40-65 or 45-60

[jnovotny]

I'm gonna buy a new rifle in one of these calibers. Was wondering if anyone here has them already. Which one has better balistics,which one would be a better deer round. Any help here would be apperciated.

[badgeredd]

I'm gonna buy a new rifle in one of these calibers. Was wondering if anyone here has them already. Which one has better balistics,which one would be a better deer round. Any help here would be apperciated.

I have a Pedersoli Sharps in 40-65 Winchester and it is very accurate. I've load black, duplex loads, and smokeless.

I'd go for the 40-65 because I think the brass (with the correct headstamps) is pretty easily found and of course you can convert 45-70 brass pretty easily too.

I was wondering if you are talking about the 45-60 Winchester. And for that matter if you are talking about the 40-65 Winchester.

I built a 45-60 on a break action H&R frame with a SHORT 18 inch barrel that will run a 300 grain slug at 1500 to 1600 with smokeless and about 1500 with black. It will definitely kill a deer. I shot one at 100 yards or so and it only went a few feet after being shot.

Edd

[badgeredd]

I just re-read your post (oops...my bad) and, IMO, I doubt that either one is hugely ahead of the other with like weight bullets. Of course I'd be inclined to think the 40-65 would have a bit better down range ballistics, because the same weigh boolit would be a bit more aerodynamic.....but that is purely a guess.

I also doubt that one would gain anything by going above a 400ish grain boolit in the 45-60 if it were loaded to somewhat original specs.

Just my thoughts,

Edd

[Doc Highwall]

My vote goes to the 40-65. It did become popular with the silhouette shooters because of less recoil then the 45-70 and enough knock down power at 500 meters for the rams.

[Baron von Trollwhack]

Two years ago I got one of Uberti's Highwalls in 45 Colt from Dixie at a very good price. It had a 1/18 twist, and the groove measured a tight .4515. I had a removeable pilot reamer made to R-P cases and CH4D dies for the 45-60. It was rechambered, the barrel shortened, front sight reset, d & t for weaver bases, was already d& t for a tang sight.

It is a great shooter for anything lead from 255Keiths, to 350 fngc's, to the 525 grain 452 Dixie Whitworth bullet, all with black or smokeless. As far as I can tell its very near 45-70 horsepower with less recoil. especially with smokeless. I used a B-78 for many years and I like this gem better.

Bvt

[wills]

There was an article on loading the 40 - 65 in the February 2008 Handloader

[Boz330]

40-65, but I am biased since I own 2 and am building a roller in that caliber just for deer hunting. Either one will do the job though. I would think the 40 would have a slight edge on trajectory with the same weight boolit with BP.

Bob

[BPCR Bill]

Alot of guys shoot the 40-65 at silhouette, true, and I have some buddies that shoot them at the Quigley around 800 yards with alot of success. One year I witnessed a guy win a 1000 yard match with a 40-65, but the heretic was shooting smokeless. At long range you better be very familiar with your rifle and loads, it' pushing the envelope, but it can be done. 40-65 is a great round.

[montana_charlie]

Rambunctious fired his Shiloh 45/70 at the last Quigley match and landed in (about) 60th place in a field of 6 or 7 hundred shooters.
His wife, Linda, finished at (around) 30th with her 40/65 Pedersoli.
CM

[jnovotny]

:lovebooliThanks for all the replys, was kinda leanen toward the 40-65 anyways.