Pbs!

[echo154]

I had an epiphany while watching newbies getting ready to go out.hunting, they both had ultra modern in line ML. boasting about 1500fps. they are using saboted30to338 caliber projtiles. the weapons have the same range and lethality as modern hi powered rifle.
it seem that this of us who wish to shoot in the historical manner of our fathers,fathers and even the fathers should be reasonabley allowed the same consideration.
Most of us take great pride in making our own bullet and fitting them into a match trimmed car and precise loads of black power. we then spend hours at the range learning bulletplacement ( wind, humidity,uphill or down and heat shimmers).
The projectile are soft lead and quickly slow, if not stop inside the animal.
its also a proven fact that far more hunters are hurt from heart problems, or people with bows or shotguns'



BP cartridge hunters get one shot so we make sure its a good shot. its not like we are millions of wealthy out of stater buy up leases so they can party and tear up the land.
I enjoy fishing, hunting and foreaging for wild edibles, I am very patient and respectful
try writing you senater, congress....heck why not uncle JO:shock:






I Believe its time to let our diligent hunters to use any BP cartridge original used for the appropriate game with BP loads

[Sasquatch-1]

Your poll question was cut off and I am not exactly sure what you are asking.

As for primitive seasons I here a few states are removing the inlines from participation and only allowing traditional style locks.

Also, I believe muzzle loading seasons should be just that.

[GregLaROCHE]

I don’t think inlines should be allowed for hunting during times reserved for primitive type arms. They aren’t primitive.

[444ttd]

its been about 10 years since i shot inlines and sabots. i believe it was wolf inline(2 of them) that got me started. i gave both of the wolf's to my sons' and i got tc encore 50 cal. i used it for only one year and i put it in the safe. i have a flintlock cva hawkens in 50 cal but i forgot i needed patches, so i have ordered them. i was going to use .429" 255gr keith and a sabot in my cva, but i think i won't pollute cva with sabot. so i'll use the encore.

i know i'm cheap, but i won't sacrifice $30/box for pyrodex pellets(50gr). $12 per 100 pcs of cci 209 primers was a shock to me, but i still bought them at a lgs. i'll use goex 2f instead of pellets.

i use the cva with prb. it don't like maxi balls.

[Nobade]

So are you saying you want to use your BPCR during primitive hunts? Mississippi does that already, I think they are just trying to get rid of more deer. Why not just use it during rifle season?

[flatsguide]

This is really a sore spot for me. Inline ignition, scopes , white powder, BPCR’s and sabot loads are not in the spirit of traditional/primitive season hunts, and were not fore seen when the primitive/traditional seasons were enacted. Matchlock, wheel lock, flintlock and cap-lock only. Any ignition source used prior to 1840. Rifles and guns(Fowlers) patched roundball or buckshot only. Iron sights only. No caplocks modified to use modern primers. No sabot’s. No cartridge rifles. No jacketed bullets. No breech loading, muzzleloading only. “primitive “ rifle now, are modern rifles just lacking the brass case. Use them in regular season.
Cheers Richard

[megasupermagnum]

I say live and let live. The only stipulation I ask is that the muzzleloader only season is for only guns that load from the muzzle. I might be convinced of one exception for a cap and ball revolver, but that's it. Beyond that, I don't care one iota if you shoot a Knight bolt muzzleloader, or a hand crafted longrifle. I do not care one bit what sights you use. Rifle scopes existed pre 1840. If you can't mount a Leupold to your muzzleloader, then you shouldn't be allowed to use a steel barrel either. You can't allow patched round balls, which is a saboted bullet, and not allow a "saboted bullet". As for cartridge rifles in the muzzleloader season, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I understand what some of you are saying, but no, I will never, ever support restricting muzzleloader ignition types. Not one person is going to stop you from hunting with your hand built muzzleloader. As long as you have a muzzleloader season, restricting other's choices is nothing but being elitist.

[sharps4590]

Not directed toward anyone, period. This has been my stance since the first in-line I saw.

My property, my rules, no in-lines, no scopes. Simple. Don't like the rules that's fine, I don't remember "you, whoever you is", being invited. If that makes me an elitist, well, that's one person's opinion. Many others call it "traditionalist."

I've hunted with BPC rifles for close on to 35 years. As far as allowing them in a primitive season....I don't think so. I've used mine during regular deer, elk, bear, antelope, hog season since I've owned one and have enjoyed it immensely. Muzzleloading season should be for muzzleloaders, traditional muzzleloaders.

[Edward]

Just what's needed more Traditional (Elitist's) policing the hunt ,lets make it harder for newbies to have interest much less get involved . We don"t have enough liberals choking our sport ,lets choke each other ! I've seen it happen with bows (no compounds says the stik bow shooter (I am) but don't harass the new guy that might enjoy shooting the newest version of training wheels . I shot stik bows for 35-40 yrs till I couldn't and then came Mathews . If it's legal let it go and shoot exactly what you like ,chances are I wouldn't ask to hunt any place owned by liberals or opiniated land owners as I tend to avoid both! /Ed

[bedbugbilly]

I'm a bit confused in what you are asking as well - especially with your answer selections.

"quality of meet" . . . are you talking about meeting nice folks in the woods?

I have been shooting BP nigh on to 60 years and am a "traditionalist" . . . but to each his own . . . it someone wants to use an inline - more power to 'em . . . it's their choice . . . it's called freedom.

Every state has their own regulations and if you hunt in those states . . . you play by the rules. I have no issue with someone hunting with a black powder csrtridge rifle . . . I load and shoot a lot of black powder cartridges. If their state allows it . . . go for it.

As far as contacting politicians . . . . that's a personal choice but I have about as much use for politicians as I do three legged goats. Contact "Uncle Joe" as you suggest? He doesn't even know what state he is in but you could contact his sidekick . . . if anyone knows where she is.

As I said . . . . every state has their own regulations . . . personally I would prefer that during primitive season the in-lines not be allowed . . . let 'em be used during regular gun season . . . but that[s just me and I'm sure that each state has their reasons for doing things the way they do. If in-lines get more e people into shooting BP and it possibly leads them to wanting to try a traditional rifle - then that's what it's all about.

Through the years, I have seen far too many folks look down their nose at people who shoot in-lomes. Most would rather bad mouth them than carry on a decent conversation with them, let them shoot their traditional rifles and try to win them over to getting a flint or a percussion cap rifle. And through all the years I have been shooting . . . I have seen many who claim to be "traditional shooters" - they carry an entire sporting goods store in their hunting pouches, utilize all the latest gimmicks, carry plastic ramrods and wouldn't know how to cast in a bag mold using a bag ladle over wood coals nor how to trim a sprue off with a bag mold . . . so everything is in the eyes of the beholder as tp the definition of "traditional". Everyone is different in their likes and dislikes and overall, I think most states do a pretty good job of making it so a majority can enjoy a hunting season.

[ascast]

please repost your question ( s ) so it makes sense.

[leadhead]

In Pa., you have to use flintlock rifles in muzzle loading season. No caplocks.
leadhead

[sharps4590]

I own about 40 acres so the number of hunters is self limiting. Within less than 20 miles of me is Mark Twain Natl. Forest. I'm not preventing anyone from using their in-line or their interest in them. They just aren't using it on my PRIVATE property for hunting. Same goes for compounds and crossguns during archery season. It was that way on my old farm when compounds came out in the mid-70's and it's that way now on my significantly reduced acreage. If there is/was a health reason, that is entirely different. Anyone doesn't like it, let me buy you a beer to cry in. I paid the purchase price, the taxes and insurance, my place, my rules. If that makes me an elitist in the eyes of some....I can only assume you are a border line socialist who doesn't respect private property rights. You want ME to abide by YOUR beliefs on MY private property Just like my speech is free only as long as it agrees with yours? Ain't happenin'. You don't put a Formula 1 car in a vintage sports car race and no one fusses about that. They're both cars, they both have 4 wheels, brakes, an engine and have to be driven. Must be those elitists at work again rather than simple rules set by those who sanction the race. What's the difference?

[freakonaleash]

I got over worrying about what other people hunt with 30 years ago.

[444ttd]

In Pa., you have to use flintlock rifles in muzzle loading season. No caplocks.
leadhead


you have two muzzleloader seasons in PA. one is early muzzleloader doe season and it is flints, caplocks and inlines. the other is flintlock season, which is only for flintlocks and you can shoot either a buck(if you don't have a archery or regular tag already filled out) or a doe.

i haven't had a inline for about 10+ years. i like to use my flintlock and prb, but this year i forgot patches(ordered them, .015" i can't get locally) so i'll use my encore inline and a .429" 280gr wfn and sabot with 2f.

personally, i like the flintlock season. the "primitive" season, it sure ain't. pyrodex pellets, sabots, breech plugs, fiber optic sights are just some of them used in the flintlock season. i use fiber optic sights on my flintlock because i don't see well anymore, whoops. inlines, to me, are just single shot rifles without the brass. yes, they are fun and they generate alot of money...but it ain't no flintlock.

maybe i'm gettin old but i love flintlocks. caplocks and inlines are fine by me, but not to some. if you go onto private property and the owner hates/bans inlines buts they are ok with flints or caps, then its time to put your inline away and bring out the flints/caps.

[megasupermagnum]

Geeze, nobody said anything about what you allow on your own land. Did they? Or am I wrong? What is this thread even really about? Echo154, your poll makes no sense, and this thread is vague.

[mooman76]

I think I understand what you are getting at but IL doesn't even have a real ML season now. They have a season where they Allow MLs for hunting. Every state is different and has it's own needs so you can't really have a blanket ML season that is the same for all states. I've lived in allot of different states over the years and can see their reasons for the differences. Some people tend to think that ML seasons or made to bring back heritage and that actually may hold true for some states but is not necessarily fact for all states. Il does not have a CF rifle season but I think they should loosen up and maybe allow it with straight walled cartridges or lower powered CF rifles such as 30-30.

[Texas by God]

I wish that TP&W would just give us a week long antlerless only ML season for deer after the regular season ends in January. I've only killed two deer with muzzleloaders; one with the $100 CVA .50 caliber Blazer( technically an inline haha) and my .54 Lyman Plains Pistol( 8 point buck @40 feet- so exciting!) Both during regular gun season.

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[indian joe]

Just what's needed more Traditional (Elitist's) policing the hunt ,lets make it harder for newbies to have interest much less get involved . We don"t have enough liberals choking our sport ,lets choke each other ! I've seen it happen with bows (no compounds says the stik bow shooter (I am) but don't harass the new guy that might enjoy shooting the newest version of training wheels . I shot stik bows for 35-40 yrs till I couldn't and then came Mathews . If it's legal let it go and shoot exactly what you like ,chances are I wouldn't ask to hunt any place owned by liberals or opiniated land owners as I tend to avoid both! /Ed

Just an observer here - seems to me the original idea was an extra period (week ?) open season for muzzleloader shooters while game was relatively undisturbed - a hard fought concession intended for traditional old time firearms - then whoopee! we got an extra week says all the high power smokeless boys how can we bend the rules here - ahh I know lets make a modern smokeless style gun with scope and all, but the rules sez we gotta put the powder in from the wrong end - these inline abominations would never have come into existence for any other reason than to skirt the rules for muzzleloader season --- yeah ok call me all kinds of elitist - i really dont care - inlines belong in the same garbage bin as tacticool wannabe lever gunz ............................

[toot]

yes cut off. no vote. on what I cant see, or read.

[country gent]

Ohio initiated a "straight walled " rifle class to the gun season which includes the BPCR cartridges. Im all for it. But it also includes smokless powder cartridges but each their own there.

I believe that the addition will make some hunters more humane taking deer, before with shotguns handguns and muzzleloaders, some were handgun hunting that werent quite up to the task.

My issue is when they allow the modern in lines during our primitive weapons season During gun season is fine but primitive should be the traditional of our fore fathers just like crossbows during archery season.

[Hossfly]

Louisiana just calls it primitive weapon season. We got too many deer here. About 1/4 million killed by hunters, and about the same by automobiles.

[sharps4590]

I don't worry about what anyone hunts with nor do I care. MDC has their rules, I have mine. Mine are a lot more simple...

[echo154]

Sorry Guys was tied up with medical issues.......not sure on what I did (not computer literate) my question was as to what the general thought was as to allowing BPCR for deer (and other game). Illinois is rather anti gun to begin with but I don't see why modern inline are OK but BPCR are not.

[Sasquatch-1]

Sorry Guys was tied up with medical issues.......not sure on what I did (not computer literate) my question was as to what the general thought was as to allowing BPCR for deer (and other game). Illinois is rather anti gun to begin with but I don't see why modern inline are OK but BPCR are not.

Not to sound nasty or anything like that, but what it sounds like you are saying, "OK, you are allowing in-lines that use hotter primers, straight line ignition and copper jacketed bullets hunt in primitive season, why can't I use the same thing in a metallic case?" Then the guys who shoot high power center fire will say, "you're letting these guys with black powder cartridge guns hunt during that season, why can't we?"

I still say leave the primitive season to the traditional style sidelock and earlier.

BTW, I hope you are doing better.

[mooman76]

IL doesn't really have a primitive season and they also do not allow centerfire rifles either.

[TyGuy]

I fall into the camp of less restrictions are better than more. The herd needs to be managed in a way that is best for both the deer themselves and the people who now live along with them. That said, I think that whatever method you choose to use should be a personal call. Use what you are confident you can get a clean kill with.

Some have said that it’s their property and their rules. It’s hard to argue with that. I know folks who will not allow guest hunters to shoot bucks. Others do not allow does or yearlings to be taken. Just like asking guests to take their shoes off at the door. Some folks get bent out of shape about it but they are not the ones who paid for the floors and take the time to clean them. However, I think that’s an entirely different conversation than this thread was meant to be.

People bring up the issue of crossbow use during archery season. I personally used a recurve until I injured my shoulders at work. I could have used a compound but chose to be traditional. Now in my mid 30s I can’t pull it back anymore and I hate that, but it is what it is. I will use a crossbow and don’t care who thinks “it’s cheating”. Most of those I hear crabbing about it don’t even bow hunt so their opinion is irrelevant.

Department of conservation will set the seasons and we can choose to use the methods we like within their parameters. As long as folks are abiding by the same rules I am subjected to, who am I to dictate how others hunt?

[megasupermagnum]

Sorry Guys was tied up with medical issues.......not sure on what I did (not computer literate) my question was as to what the general thought was as to allowing BPCR for deer (and other game). Illinois is rather anti gun to begin with but I don't see why modern inline are OK but BPCR are not.

Ok, in that case, absolutely not. An inline muzzleloader is still a muzzleloader. If you put a 1:28 twist, shallow rifling barrel on a TC Hawken, you would have the exact same thing, just a different look.

What I am in support of is lengthening the seasons. Firearms, which is where you could shoot a BPCR, should be longer in a lot of northern states. In Minnesota for example, the firearms season should be 3 weeks statewide. Currently it is only the far north that gets 3 weeks, everyone else gets 9 days. Along with that, I want the muzzleloader tag to be legal during the firearms season (while using a muzzleloader to hunt), as well as extending the muzzleloader only season through December, to end on the same day bow season ends.

South Dakota, where I live now, I think has the seasons pretty well perfect. I would like to see the muzzleloader tag legal during the firearms season.

[JohnH]

I fail to see how a guy hunting from a tree stand with a break open inline with a scope on it dressed in modern camo lined with thinsulate, wearing battery powered socks and dousing himself in sent killer has anything to do with someone 40-60 acres or 100 or more miles away wearing wool long john's, buck skins and moccasins with a traditional flint or caplock rifle.

Now the interesting thing is this, those ancestors we might emulate, just as soon as flintlocks became available, abandoned the match and wheel lock. As soon as percussion caps became available they shed those flintlocks and replaced them with percussion guns, and as soon as cartridge guns came out they shed those percussion guns and as soon as smokeless powder came out they shed black. If we follow our ancestors lead, we'd never go back to "traditional muzzleloaders" as the real tradition our ancestors passed on was to continue to advance technology. If someone wants to traipse through the woods wearing traditional buckskins, wearing moccasins a coonskin cap sportin' a Kentucky Rifle. Cool!!! But just because that's one persons dream hunt don't make it another's. So long as people are doing what is legal for them to do, the rest of us should mind our own business and do all we can do to make our own hunt the most it can be for ourselves.

[Nobade]

IL doesn't really have a primitive season and they also do not allow centerfire rifles either.

I wonder what they would think of my Vetterli shooting rimfire ammo?
I don't think I'll go find out, someone else can do that.

[rbuck351]

Would you restrict Brownings harmonica rifle built in about 1840. It's neither a muzzleloader, sidelock or single shot but it is a primitive percussion rifle. No matter what you call the special season, each state will have a set of rules to follow for it. Many seem to have to game the system. If I take my 30/06 and load the chamber with a charged case and push a rifling engraved bullet down the barrel can I use it in a muzzle loader season? Can use Brownings 5 shot harmonica rifle in a primitive hunt?
Part of the reason for not allowing a BPCR would probably be multi shot lever rifles in some fairly stout BP cartridges.

[Edward]

I still call anyone who restricts hunting with their definition of primitive (ELETIST) ! If its legal use it and you can walk with a rock (PRIMITIVE) /Ed

[sharps4590]

If you could spell it.

[JimB..]

Hmm for this question the answer is almost certainly 42

[Nobade]

Hmm for this question the answer is almost certainly 42

Undoubtedly.

[Tar Heel]

Allowance of the use of inline arms with scopes, white powder, lasers, radar, shotgun primers, and all the rest of that mess ERODES THE INTENT of the primitive weapon season. Let's get some tradition here and STOP saying "anything goes". Learn to say NO.

Keep the season primitive with flintlock or caplock muzzleloading firearms. Keep the season primitive with longbow.

Look what has happened to NASCAR and the NHRA. If you don't have 15 million dollars, 5 cars, 74 sponsors, and 3 drivers - you don't race. Look what happened to the IPSC, IDPA, USPSA, SASS, CAS, and and other shooting sports organizations. Go pro or go home. Let's keep the primitive season PRIMITIVE. Send the inline stuff packing. That's my vote!

42

[444ttd]

Allowance of the use of inline arms with scopes, white powder, lasers, radar, shotgun primers, and all the rest of that mess ERODES THE INTENT of the primitive weapon season. Let's get some tradition here and STOP saying "anything goes". Learn to say NO.

Keep the season primitive with flintlock or caplock muzzleloading firearms. Keep the season primitive with longbow.

Look what has happened to NASCAR and the NHRA. If you don't have 15 million dollars, 5 cars, 74 sponsors, and 3 drivers - you don't race. Look what happened to the IPSC, IDPA, USPSA, SASS, CAS, and and other shooting sports organizations. Go pro or go home. Let's keep the primitive season PRIMITIVE. Send the inline stuff packing. That's my vote!

42

me too!!!!

[sharps4590]

OMG!!!! You mean you expect RULES? You see, evidently it isn't the same as racing where rules are mostly ok...till money talks. It's ok if your ox gets gored, you just aren't supposed to object. You must be tolerant and obliging to those who usurped primitive seasons and do so with a smile on your face. After all, it's now legal.

Not a lot different from those shooting a scoped in line who wanted to enter rendezvous matches. They didn't like it when they were told no, got mad, took their toy and went home whining when the match organizers held their ground. Unlike most money hungry game departments that emasculated primitive seasons.

Why can't I use a 50 BMG cartridge, single shot rifle during rifle season? It's centerfire, shoots a single projectile and can be shoulder fired. Better yet, a 20mm, they oughta be legal. I guess it's the ELITISTS keeping me from using one as they're restricting what I want to use. Why do some states restrict areas to shotgun only? Those pesky elitists again I suppose. They're restricting what a lot of guys want to use.

[TyGuy]

Why can't I use a 50 BMG cartridge, single shot rifle during rifle season? It's centerfire, shoots a single projectile and can be shoulder fired. Better yet, a 20mm, they oughta be legal.

Technically speaking, MDC does not specifically list a maximum caliber for deer hunting. The 20mm may be out due to it’s status as a DD but from what I have read the 50 BMG is legal. Not that I think anyone in their right mind should partake in those types of shenanigans. Just saying that if it’s not listed as prohibited then it’s legally on the table.

If the rules say inlines are ok then use them if you want. If you prefer to go the traditional route why not try your hand at the atlatl? It’s specifically listed as an acceptable method! Haha!

I agree that inlines are a silly thing to include in a muzzleloader season. However, here in MO it’s not called “muzzleloader season” anymore. It’s Alternative Methods season and is basically open to anything but rifles and shotguns. There was even a memo published online from MDC clarifying that AR pistols were acceptable. If they want to prevent people from using certain methods they will change the rules. Until then, hunt however makes you happy within those rules.

[Tar Heel]

I agree that inlines are a silly thing to include in a muzzleloader season. However, here in MO it’s not called “muzzleloader season” anymore. It’s Alternative Methods season and is basically open to anything but rifles and shotguns.

Well since there are no longer Men/Women, Boys/Girls, Male/Female and anything goes, why not right? I filled out a survey form today from MidwayUSA (their agent) and it wanted to know my gender. Of the dozen or so potential selections I chose "Other". I then filled in the blank with "Penis attached at birth." :-)

[megasupermagnum]

OMG!!!! You mean you expect RULES? You see, evidently it isn't the same as racing where rules are mostly ok...till money talks. It's ok if your ox gets gored, you just aren't supposed to object. You must be tolerant and obliging to those who usurped primitive seasons and do so with a smile on your face. After all, it's now legal.

Not a lot different from those shooting a scoped in line who wanted to enter rendezvous matches. They didn't like it when they were told no, got mad, took their toy and went home whining when the match organizers held their ground. Unlike most money hungry game departments that emasculated primitive seasons.

Why can't I use a 50 BMG cartridge, single shot rifle during rifle season? It's centerfire, shoots a single projectile and can be shoulder fired. Better yet, a 20mm, they oughta be legal. I guess it's the ELITISTS keeping me from using one as they're restricting what I want to use. Why do some states restrict areas to shotgun only? Those pesky elitists again I suppose. They're restricting what a lot of guys want to use.

In what state can you not use a 50 BMG for hunting? It's legal around here, why wouldn't it be?

I am 100% against "shotgun only" areas. They are dumb no matter how you cut it. First of all, half the "shotgun only" areas don't even let you use buckshot, so really it is slug only. Maybe back in 1962 that meant something, but now in 2021, it's a joke. Shotguns and slugs have at least doubled their range, more like tripled, and every "shotgun only" area I know of also allows "handguns" which include the TC Encore and Contender. You can legally shoot an 18" barrel Encore in 308 winchester, as long as it has a pistol grip. It's kind of ungainly, but such a setup still can shoot accurately out to 300 yards, more if you practiced. I want to see every "shotgun only" zone eliminated completely, as well as allowing buckshot in shotguns.

Your argument is ridiculous. Muzzleloader seasons have not been reduced as new cheaper guns have been developed, they have only been increased. Muzzleloader season is no different than bow season in their purpose. Bow seasons as well have only expanded since compound's have came into use. If anything, an inline muzzleloader has more in common with a flintlock, than a compound bow does with a longbow.

[mooman76]

50 BMG not legal to hunt with here.

[sharps4590]

mega, obviously you are ignorant of a great number of states regs. You van't use a 50 BMG in Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, parts of Michigan and I believe parts of Wisconsin. You're also oblivious to what used to be muzzleloading season in Missouri. I was there when it was implemented as a traditional muzzleloading season so those who chose could experience muzzleloaders the way the pioneers of Missouri did. It had nothing to do with atlatl's, bows, spears, scoped in-lines or anything else. It was for traditional muzzleloaders. As has been pointed out, Missouri no longer has a muzzleloading season and it isn't even called such. Not when you can use AR and AK pistols or Contenders or smokeless revolvers. 'Course I never gave MDC any points for understanding ballistics in the first place.

So, with all due respect, you have much to learn about seasons in various states, as do I. My argument is valid, yours is based on ignorance and is false as well as ridiculous.

[Sasquatch-1]

Simple solution would be the use of loose powder and patched round ball during primitive seasons. If the inliners want to load loose powder and round ball then they would be welcome.

[megasupermagnum]

I want to extend seasons that you can use traditional muzzleloaders in. What part of that is ignorant and ridiculous?

No I don't memorize all 50 states specific regulations. I can't even memorize one state. You can use a 50 BMG in Wisconsin, they hardly have any unneeded requirements. There's special seasons/zones, but if you can use a rifle, you can have it in 50 BMG if you want.

I'm not even going to bother with Illinois, I wouldn't hunt there if you paid me.

You can hunt with a 50 BMG in Michigan in the rifle zone. " It is legal to hunt deer north of the limited firearm deer zone with any caliber of firearm except a .22-caliber or smaller rimfire (rifle or handgun)"

As far as I know, Iowa doesn't have rifle hunting, only the "straight wall" cartridge's along with the shotguns.

Ohio, same thing, rifles not legal.

Indiana has some kind of bogus thing going on. For mere peasants, no rifles at all. For big landowners, you can use a short list of calibers, and you are correct, 50 BMG did not make the cut.

Missouri, I almost don't want to say this, but I think you are wrong about your own state. I've been looking up and down the regulations, and can't seem to find any caliber regulations at all for your November deer firearms season, other than no rimfire. "Centerfire pistols, revolvers or rifles using expanding-type bullets; legal ammunition includes lead bullets, copper bullets and bullets made of other material designed to expand."

I'm looking through every exclusions in there, looking online, looking through Missouri deer forums, nothing. I'm afraid you are wrong, you can deer hunt with a 50 BMG in Missouri.

And to your south I found Oklahoma, 50 BMG is legal "Centerfire rifles firing at least a 55-grain weight soft-nosed or hollow-point bullet"

Arkansas says most centerfire rifles are legal, with a list of exceptions. 50 BMG is not on the list, and is legal.

You really have to try hard to find states you can't use a 50 BMG on deer.

[sharps4590]

Muzzleloading season as a stand alone season has been eliminated in a lot of states. Whatever.....there still isn't going to be any inlines, crossbows or compound bows on this property as long as I own it, regardless of what is legal in what state. My place, my rules, discussion closed...purist that I am because there is certainly nothing elite about me.

No, it isn't difficult to find a state where 50 BMG is illegal....the point was there's a reg. and few, if any, object to it.

[megasupermagnum]

So object to it. It's looking like Missouri is one of the few states with a pathetic primative season. What you do on your land, nobody cares. You could require custom built rifles for all I care. Trying to force the rest of the state to use one thing is elitist, but you don't seem to be for that I hope. You can expand seasons without restricting others. It doesn't have to be an either/or conundrum. I have no business in Missouri, but if I was, I'd be wanting to expand that "alternatives" seasons to at least 4 weeks. Personally I think it is fantastic a state is allowing deer hunting with Atlatl.