Anyone need a 24" barrel for 30-06. CHEAP?

[Buckshot]

.................At GPC- Numrich:

Originally used for sporter rifles built on the Belgian Mauser 1889 action. Fully-finished and chambered, 24" long, in the white. Features 6-groove rifling with a 1/12 right hand twist. Threaded shank measures .995" in diameter x 13/16" long with 12 V-threads per inch. Shoulder measures 1.095" in diameter and tapers to .620" at the muzzle. Not drilled and tapped for sights. Note: Barrel can be shortened and rethreaded to fit other actions such as the small ring Mauser.
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Model: UNKNOWN
Item No. 588170
Additional Additional Shipping charge: $1.00
Retail Price: $28.10 Add to Basket:

Egads! TWENTY EIGHT BUCKS!

http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=588170&chrSuperSKU=&MC=YJ


....................Buckshot

[9.3X62AL]

Evil thought......buy a couple of them critters, and act just like Michaelangelo did--remove all the material that doesn't look like a barrel for a SIG-Sauer P-226, and chamber it for 30 Luger. If it worked on The Pieta, it could work on a Europistol.

[StarMetal]

Gee that sounds familar, I wonder if anyone done that.

Joe

[9.3X62AL]

Gee that sounds familar, I wonder if anyone done that.

Joe

Uh, it did sound a mite like something I heard before somewhere...... :-)

[btr-cj]

That shoulder looks long.

It may be a good choice for a first attempt at rethreading a barrel.


C.J.

[Buckshot]

................I also think they meant Belgium 1898 vs 1889 for the rifle model number, doncha think? The 1889 Belgium Mauser contract rifles were definately Small rings.

12" twist? Interesting. How often do ya see barrels like that for $28 smackers? Either they have a S*itpot full of'em or they're ratty. No mention of condition. No mention of who made them either. Maybe FN?

So who is going to buy one and clue us in? :idea:

Actually I had 2 in my shopping cart last night when I was nosing around. However I had a bunch of other stuff in there that I had an immediate use for so I shucked'em. Bummer.

MIght be worthwhile to get one and try out a 12" twist on the RUger BH 30M1 carbine revolter, huh (speaking of peestols)? I mean $28!?

................Buckshot

[bravokilo]

1889 is correct, I looked it up. I couldn't find anything else that matched that thread size.

BK

[StarMetal]

bravokilo is right, that's not a large ring thread diameter.

Joe

[trooperdan]

So if these are for small ring, could you lop off the end of the chamber, turn the shoulder down and chamber it for 7.62x39 and screw it into a 1894 action?

[Buckshot]

..............You'd have to cut off about 2.1" to have the 7.692x39 chamber clean up.

..............Buckshot

[bravokilo]

Somebody is going to have to explain this to me. 1889 Belgian Mauser, chambered for the 7.65X53 Mauser cartridge. Magazine is the same as the 1891 Mauser. Cartridge length for the 7.65 is 2.95". The 30-06 is 3.34". How in 'ell do you fit an 06 round in this action??? Single shot?? Maybe that's why the barrels are so cheap??

BK

[StarMetal]

You don't, an 06 in my opinion is too much or a round for it. Pick another action.

Joe

[btr-cj]

I am tempted to order a couple.

The shoulder looks to be plenty long enough to cut it back and chamber it to one of the calibers I am interested in, 308x1.5 or 7.62x39. Really would like a 300 whisper but am afraid of extraction and feeding problems in the Turk action.

The main thing holding me back is the 1-12 twist. I would like to use it to play around with subsonic rounds but the charts I have show the heaviest bullet that it would stabilize is about 150 Grs.

But hey, 150 may not be too bad of a limit.

The price sure is right.

C.J.

[45 2.1]

The main thing holding me back is the 1-12 twist. I would like to use it to play around with subsonic rounds but the charts I have show the heaviest bullet that it would stabilize is about 150 Grs.
C.J.

The Win 30-30 is a 12" twist and we shoot from very slow to max. loads with a 190 gr, cast bullet with no trouble at all. Go for it!!!

[btr-cj]

I was hoping someone would have positive experiences with a 1-12 twist.

Well I could not help myself. I just ordered 3 for $95 delivered.

I will let everyone know of the condition when they come in.

Thanks 45 2.1

C.J.

[joatmon]

Two came in today and seem to be NOS. Muzzel slugs .3075, did not chamber cast but 06 round fits good ( will chamber cast later ). Covered in cosmo with quite a bit of light surface rust. Hope these make good turk barrels! I would like a dedicated cast 06 and 308.

[Buckshot]

.................Is the rifling typical Mauser/Springfield? Four skinny lands and 4 wide grooves? Any markings on the barrel?

................Buckshot

[Frank46]

btr-cj, where do you live in LA?. I'm in new iberia. We do have some numbers here. Frank

[joatmon]

Rifleing is 6 groove (they look really nice under the light cosmo.) the chamber aera measures 1.10 then a sporter taper to the .625 muzzel. No markings that I can see anywhere. When I can afford the reamers (shank will need to be shortened and threads cut down more for turk) these should make nice turk barrels.

[btr-cj]

Hi Frank.

I live in Denham Springs (8 miles east of Baton Rouge.) work in Baton Rouge and play around the bayous, bays, and beaches of Grand Isle. :) We do love to catch those reds, specks and flounders.

I have noticed several people on here from Louisiana.


C.J.

[seagiant]

Hi,
I don't know if any one remembers it's been a couple of years now but Sarco came out with a deal on take off Parker-Hale Mauser 98 in 308 Win. Heavy Target Barrels-3 for $99! A little voice told me to get 3 but I wanted to get a VZ-24 Action to go with it so didn't.(bad move) I haven't had a chance to put mine together yet but some other guys with the same materials are boasting on the Mauser sites of bug holes on the bench at 100 yds! Go Figure!

[Teach]

I just bought 3 of them. I've got a bunch of Turk 98's, with the small-ring thread on a 98 action. These ought to be a drop-in fit, with only a length change on the thread, and a finish-ream job.
Thanks for the heads-up!
Jerry

[Buckshot]

..............Well you guys buy'em up. All I've got is a VZ-24 action, 5 M1894 Brazilian small rings, 2 Martini's, a M96 Swede, and a #1 Rem RB action. Nothing I want to screw a 30-06 barrel on, or is capable of handling the length of the cartridge.

..................Buckshot

[Buckshot]

..............After reading my last post to this thread, I thought, "What a *******", because I just KNEW I couldn't stand it. And I couldn't. I ordered 2 of'em and they came last week. How ya gonna top $28 for a rifle barrel? Got out some paint thinner and a few paper towels. Ran a few patches down the bores and they shined like a new dime. Six lands and grooves as reported. Outside finish is really nice.

Eyeballing those SR actions I have I suppose one in 308x1.5" is in the offing. Maybe one of these days I'll come across a M38 Turk? Regardless, it'll be worth a lot more then $28 in years to come.

................Buckshot

[Trailblazer]

I was in need of a 30-06 barrel for a new project and looked these up. They are still available so I ordered two. I cleaned them up yesterday and did a quicky check on the twist by marking the cleaning rod as I cleaned them. They are not 1/12, doggone it! I wanted 1/12! I got 10-1/4" on one barrel and 10-3/8" on the other so they are 10" twist.

They cleaned up nice. Both had a little light rust in the chambers and inside the muzzle. One worse than the other. Not enough to hurt the bore finish to any significant degree. I am guessing these are button rifled as reamer marks are visible in the bottom of the lands. I suppose they could be hammer forged, definitely not cut rifled. The bores are tight. I have some 30-06 ammo loaded with the Saeco 165 that enters the lands on my Win 70 with some resistance. They will not enter the rifling in these Mauser barrels. My Saeco 301 casts smaller on the nose and ought to fit these good but I didn't think to try it.

They look like decent barrels for the price but dang it, I wanted a 12" twist! I am going to fit one to an action in a couple days if all goes according to plan.

[Scrounger]

If you're capable of fitting the barrel to the action, not just screwing it in and measuring the headspace, your best bet is to buy a .308 barrel and rechamber it.

[357maximum]

could one of these barrels be re-worked to fit an old remington 700 bdl long action and still be made into 30/06 by my smith? Have had the action forever, waiting for something to do with it. It has a 280 rem barrel on it now, but the monkey that put it together cuth the freebore waaaay tooooo loooong for me, I have been wanting an 06 to play with with cast boolits, how about the twist will it be ok for standard 150 to 180gr. in cast velocities? My gun building skills amount to taking it to my smith and telling him what I want, then he builds it.


or would I be better off putting one of these on something else? If I were to get a couple of em....

Michael

[45 2.1]

A 1/12 twist in 308 wouyld be better to play with.

[sundog]

357Max, if you don't work out a deal on anything else, I have a take off 22 inch 30-06 bbl from a 700 that had only had a few rounds through it - used to take an elk and then sold to me. I built a 35 Whelen. More than likely it's a 10 twist. Factory D&T's for front and rear sight. sundog

[357maximum]

sundog...you have a pm...

[Trailblazer]

357Max, these are not really suitable for a Rem 700. The diameter is to small to work well with the 700. Best bet is to get Sundog's barrel. There are a lot of 700 take off barrels floating around and chances are good it will headspace on your action with minimal work. The 10" twist works fine at lower velocities. It only matters if you want to push speeds somewhere above 2000 FPS.

I tried my Saeco 301 and it lightly engraves the nose so it ought to work good. I am not sure what to do now. I really wanted a 12" twist. I don't know if I will return these or set them aside for now or use one. Decisions! Decisions!

[357maximum]

357Max, these are not really suitable for a Rem 700. The diameter is to small to work well with the 700. Best bet is to get Sundog's barrel. There are a lot of 700 take off barrels floating around and chances are good it will headspace on your action with minimal work. The 10" twist works fine at lower velocities. It only matters if you want to push speeds somewhere above 2000 FPS.

I tried my Saeco 301 and it lightly engraves the nose so it ought to work good. I am not sure what to do now. I really wanted a 12" twist. I don't know if I will return these or set them aside for now or use one. Decisions! Decisions!

Wait a couple of years and put them on ebay, they will be "vintage" and worth more by then...[smilie=1:

as far as that 280 barrel, it could be set back, but it is a mountain taper, and after about 3 rapid shots it starts climbing, no matter how it is bedded, I have tried everything...it will shoot accurately enough for a deer, but It is not for playing with, plus a 175 grainer barely holds in the neck in order to get in the same zipcode as the rifling, but oddly it shoots the 139 grainers well enough...even though they cross a football field to get to the lands..odd

I have thought about converting it to 06 for a long time, and a 28 dollar barrel kinda re-sparked my interest...we'll see what sundog wants to do...I just want an 06 that i can shoot some lower velocity cast in...If I was a smart man i would trade it off and buy a 308, but the gun came from a dear old friend, and you know what that does to sensibility...but she has been a safe queen long enough..

[trooperdan]

I was in need of a 30-06 barrel for a new project and looked these up. They are still available so I ordered two. I cleaned them up yesterday and did a quicky check on the twist by marking the cleaning rod as I cleaned them. They are not 1/12, doggone it! I wanted 1/12! I got 10-1/4" on one barrel and 10-3/8" on the other so they are 10" twist.
.


Trailblazer, I tried to find these on Sarco's site but no joy. Do you have a stock number and what is the price?

[Trailblazer]

They are from Numrich/Gun Parts Corp. Go to Buckshot's post at the top of page one of this thread. The description is there. Part #588170. Price is $29.10.

I nosed around Numrich some more and found a 30 caliber Apex barrel blank turned for the Win 70, supposedly with a 12" twist. #958550 with threads for $70.95 and #958560 w/o threads for $65.95. It is a slender profile though. .550" at the muzzle.

357Max, it is hard to go wrong with an 06!

[Paul B]

To answwer the question of whether a 1 in 12" twist will stabilize bullets heavier than 180 gr., the answer is an unqualified yes. I have one 30-06 and two .308 Winchester rifles (One a Pre-64 M70 and the other a Post-64 M70, both with factory 1 in 12" barrels) I have no problem shooting bullets up to the 220 gr. Sierra round nose in all three rifles. The .308 will reach 2300 FPS and is very accurate in both M70s. (Caution, very hot load.) I would not try to reach that level of velocity in a .308 with a 1 in 10" twist without very careful monitoring of pressures.
The 30-06 is built on an FN Mauser action and I ordered it with a 1 in 12" barrel to shoot cast lead boolits.
Of course,as they say, YMMV, but I think you'll be surprised at the results.
Paul B.

[ron brooks]

So then, with a 1 in 10 twist are these really only good for light bullets or cast at lower velocities (read 200 fps and under)?

Ron

[Trailblazer]

Ron, a faster twist is needed for long heavy bullets. The 10" twist will work fine at higher velocities but you need to pay more attention to bullet hardness and any minor defects in the bullets. A 12" twist is just a little more forgiving. Since I don't cast perfect bullets I would prefer the slower twist.

[ron brooks]

Trailblazer,

Thanks, I would prefer the slower twist as well.

Much appreciated,

Ron

[mike in co]

ok...if the od big enought to thread fro a large ring ???

i'm not at work and cannot measure right now...

lop some off and chamber for 308...another one in the pile

lop a bunch off and do a 7.62x39 or a ..or ??

mike

[Trailblazer]

It is just big enough to thread for a large ring but the barrel would only seat against the C-ring like the military barrel does. There would be no contact on the face of the receiver. The threads on a military 98 barrel I have here measure 1.091" OD and .63" long. The Numrich barrel has an OD of 1.095". It starts tapering down quickly though so you couldn't go much shorter than that. A new WW 30-06 case sticks out of the chamber about .120" and the threaded shank is about .8" long so if you cut the threaded shank off there would be about .920" of 30-06 case sticking out of the chamber.

[Trailblazer]

A friend fit one of these 1889 barrels to a Turk Mauser with no problems. He just picked up the old threads and deepened them slightly. The shank is a little long so he put a spacer between the shoulder and the front of the receiver. I don't know why because he has an 06 reamer and headspace gauges.

I shortened the chamber end on one and threaded it to fit a Big Bore Winchester receiver. It cut nice. I did notice it had a fair amount of runout on the outside of the barrel. I didn't measure it but would guess about .010" TIR. I am hoping to get the rifle assembled and ammo loaded in the next few days. Don't know when I will get to the range.

I decided 12" twist take off barrels are probably rare. Remington uses 10" twist in the 308. Winchester claims 12" but I don't believe it since they also claim 12" for the 30-30 and I have a 94 AE that has a 10" twist.

[mike in co]

so , to make one a 308 or similar....wack just less than .5 off, thread and face to fit rec and inner ring of a mauser...
trim bbl lenght to fit.....

did we ever get a confirmation on the twist...ad is 12, but someone said not?

gonna order a couple....

[Trailblazer]

Twist is 10" on the two I got.

Correcting the runout on the cylinder portion would reduce the major diameter some where you would be cutting threads on the one I cut. I did not check the other barrel to see how concentric it is.

[357maximum]

I bought one of these because I was ordering some trigger parts for a buddys savage model 58 in 12 gauge and besides I just could not help myself[smilie=1: .

I am going to have mine recut and threaded onto an old mexican mauser action (there is alot of extra barrel shank) and chambered for 308 win just as soon as I have the extra $$ and get some dummy loads made up. I am going to wait at least until the 30 cal 45 2.1 three crimp boolit mold GB is finished/delivered and have my gunsmith Steve fit the throat to that....that is my plan as of now anyhow...

I just knew I had an old mauser action kickin around here somewhere, and went to looking...I found the action in a baggie with a notecard that said 96 mexican mauser...picked it up at an auction about 10 to 12 years ago if memory serves...anyone see any problems with my plan? It will get a bent bolt handle and a fixed 6 leopold scope..and a ruger type safety, unless i can find a way to incorporate the safety into the trigger, then the bolt will just get a shroud..still thinkin/scheming at this point..

It is definately a 10 twist barrel, and it was most definately hammer forged. (you can see the evidence at the muzzle end)

slugged it and it measures .3081 X .2995

Pretty darn nice looking barrel..especially for the $$28$$

Should make a decent sporter in a laminate stock someday...Comments? Issues with the plan? will all be appreciated...thanks

[mike in co]

this will be one of those things we say...why didn't i buy more !
i got two, not 12 twist...somewhere between 10/11.......
as the man said...the price was right !