks,...

I could show someone a pure gold bar, right out of Fort Knox,....and someone would tell me it was too heavy, too big, and not the correct color!.....a worthless piece of junk!!!:bigsmyl2:

[Wild Bill 7]

I have a gen 1 g17. For the life of me I couldn’t hit what I was aiming at. It was mostly me, at that time I shot left handed and I’m right eye dominate. My mentor was a Glock armorer and put the adjustable rear sight on and adjusted the sight for me. Later he got me to shoot right handed and readjusted the sight and as long as I do my part it’s right on target. When I learned to not try to see where the boolit was going and watch the front sight through the shot I shot so much better.

[cwtebay]

Didn't mean to hit send....will finish later

[Idaho45guy]

Only one of many Glocks I have/or have owned needed sight work. My G20 10 mm was shooting 4 inches high @ 25 yards, sandbagged and off handed, 180 gr load @ 1200 fps. Ordered a lower Glock 6.1mm rear sight, replaced the higher rear sight, and put the impact right where I wanted it. I have been fortunate that all my other Glocks have shot at/or close to point-of-aim for me and my loads.

I agree with Idaho45guy, the fellows on the Glock site may have some incite to your problem.

When it comes to people not liking Glocks,...

I could show someone a pure gold bar, right out of Fort Knox,....and someone would tell me it was too heavy, too big, and not the correct color!.....a worthless piece of junk!!!:bigsmyl2:

Yep. There are guns that don't fit everyone, or have odd triggers, or have something that some folks just don't like.

But when it comes to Glocks, you'd think some of these people were inappropriately touched by one due to the inane lengths they go to in posting that they hate them.

I don't understand it. It's just a pistol. It didn't take your sister too far on a date. Get over it.

[Finster101]

Yep. There are guns that don't fit everyone, or have odd triggers, or have something that some folks just don't like.

But when it comes to Glocks, you'd think some of these people were inappropriately touched by one due to the inane lengths they go to in posting that they hate them.

I don't understand it. It's just a pistol. It didn't take your sister too far on a date. Get over it.



Then there are those who go overboard to defend them.

[Idaho45guy]

Then there are those who go overboard to defend them.

Agreed. Glock fan boys are as annoying as the haters. Glocks have an amazing reputation because they are extremely reliable, durable, and reasonably accurate. But there are many polymer pistols out there that have better triggers, sights, ergonomics, and are just as reliable. Glocks are the number one pistol for law enforcement because of their LE sales tactics and not because they are the best pistol.

I have 5 Glocks because I got into GSSF matches and enjoy the fun. Three of my Glocks were bought mostly for matches, one for woods carry, and one for defensive carry.

I have 9 other pistols from Ruger, Colt, Remington, Sig Sauer, Springfield Armory, S&W, Uberti, and Taurus.

I like most guns and can find some good in most of them.

But people who bash an entire brand due to subjective things like how they fit their hand and how they look annoy the heck out of me.

[FergusonTO35]

I only like Glocks because they function really well, you can get any part you need instantly from many sources, and there is so much aftermarket support that you can build one any way you want to - even without using a single factory part. It's the small block Chevy of pistols!

[farmbif]

if you plan on keeping it you might consider a barrel from storm lake or Wilson , might change things up a bit

[Idaho45guy]

if you plan on keeping it you might consider a barrel from storm lake or Wilson , might change things up a bit

Storm Lake is garbage. Bought a barrel from them for my Gen 4 G19 and it increased group sizes 100%. I called them and they said not their problem. Sent it to a gunsmith on this forum who worked on it and sent it back and it was the same.

I've used KKM barrels and they are fine barrels, but no more accurate than factory. I've also used Lone Wolf and it was inaccurate. Sent it back and it was returned dirty with no explanation as to what they did, but it was actually much more accurate after that.

This was several years ago when my eyes were better and a 1" group at 25 yards was the gold standard. Now, it's 2", as that seems about the best I can do.

[Charlie Horse]

I'm not a Glock guy either, but one came along, and I've kind of had my eye out for a small, reliable semi auto - so I grabbed it. Mine is a G26.5. This is my first black, plastic gun. Been shooting some lubed/cast, but have mostly gone to powder coated. It's an impressive little machine. Reliable and accurate with my Lee 105 SWC's and 124 TLTC's, both powder coated. The 105's are very accurate but I'll get an occasional hiccup with them. The 124's are 100% reliable, but not as accurate.
Mine had the glow sights added by the original owner. They are nice.

I've heard the warning about shooting cast in a Glock. We brush after every meal.:kidding:

[W.R.Buchanan]

Every Glock I have owned has shot to the sights right out of the box. G35, G23, G21sf and G36 The G35 and G21SF got Dawson Sights and were sighted in dead on at 5 yards with the Square Target Dot sitting directly on top of the Front Sight. The G23 got True Glo TFO night sights and shot to the sights after installation by Eyeball. IE; Centered on the slide. They all get nothing but Reloads shot in them.

as far as down range accuracy I put a Burris Fast Fire 3 on the G35 got it dead on at 75 yards, and while using a 1 Shot Pistol Brace I was able to hit,,, 10/10 on Silhouette Chickens at 50 M, 9/10 on Pigs at 100 M, 4/10 on Turkeys at 150M and 6/10 on Rams at 200M!

That proves the accuracy of these guns is not a problem. The 1 Shot Pistol Brace made all the difference in the world !

Randy

[FergusonTO35]

Storm Lake is garbage. Bought a barrel from them for my Gen 4 G19 and it increased group sizes 100%. I called them and they said not their problem. Sent it to a gunsmith on this forum who worked on it and sent it back and it was the same.


How long ago was this? I bought SL tubes for my 19 and 26 back when they were an independent company. I asked them if they could throat and crown for cast boolits similar to what Doug Guy does and they did both barrels for free with one week turnaround.

[Idaho45guy]

How long ago was this? I bought SL tubes for my 19 and 26 back when they were an independent company. I asked them if they could throat and crown for cast boolits similar to what Doug Guy does and they did both barrels for free with one week turnaround.

It was a couple of years ago, after they were bought out by that evil conglomerate taht bought Remington and ran it into the ground.

It looks like Palmetto State Armory bought Storm Lake recently, so who knows if they are good again.

[dverna]

Storm Lake is garbage. Bought a barrel from them for my Gen 4 G19 and it increased group sizes 100%. I called them and they said not their problem. Sent it to a gunsmith on this forum who worked on it and sent it back and it was the same.

I've used KKM barrels and they are fine barrels, but no more accurate than factory. I've also used Lone Wolf and it was inaccurate. Sent it back and it was returned dirty with no explanation as to what they did, but it was actually much more accurate after that.

This was several years ago when my eyes were better and a 1" group at 25 yards was the gold standard. Now, it's 2", as that seems about the best I can do.

I am very satisfied with a Glock that will average 3” groups at 25 yards off a rest. I doubt 2% of folks could average 3” groups with a match pistol using a two handed hold unless shooting off a bench with a rest. But we do not have bench rests when a pistol is needed for what a Glock is intend for....killing people.

For a combat gun, the accuracy levels you expect are not needed and unachievable by most people.

I have never seen a Glock that could average 2” at 25 yards. I would certainly treasure a Glock that performs at that level.

I never tested the two Clark match guns at 25 yards (only at 50 yards). I expect they would hold 1”. But they are hand fitted and not Tupperware. LOL. To be honest, I could never shoot that well even off a bench, but my mentor had a Ransom rest for load testing.

IMO expecting a drop in barrel for a Glock to shoot 2” groups at 25 yards is unrealistic.

[Idaho45guy]

For a combat gun, the accuracy levels you expect are not needed and unachievable by most people.

I have never seen a Glock that could average 2” at 25 yards.

Why do you think a 2" average group size at 25 yards with a rest is not needed for a "combat gun"? Is there no conceivable need for self defense at 25 yards? Has there been no incident of self-defense that involves distances at 25 yards?

I regularly achieve excellent group sizes with my Glocks. I have videos of me shooting Glocks and other pistols to achieve these groups. Just because you've never seen an accurate Glock doesn't mean they aren't common.

[rbuck351]

I'm not a Glock hater but I don't care for them much. I had a Gen 1 Glock 21 and it shot quite well and in my job I was assigned a Glock 22 which also shot well enough. The issue I have with them is the gun doesn't fit me well. Both are pointing high and left when I pull up on target and I have to force myself to point in low and right. I never had any malfunctions with either and being used to shooting revolvers DA the triggers weren't a problem. They are good guns, they just don't fit me well.