U.S.C.Co. 44-40 Unheadstamped Cartridge

[Savvy Jack]

Apparently referred to today as "Red Brass", these two 44-40 cartridges were made by USCCo. Many collectors claim these were made by Winchester, but as you can see...the primer says otherwise.

The primer is thought to be a Farrington Type III Primer, see attached items.

First photo, cartridges on far left and far right are Red Brass USCCo cartridges.



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[Savvy Jack]

On a side note, this cartridge was filled with 40gr of black powder, and occupied 40gr by volume as well.
Here is a photo with the powder dumped back into the case, not settled or compressed.
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[John Boy]

Jack, always interesting and informative posts from you … Thanks
John Kort has to be smiling that old ammo quality posts are still making it to the Internet

[Savvy Jack]

Jack, always interesting and informative posts from you … Thanks
John Kort has to be smiling that old ammo quality posts are still making it to the Internet

Thanks John Boy

[Red River Rick]

Here's a better picture of the US 44-40 cartridge showing the Head stamp and primer.

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[Savvy Jack]

Here's a better picture of the US 44-40 cartridge showing the Head stamp and primer.

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That is a great shot of a headsamped cartridge.

Just in case though, the one I posted has no headstamp

[Randy Bohannon]

Good stuff Savvy, I noticed the older original cartridges for the period guns has as much “ bottle neck” as modern 44-40 brass or maybe a bit less pronounced.
I’m just starting with smokeless in the 44-40 if I can get as good accuracy as I have with black powder how nice that will be. We have been blessed with an extended shooting season with a very mild fall, for Wyoming. I have 5 powders loaded with the Accutate 213-C 215 gr. @ .430” Ben’s Red lube. B/E, Unique, Tite Group, IMR 4227 and Red Dot. All beginning or middle of the data powder charges. I will see which powder shows the best with two five shot groups at fifty and go from there. I have the 230 gr. version of the same bullet that had shot better with black powder than the 215 gr. bullet. Bullets all cast with 16:1 alloy from Roto Metals.

[Savvy Jack]

Good stuff Savvy, I noticed the older original cartridges for the period guns has as much “ bottle neck” as modern 44-40 brass or maybe a bit less pronounced.
I’m just starting with smokeless in the 44-40 if I can get as good accuracy as I have with black powder how nice that will be. We have been blessed with an extended shooting season with a very mild fall, for Wyoming. I have 5 powders loaded with the Accutate 213-C 215 gr. @ .430” Ben’s Red lube. B/E, Unique, Tite Group, IMR 4227 and Red Dot. All beginning or middle of the data powder charges. I will see which powder shows the best with two five shot groups at fifty and go from there. I have the 230 gr. version of the same bullet that had shot better with black powder than the 215 gr. bullet. Bullets all cast with 16:1 alloy from Roto Metals.

Very Nice!!! Looking foreword to hearing about your results.