Info on cap and ball replica quality.

[ItllKeal]

I know there's alot of different antique replica revolvers out there. I'm looking to get a 1858 Remington Army and don't know which brand to buy. I plan on getting a target style to hunt with. Anyone have advice about Uberti, Cimarron, Traditions exc. All opinions are welcome and appreciated.
Thanks. Nothing new under the sun

[smithnframe]

Uberti I is the best quality!

[armoredman]

I have only two, Uberti and Pietta, an 1860 and 1851, respectively. The Uberti just seems to be better made, but it's a small sample. I have heard many brand new BP revolvers need tuning right out the door, just the nature of the beast.

[missionary5155]

I wold agree with Uberti. We have several models.
The 1858's are a stronger frame. They will hold up better than the 1860 Colt types.

[derek45]

I have a Pietta 1860 Army that I got on sale at Cabelas about 15-20 years ago.

I also have a Remington New Army I bought earlier this year.

both are Pietta and it seems like the quality of the newer Remington is higher.

In other words, I think the new Piettas are nicer quality

They are a ton of fun.

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[358429]

Handloading and fireballs are proportionally related to how much fun you are having!

[Baltimoreed]

My first c&b was a Hawes 1858 Remington from Navy Arms. Telling you how old I am. I was wanting a Colt 1860 but somehow I ended up with the ‘58. Shot it for a while and then found a ROA. I have several Uberti cartridge revolvers and rifles and while their ‘66-‘73 rifles are problematic their revolvers seem to be good to go. Have a good time, they are a hoot to shoot. Great balls o’ fire!

[johnsonian09]

The uberti actions feel better. The hammer, trigger, everything. Out of the box you will get a nice gun that's properly tuned. Everytime.

I'f your comfortable with doing minor file work you can save a dime with the piettas.
Out of the box they are not consistent gun to gun. Some might be perfect, others not so. I had to learn how to retime a revolver on mine but once I did it it was perfect.

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[ItllKeal]

Do you know if the 1858 Remington has the same cylinder as the carbine model

[Tar Heel]

Either one will work just fine. Availability may be the deciding factor. Pietta, Uberti, or Pedersoli. The Cimmaron and Tailor's Brand are both Italian revolvers made by either Uberti or Pietta.

[missionary5155]

The question on the size of the Remington cylinders could be asked at the Muzzleloader Section also.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Used to be, maybe 15 years ago, that Uberti was definitely the better choice. Since then Pietta made a effort to upgrade their products and today most feel that it's a toss up. While I do not have a Remington replica by either company, I do own Colt replicas by both companies and find both to be good.

DG

[ItllKeal]

Thanks everyone. It seems like availability is going to be the deciding factor now that I trust that they're both trusting

[derek45]

I was looking for a 1851 Colt Navy for Mrs. Santa to get me, but could not find one.

[armoredman]

I was looking for a 1851 Colt Navy for Mrs. Santa to get me, but could not find one.

How about this one? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023745599?pid=170038

Or this one? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023745084?pid=542609

Both were in stock when I checked on them, at 10:30 PM Arizona time.

[derek45]

How about this one? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023745599?pid=170038

Or this one? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023745084?pid=542609

Both were in stock when I checked on them, at 10:30 PM Arizona time.

I'll wait for walnut grips and not interested in a brass frame

thanks

[smithnframe]

Either one will work just fine. Availability may be the deciding factor. Pietta, Uberti, or Pedersoli. The Cimmaron and Tailor's Brand are both Italian revolvers made by either Uberti or Pietta.
I didn’t know Pedersoli made revolvers?

[smithnframe]

How about this one? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023745599?pid=170038

Or this one? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1023745084?pid=542609

Both were in stock when I checked on them, at 10:30 PM Arizona time.
Wow…….the brass framed one is more expensive than the steel one!

[one-eyed fat man]

Pedersoli makes the best quality Remington replica. Frame is forged, not cast, and it is properly tuned from the factory. This is what consistently wins MLAIC European Championships.

[Harter66]

The Italians are all under the Beretta umbrella now .

[ascast]

just to mention - brass 44's don't last, brass seems to be OK for 36 etc.

[ChristopherO]

Many years back I put together one of those 1851 Navy kits. Even shot a few squirrels out of the trees with it. But after shooting 3 shots I would have to assist indexing the cylinder due to all the BP fouling caking throughout the working mechanism. I've not shot a BP revolver before or since. Was that normal or the result of a cheaply made weapon? Other than that and the clean up it was quite fun.

[Tar Heel]

I didn’t know Pedersoli made revolvers?

They do my friend.

[StrawHat]

I know there's alot of different antique replica revolvers out there. I'm looking to get a 1858 Remington Army and don't know which brand to buy. I plan on getting a target style to hunt with. Anyone have advice about Uberti, Cimarron, Traditions exc. All opinions are welcome and appreciated.
Thanks. Nothing new under the sun

Are c&b revolvers legal to hunt with in your state?

Kevin

[sharps4590]

Over the last 18 months I bought 3 Uberti revolvers. Two of them needed adjustments. The 1860 Army I bought from Midway needed the hand completely fitted and the base pin needed relieved to allow the hand to pass. First time I cocked it, it locked up tighter than Dick's hat band. The 1849, you better not drive the wedge in where it should be or the back of the barrel will ride on the face of the cylinder. So much so it will lock up the revolver. The 1861 Navy didn't need anything other than what I usually do to open top Colt sights, widen the hammer notch and thin the front blade on those that have blades or, replace the blade.

That's ok, I'm a pretty fair Colt SA gunsmith and enjoy doing it. All three shoot quite well now. The '60 and '61 will shoot with most of my modern revolvers. The '49, not quite so much. However, if you can't work on them, it's something one might be aware of. Still, I don't believe either of those difficulties should happen to brand new revolvers.

[armoredman]

I'll wait for walnut grips and not interested in a brass frame

thanks

OK, just trying to help. :)

[armoredman]

Many years back I put together one of those 1851 Navy kits. Even shot a few squirrels out of the trees with it. But after shooting 3 shots I would have to assist indexing the cylinder due to all the BP fouling caking throughout the working mechanism. I've not shot a BP revolver before or since. Was that normal or the result of a cheaply made weapon? Other than that and the clean up it was quite fun.
Nope, that's not the way it's suppose to work. Even without Bore Butter on the arbor, my 1860 will give me three cylinders full before it starts getting gritty. With Bore Butter, that stretches out significantly. I'd think yours was probably not well made or fitted. Come back to the smoke poles - they miss you.

[ChristopherO]

O, I love smoke poles and have a number of them, as long arms. That pistol was another animal. Good to know my past experience is not the norm with this type of revolver.

[warren5421]

Best out there.

Pedersoli Remington Pattern Target Muzzleloading Pistol 44 Caliber 7" Blued Barrel Walnut Grip. Our Price: $1124.99 calendar Estimated In-Stock: 01/04/2022 Black Powder Caliber: .44 Caliber Barrel Length: 7.5 Inches Ignition Type: Percussion Frame Finish:Matte.

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Gatofeo #1 Lube:
From American Rifleman 1943

by weight, double boiler melted ...

1 part mutton tallow (dixie gun works)
1 part paraffin canning wax (gulf)
1/2 part filtered PURE beeswax

Dick Dastardly Snot Lube:
The Snot recipe is equal parts of:
Soy Wax
Toilet Seat Wax Rings. (Bees wax)
Any vegetable shortening

[derek45]

Nope, that's not the way it's suppose to work. Even without Bore Butter on the arbor, my 1860 will give me three cylinders full before it starts getting gritty. With Bore Butter, that stretches out significantly. I'd think yours was probably not well made or fitted. Come back to the smoke poles - they miss you.

yep

I use homebrew beeswax & olive oil

avoid petroleum oils at all costs, they don't play well with blackpowder