gnarly leaded muzzle of a carbine for your viewing pleasure

[zymguy]

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[Winger Ed.]

Is that Lead, or just the normal 'star' of lube that gets flung off as the boolit exits?

If it was Lead, I'd think the grooves inside the barrel would be pretty well fouled too.
If bore cleaner takes it right off without much scrubbing, it's probably just lube.

[megasupermagnum]

That's not lead.

[zymguy]

That's not lead.

what is it ?

[rickt300]

what is it ?

Don't know exactly bit it appears your lube is lasting all the way out the barrel.

[358429]

what is it ?What is it worth? Sixty seconds of abrasive maintenance with #0000 steel wool dabbed in oil.

[nhyrum]

Yep, not leading. Just lube/powder smoke

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[FLINTNFIRE]

It does look like powder residue . Whats deeper in barrel look like ?

[zymguy]

It does look like powder residue . Whats deeper in barrel look like ?

some small lead streaks, nothing noteworthy.

It could be powdercoat, this gun has shot up a lot of 38 special boolits that were made at the beginning of the learning curve. I dont think ive ever shot a traditional lubed boolit or a j word through it.

there is a strange transition here where the rifling ends but doesnt come all the way out to the crown, i think (still mining )

[Dusty Bannister]

Looking straight on at the end of the muzzle, I look to see if there is a black soot from bullet lube and powder residue. Leading will show up silver, and have lead streaks visible in the grooves of the barrel. With powder coating (do not use it) but would expect to see gunpowder residue as well as the color of the powder coat. What colors of PC have you been using? If it wipes off, it is probably not leading. It will have a defined pattern to match the lands and grooves of the barrel.

[zymguy]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/ade75c971c191d25337a5720db6340d9.jpg
Barrel is clean now , muzzle is better where the drip of cleaner settles than it was on the top. I think it’s lead


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[Texas by God]

One of my Nylon 66 has a muzzle like that.
I'd clean it if it didn't shoot so well!

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[FLINTNFIRE]

So it does look like a little lead on exit , how was cleanup ? lead in deeper or not ? I do not see enough to see any powder coat fouling , minimal cleanup it appears , was not gnarly by any means I have seen streaked filled grooves nasty leading .

[megasupermagnum]

I don't know what it is, but that isn't lead. If it were, it would be in the rifling. Powder coating seems possible. Really it just looks like normal lube/powder star to me. Mine turns a bit of that grey tint in the real cold too.

[zymguy]

the ring is exactly where gas can first get around the boolit. There certainly was a star from gunpowder and carbon shmutz (this gun has not seen any bullet lube ) on the face of the muzzle and ontop this...whatever it is. I'm standing here poking it with implements and soaking it in shooters choice , I think its lead.

[megasupermagnum]

How could it possibly be lead? You are shooting powdercoated bullets, and your bore looks spotless. I've shot normal lubed pure lead to the point of leading, and never have I ever seen only a crown lead.

[zymguy]

I think the crown is a terrible design and weird things are happening in the "gap" . But I dont know ? I guess i feel like carbon gunpowder would have cleaned up easier , but for the same reason i think lead is occurring some gunpowder super crud could be made.

[megasupermagnum]

It looks like any other chamfered crown, probably 45 degree. Doesn't look rough or anything.

If your powdercoat was failing, you would have lead in your barrel, but I see nothing. All I know for sure is that you can't have lead on your barrel or crown, if you have a coating over the lead. Maybe that is powdercoat on your crown, but it isn't lead.

[zymguy]

It looks like any other chamfered crown, probably 45 degree. Doesn't look rough or anything.

If your powdercoat was failing, you would have lead in your barrel, but I see nothing. All I know for sure is that you can't have lead on your barrel or crown, if you have a coating over the lead. Maybe that is powdercoat on your crown, but it isn't lead.

That all makes sense to me, and i know carbon crud can also be grey in color , color does not make it lead. I'm telling ya this stiff sure feels like lead.
Assuming it is carbon , what's best ? traditional hoppes 9?

[megasupermagnum]

Hoppes and a bore brush works for me. Will acetone soften your powder coat? If so, I might try that first to see if that stuff comes off that way. If so, you will know if it is or is not coating.

[zymguy]

good idea on trying acetone !

[TyGuy]

Have you managed to recover any boolits fired through it to see if the pc is still intact?

[zymguy]

Have you managed to recover any boolits fired through it to see if the pc is still intact?

probably close to a hundred! smushed ones under the dueling tree and sometimes whole ones that were caught by snowbanks that lie in a pile come spring others have been dug out of sand berms. This carbine has unknown rounds through it since it was last cleaned. It eats 38special by the jar full. It gets passed around quite a bit any time the dueling tree comes out.

[TyGuy]

probably close to a hundred! smushed ones under the dueling tree and sometimes whole ones that were caught by snowbanks that lie in a pile come spring others have been dug out of sand berms. This carbine has unknown rounds through it since it was last cleaned. It eats 38special by the jar full. It gets passed around quite a bit any time the dueling tree comes out.

Do the whole ones you’ve found have exposed lead where they have been engraved by the rifling? I have found that when I can recover PCed boolits that are undamaged by impact or sand abrasion the coating is consistent and unbroken. I see no possible way for lead to be left in the barrel if none is exposed on the bearing surface of the fired projectile.

[358429]

That dueling tree sounds awesome. How many thirty-eights fit in the gun?

[Edward]

That all makes sense to me, and i know carbon crud can also be grey in color , color does not make it lead. I'm telling ya this stiff sure feels like lead.
Assuming it is carbon , what's best ? traditional hoppes 9?

I dont care what it is if you want it gone Google Lee Shavers bore treatment 0000 steel wool over oiled patch ,just polishes and removes anything in the bore .World class shooter /gunsmith and charges big time for the service and gives it up for free to folks who want to learn ! It works on brand new bores as it polishes only and removes anything that did not come from the factory/builder , try it visible group shrinkage and spotless bore

[zymguy]

Do the whole ones you’ve found have exposed lead where they have been engraved by the rifling? I have found that when I can recover PCed boolits that are undamaged by impact or sand abrasion the coating is consistent and unbroken. I see no possible way for lead to be left in the barrel if none is exposed on the bearing surface of the fired projectile.

I think thats what megasuper magnum was saying as well, point noted I dont disagree.

[Tar Heel]

This is a bullet lube muzzle flower.

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I think you have something else that I suspect is the beginning of muzzle leading. How many shots were taken? That muzzle looks like the muzzle of my 22LR after shooting Remington Thunderbolt ammo. I had to BEAT a cleaning rod with no tip through the bore to chisel out the lead. I ended up sending the ammo back to Remington on my dime.

[zymguy]

That dueling tree sounds awesome. How many thirty-eights fit in the gun?

I'm not sure? at least ten. I just put in as many as whoever im dueling ; )

[zymguy]

I dont care what it is if you want it gone Google Lee Shavers bore treatment

I will

[zymguy]

How many shots were taken? .
Many

[358429]

Many is the good amount[emoji3]

[Tar Heel]

Many is the good amount[emoji3]

Youze guys!

[358429]

Haha I'm trying to give my daisy slingshot leading! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/7a96ca8d3119c91cb63fd8c661d62ae2.jpg

They are currently getting a second bake in eastwood lime green[emoji3]

[243winxb]

Lube Star- RCBS Pistol Lube- 200 rounds fired.
Fired in 357 mag M28 6" barrel. About 200 rounds fired. The old 50/50 lube would make a lube star after 50 rounds. This RCBS bees wax and paraffin takes longer. Good reason not to clean the barrel if going shooting again soon. Cleaning ruins barrel conditioning.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?media/lube-star-rcbs-pistol-lube-200-rounds-fired.3286/full

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[243winxb]

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Recessed crown. https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/09/the-importance-of-the-crown/
OR Wear from cleaning from the muzzle end? Caused leading?

[kevin c]

I get the same looking build up on the chamfered crowns of my .22 LR pistols, which get a steady diet of plated and wax lubed commercial ammo. The bores are pristine. The build up comes off with a brass scraper and is crumbly and non metallic looking. I’m pretty sure it’s not lead, but carbon and maybe lube residue.