7.62 X 39 SKS NOE 160gr FNGC

[scottnc]

Have a new NOE 160 grain gas check boolit mold, Al called it a bore rider. Using new Starline brass, WLR primers. I have on hand H4198, RL7 and IMR3031. Found a H4198 load from a reliable source and would like to also find proven, safe loads for RL7 and IMR 3031 as well. Looking for 2000ft/sec. in the SKS.

[AviatorTroy]

I have that mold and had to go to a little slower powder to get reliable cycling on a couple different semi autos that I have tried it in. I haven’t tried 3031 but the burn rate looks in the ballpark for success if you can find a published load to start with. I have a good load I like with Western X-Terminator which is only slightly slower than 3031

[scottnc]

Since posting I've run across complaints that 3031 is dirty leaving powder behind that winds up in the action. Plus comments that enough powder to cause problems won't fit in the case with 3031 and a heavy boolit. Regarding cycling, you didn't say, but was it on an SKS? Currently my SKS gas block is down to .070" and with mil-spec ammo and that is still too big.

[WinchesterM1]

Everytime someone mentions lead bullets in the SKS it makes my think of Junior, such a good man. He did an excellent write up on SKS’s and cast bullets and everything in the suck, I’m not a fan of the modified rifle but I didn’t pay for it. Make sure to go through his whole website so it’s not lost in time

http://castbullet.com/shooting/sks4.htm

[Larry Gibson]

"would like to also find proven, safe loads for RL7 and IMR 3031 as well. Looking for 2000ft/sec. in the SKS."

I use H4895 with the Lee C312-155 in the 7.62x39 cartridge in my Mini MkX and Russian SKS. Thus, I suggest RL7 to use. Start at 18 gr and work up to 20.5 gr. [from Lyman CBH #4 with RL7 for your cast bullet]. Your goal of 2000 fps is a bit much for that weight of bullet in the SKS system. 1800 - 1850 is a "proven, safe" velocity level for your cast bullet.

[Bloodman14]

It's amazing how many people can't grasp the concept of velocity, especially if they have nothing to visualize for comparison. 1800fps is 6 football fields in 1 second! There isn't an animal alive that will outrun an 1800fps bullet! Shot placement is the ultimate goal, particularly while hunting.

FWIW.

[scottnc]

Bloodman, when you can't find exactly what you're lookin' for you sometimes have to settle for what you can find until acquiring first hand experience.... Outside of forums, below is the only reference I've found using on-hand powders and primers. 2k seemed within reach. Whether fact or fiction, see the 150gr loads. My NOE's check in at 155.

I'll one-up your FWIW - I see nothing constructive with you finding fault with others mental capacity for understanding what you evidently consider abstract thought.

Back in my working days I've been known to program and make parts on two and three axis CNC machines from drawings, doing any requisite trig on a hand-held calculator - no CAD.


https://www.powderthrough.com/data/caliber/762x39mm/

[Larry Gibson]

Bloodman, when you can't find exactly what you're lookin' for you sometimes have to settle for what you can find until acquiring first hand experience.... Outside of forums, below is the only reference I've found using on-hand powders and primers. 2k seemed within reach. Whether fact or fiction, see the 150gr loads. My NOE's check in at 155.

https://www.powderthrough.com/data/caliber/762x39mm/

The problem with Hodgdon's sight is they do not give the barrel length of the test barrel. Additionally, unless the gas system is modified, the SKS with 150 gr jacketed bullets and H4895 at 100% load density will sling the cases far and wide. H4895 in Winchester or IMI cases is a slightly compressed load when Sierra, Hornady or Speer 150 gr .311/.312 bullets are seated to mag length for the SKS and runs just over 1900 fps in the 20" barrel of an SKS. A compressed load of 28 gr will run 1975 fps +/- out of a 20" barreled SKS.

With my C312-155 (158 gr fully dressed cast of COWW + 2% tin) over 27 gr of H4894 runs 1875 fps. I have modified the gas tube of my SKS so the brass is not so violently ejected and mangled. I can find most of it.......

The above velocities are based on actual shooting, testing and chronographing the loads in several SKSs. Those velocities are not from reading data on the internet. Hodgdon's data is certainly a good reference, but the velocities listed are, shall we say, somewhat optimistic especially not knowing the barrel length of the barrels used to obtain those velocities.

[Bloodman14]

I certainly did not mean to sound insulting, and I sincerely apologize. I have noticed that people wish to attain the highest velocity possible with their gun, when velocity is neither needed or, in most cases, accurate. Giving the football field reference was meant to give a visual metric of distance over time. I am sorry if I offended.

[scottnc]

I went with a gas block restrictor, currently @ .070", sounds like you drilled holes in the tube?. 070" is still too large for mil-spec. Had to wait from May until near November's end to gather all the bits to enable trying a dedicated, heavy for SKS lead bullet. While waiting the action was bedded, trigger worked over, barrel lapped (and lapped again), shortened the gas rod just enough to remove preload with no end play, added a rear action hold down screw and a Murray firing pin. The biggest improvement was finally coming up with a way of making the scope mount solid. First boolits cast were definitely not things of beauty but served to make dummy rounds to bench check feeding and get dies and lube/sizer set up. New electric bottom pour pot arrived Tuesday this week, the old cast iron pot retired to other duties.

Don't have H4895, I'm gonna try what I have on hand before springing for a pound, assuming I can find some. Thanks for sharing your load. I have an Oehler chronograph from back in '90's during my IPSC days. If I find something that shoots decent I'll drag it out and see if it still works.

[scottnc]

I certainly did not mean to sound insulting, and I sincerely apologize. I have noticed that people wish to attain the highest velocity possible with their gun, when velocity is neither needed or, in most cases, accurate. Giving the football field reference was meant to give a visual metric of distance over time. I am sorry if I offended.

No need. I was in a foul mood. Not a good excuse for ranting, sorry for venting at your expense. I'd just returned from the bank telling me the seven day hold on the bank check deposited last week to pay off my home mortgage... was really an eight day hold. And, the pay-off was going to be $7-something more for the extra day than what they had quoted me last week. Right.

[Bloodman14]

No sweat, buddy.:-D Try using 1.4 to 1.7 cc's of LeveRevolution with a NOE 316299, GC'd and seated to the top of the top driving band. Based on Junior1942's work which was followed up by Mr. Gibson. I don't have a chrono but they are accurate in my Yugo SKS.

[RogerDat]

I'm finding this interesting discussion. Looking to work up a load for Lee GC 312-160 and 4198. Will PC those bullets as lube. I may well eventually move to an NOE or other more premium mold which is why this thread caught my eye.

Have used 4895 for some other loads so also have a bit of that on hand. Seems like that may be of use for this which is another option I now know to look into.

Goal is the round cycles and is accurate enough for plinking out to say 200 yards. I might try at 400 yard range but only if no one is looking. SKS is fun but not the rifle for longer ranges or hunting in my use cases. Velocity sufficient to provide accuracy is all that is required, if it drops the brass in the same zip code as the rifle that is an appreciated bonus.

[Bloodman14]

I have looked for Junior's thread concerning his work with heavies in the SKS, to no avail. If it could be found, I would love to nominate it for a 'sticky'.

[scottnc]

No sweat, buddy.:-D Try using 1.4 to 1.7 cc's of LeveRevolution with a NOE 316299, GC'd and seated to the top of the top driving band. Based on Junior1942's work which was followed up by Mr. Gibson. I don't have a chrono but they are accurate in my Yugo SKS.

I've seen reference to measuring powder by volume in CC's only once before... maybe I stumbled on Junior's work while trolling the internet? I was looking for loads for this project... Regardless, I have to ask - what manner of contrivance does one use to measure smokeless gunpowder in CC's? I have a 100cc burette but you ain't gonna measure powder with it. One could make a powder measure to match a particular volume of water but measuring by weight sounds easier!

[scottnc]

Ahh of course, Lee. Alas, LeverRevolutuion isn't on Lee's conversion to grains list. But they do have a set of volume powder measures for a measly $14. Freight'd likely run $20 though...

Looks like rain, need to get busy and mount-up the skidding winch and move firewood before things get muddy.

https://leeprecision.com/powder-measure-kit.html

[Larry Gibson]

In the diminutive 7.62x39 case LeveRevolution does not burn well/efficiently nor perform well under 180 gr or less cast bullets. The heavier 200 gr bullet will but the OP's 160 gr won't. H4895 or RL7 are the best choices for that weight cast bullet in that cartridge in the SKS if the OP wants the higher end velocities.

It takes bullet mass (weight) for LeveRevolution to burn like it is supposed to to get the performance it is made to give. A 160 gr cast bullet just doesn't have it.

[405grain]

I load 7.62x39 for my SKS and for a pair of converted Mauser small rings. In the SKS I usually shoot the Lee 155 grain, gas checked & powder coated, on top of 19.0 grains of IMR-4198. On a good day this will print a 3.5" group at 100 yards (which I consider astonishingly accurate for a SKS). But for the bolt actions my favorite load is the RCBS 30-165-Sil over 28.5 grains of BLC-2. I've found that it's almost impossible to get enough BLC-2 into a 7.62x39 case to get too much pressure. I don't have a chronograph but I'd estimate that 30.5 grains would be pushing that boolit at around 2000 fps. (I don't need to go that fast because accuracy is more important than velocity) Magnum primers are usually recommended for ball powders like this but I've found that with the small case volume and near to 100% case fill, I can use regular primers without any issues. I'm just putting it out there that BLC-2 is also a good powder for 7.62x39.

[Bloodman14]

Mr. Gibson and 405 are correct; use 4198 or Reloder 7 for the 155's and 160's. I will look up my load data and advise further.

[Bloodman14]

The burn rate chart I have shows LR to be below BL-C(2) and above H380. Personally, I think that LR is repackaged R12, but that's just me.:?:

[Bloodman14]

A case full (28 grs.) of Accurate 2230, 2460, or H335 gives around 2000 fps in the 7.62x39. (This is a quote from a member here. Forget which one, sorry.)

[tejano]

I have long since forgotten which member posted this, but I tried it and found it to be a good load.
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[Latheman]

Using a Lee 155 grain pc gas checked with 24 and a half grains of aa2460 loaded to 2.2oal. I didn't Chrono but functioned a Chinese SKS with acceptable accuracy. In an AK it proved to be to light for 100 percent reliability. My next test will be with 25 grains. Good luck from a fellow CNC man.

[2manyguns]

i have good accuracy with 23gn of a1680 behind a lee 160 cast straight out of the mold in a howa mini burns all the powder and shoots 1-1.5 in @100yds seems to work well on gophers and frozen cow flop

[scottnc]

Just shot the rounds I had loaded prior to posting, 23.5gr of H4198, NOE 160, WLR. Still shooting at 50 yards because that's where I wound up when trying to get my rifle to stay on the paper for four shots. Group size was a yawner; 2.340" but, it is better mil spec and mil spec that was broken down to even things up. First two shots touched, #3 up and inch, #4 down an inch, dang. Loaded rounds one at a time. Empties landed in a neat pile about two feet to the right which is a big improvement. Plus, the brass looks like new! 23.5gr might be too stiff from what some of you have said worked for you. I'll start lower later, first I want to try RL-7; the only other powder I have on hand that seems to have a following in the SKS with heavy boolits.

[scottnc]

Just finished a Hail Mary comparison of the three powders I have on hand that could be considered more than less than appropriate for the 7.62X39 in the SKS. Used 50 yards - less walking until finding something that shoots well enough to justify walking 100 yards. First was 23.5 of H4198, four shots 2.340" w/vertical stringing. Action cycled, brass fell right next to the bench. Next 21.5 of IMR3031, four in 1.600", last shot dropped an inch. Action did not cycle. Last was 23.5 of RL7, four in 2.71" that looked like a shot gun pattern. Action cycled, brass was anywhere from on the bench to a couple feet away. Bears repeating that my gas block is restricted down to .070".

3031, recoil felt soft and the primers look the part of low pressure.

Certainly not a scientific approach. I wanted to see if any of the powders I have on the shelf shot well enough to be worth pursuing before spending the bucks on others that could very well end up collecting dust. Loads selected were ballpark averages of three or more different sources for each powder that were close in weight.

The best previous was mil-spec that had been disassembled, powder and neck tension evened-up @ 2.360"

[Texas by God]

Not an SKS, but in an AR15 7.62x39 that I assembled; 25grs of 3031 behind a Lee C309150F(average 162 grs acww/PC'd) was quite accurate and functioned perfectly.

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[scottnc]

Is the powder compressed at 25gr? The three loads I have made note of are 20.0, 21.5 and 25. 21.5 was pretty close to the neck.