Goex Closing - press release

[JohnnyEnfield]

I assume many of you heard about Hodgdon planning to close the Goex plant. I am posting the press release here but the actual picture wont upload for some reason.

http://firearms.fortreg.com/index.php/item/657-hodgdon-closing-goex-faciliy.html

[JohnnyEnfield]

I see it worked after all. This is very sad to me and I wish this was not happening. I hope someone buys it and continues making BP.

[FarNorth45]

I am so screwed !!!! I live in Alaska , only one place sales Blackpowder in the whole state ... and that was Goex . Just talked to that gun store and they completely shutting down . Said they are sitting inn a half empty store and calling it done !!!! Was a awesome gun shop!!

[Green Frog]

The North-South Skirmish Association has a “Black Powder Only” policy for their competitive events... I wonder how this closure will affect that?

Froggie

[Tom Trevor]

Plenty of Schuetzen from Germany and Swiss will still be here.Panic buying has cleaned out dealers. One told me ship load of both due next month.

[nicholst55]

Plenty of Schuetzen from Germany and Swiss will still be here.Panic buying has cleaned out dealers. One told me ship load of both due next month.

Let's hope that the supply chain does not become broken.

[too many things]

well one thing is shipping and control on BP
last i got from the reenactors he told me 3 yrs back that it would not be long before they had to go to pirodex . they were trying things to make it smoke
but in the end will have to make it
i posted a place that sells the stuff
its called
Pyro Chemical Source
they have all the stuff . and it at good price shipping is little high ,because fedx . but haz mat is too for powder

[M-Tecs]

No significant issues shipping but Fire Marshall issues for store front retailers are a challenge. Normally I order 50 pounds.

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/qa/black-powder-subject-regulation-under-federal-explosives-laws

Is black powder subject to regulation under federal explosives laws?
Black powder is an explosive material for purposes of federal explosives laws and regulations.

However, the law exempts from regulation commercially manufactured black powder in quantities not exceeding 50 pounds (as well as percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers) intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16) or in antique devices exempted from the term "destructive device" in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4).

Regardless, persons engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in black powder in any quantity must have a federal explosives license, and comply with recordkeeping, storage and conduct of business requirements.

[18 U.S.C. 841(c), 841(d), 845(a)(5); 27 CFR 555.11: definitions of "explosives" and "explosive materials", 555.141(b)]

Last Reviewed January 22, 2020

[Tar Heel]

Let's hope that the supply chain does not become broken.

It is already severely broken. To wit: 53 cargo ships at anchor off the California coast. Supplies have stopped shipping from overseas if they were available anyway until this port mess is cleared up on our end. The east coast ports are in trouble as well with ships in queue.

[rfd]

Everything about the firearms industry is under attack, more so now than ever before. This should come as no surprise as the new world order marches ever forward.

The next prohibition will be on powder shipping.

Like the backwoods bootleg stills of the 20's, the same may be coming true for the holy black of today's 20's.

[uscra112]

Black powder ain't hard to make, but it is hard to make well.

Download this page, in case it disappears

https://web.archive.org/web/20110520014915/http://musketeer.ch/index.html

[444ttd]

i wonder if hodgdon closes the pyrodex pellets that inlines use?

[dkf]

Hope someone else buys it. Hodgdon has been buying up every brand they could. Now axing two long standing brands that guys developed loads for and rely on. Boo.


i wonder if hodgdon closes the pyrodex pellets that inlines use?

Doubt it. Pyrodex isn't black powder.

[chrometip78]

Hope someone else buys it. Hodgdon has been buying up every brand they could. Now axing two long standing brands that guys developed loads for and rely on. Boo.



Doubt it. Pyrodex isn't black powder.

What is the other brand they axed?

[Walks]

It is already severely broken. To wit: 53 cargo ships at anchor off the California coast. Supplies have stopped shipping from overseas if they were available anyway until this port mess is cleared up on our end. The east coast ports are in trouble as well with ships in queue.

The Longshoremens Union has the unloading of ships for the Los Angeles Harbor ports of Long Beach and San Pedro sewn up tight.
They load and unload when they feel like it, and memberships in the union are passed down thru family members. Almost no increase in member numbers in the last 30yrs.

I still can't seem to understand why they are just shutting down at this time.

Hodgdon already controls over 85% of Powder Manufacture/Distribution in this country.

[dkf]

What is the other brand they axed?

Olde Eynsford. Same plant but different name, supposed be slightly different than regular Goex. Its their premium line of BP.

[Thundermaker]

https://youtu.be/oHLS3dwxr4o

[M-Tecs]

https://youtu.be/oHLS3dwxr4o

I know for a fact at least one Hodgdon family member is not happy with this decision but that what happens when you turn a business over to the Business School bean counter types.

[376Steyr]

The Goex plant had another fire in June 2021, the seventh since 1997: https://websterparishjournal.com/2021/06/22/public-awaits-answers-on-goex-explosion/ and https://www.ksla.com/2021/06/18/explosion-reported-black-powder-facility-camp-minden/

The Hodgdon VP tried to put on a happy face in his interview, such as "no fatalities yet!" since they want to sell the plant, but it doesn't take a whole lot of bean-counting to realize there is a disproportionate amount of risk in making black powder. Maybe the next time Hodgdon wouldn't be so lucky, and a disaster at the plant would wind up taking down the whole company. I kind of suspect their next insurance premium payment for the plant was going to be a whopper too.

[Gunlaker]

Olde Eynsford. Same plant but different name, supposed be slightly different than regular Goex. Its their premium line of BP.

In the past they also killed Goex Cartridge which a lot of people relied upon. Then they came out with the Goex Express line of powders which were quite good. Then they came out with Old Eynsford. Based on past history I expected that the OE powders, at least, would be killed off at some time, but I didn't expect the entire line of Goex powders to go away.

Chris.

[ANick57]

A bit of poking around tonite on the matter of GOEX, future of; 1 each.
We found out early this year that Estes Energetics acquired GOEX, and not much since. Or more precisely, I haven't seen anything for a while ...

Two items of interest I came across tonight this time which are a bit of good news I think:

1) From June of this year (2022) on a Facebook post of 'I Love Muzzleloading', (On FB, go to 'I Love Muzzleloading' and search posts for "GOEX") (FB Link (https://www.facebook.com/page/107772658133150/search/?q=GOEX)) The report indicates production on track, shipments Q1, 2023?
2) Another post there or on Instagram by the same author lead to this August 10, 2022 release, https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3123353/defense-department-invests-to-re-establish-domestic-production-of-critical-prop/fbclid/defense-department-invests-to-re-establish-domestic-production-of-critical-prop/

Anyway. I thought putting an update on this wouldn't hurt. :)

Have a good one

[M-Tecs]

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?446149-Defense-Department-Invests-to-Re-Establish-Domestic-Production-of-GOEX-Blackpowder&highlight=Goex

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?446185-Goex-News&highlight=Domestic+Production+GOEX+Blackpowder

[ANick57]

Thanks!
I hadn't made it past this thread before running the Google..
Darned good news by any measure...

[Rapier]

I have shot BP for a long, long while. It just keeps getting more and more complicated, in every direction, very much on purpose. Once they split BP off from smokeless, BP became the low hanging fruit, an explosive in every liberal article, film, vid, etc. Next it will be switched from one list to another for importing.

[Dirty Steve]

I got an email today... Buffalo Arms is now accepting orders for Goex expected to ship in June/July...

[barnetmill]

I have not seen any musket caps for sale for long time either. If I see some black powder I will buy some since I do own a couple older cartridge guns that can handle it and do have a couple cap lock rifles.

[fastdadio]

I have not seen any musket caps for sale for long time either. If I see some black powder I will buy some since I do own a couple older cartridge guns that can handle it and do have a couple cap lock rifles.

Powder valley has them listed right now.
https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/product/cci-u-s-musket-caps-4-wing-1000/
They have Swiss and Schuetzen in stock also.... Get it while you can.

[barnetmill]

Powder valley has them listed right now.
https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/product/cci-u-s-musket-caps-4-wing-1000/
They have Swiss and Schuetzen in stock also.... Get it while you can.
Thanks
CCI U.S. Musket Caps 4-Wing (1000)
SKU: CCI0301
Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 3 customer ratings
(3 customer reviews)

$120.00

[john.k]

Musket caps here ...$25 /100 ...although in proper money thats about $15US.

[Road_Clam]

Thanks
CCI U.S. Musket Caps 4-Wing (1000)
SKU: CCI0301
Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 3 customer ratings
(3 customer reviews)

$120.00

CCI winged caps are well regarded as junk, reenactor grade at best. If possible seek out RWS caps for the best consistency and precision.

[barnetmill]

CCI winged caps are well regarded as junk, reenactor grade at best. If possible seek out RWS caps for the best consistency and precision.

The problem is there is very little choice. There are no RWS to be found is what I am thinking. I am surprised that CCI caps have such a low rating.

[Bent Ramrod]

I found the CCI-300s are pretty good. The ones marked “Re-Enactor” don’t have the oomph to negotiate the two right angle turns in a Sharps percussion replica.

But they’re weak enough so they don’t fly to pieces when the hammer strikes, and I guess they can do one right angle and ignite a blank charge in a rifle-musket. The re-enactor can spare his uniform sleeve and maybe not have to wear safety glasses while he re-enacts. Unfortunately for real shooters, the re-enactors are a big part of the musket cap market.

I prowl the Gun Shows for partial or full tins of RWS, CCI-300 and Navy Arms musket caps. Are the Replica Arms (Made in England) musket caps any good?

[trapper9260]

Here is a link I found might help https://mainepowderhouse.com/news/

[barnetmill]

Adaptors for shotshell primers. I have 209 shotshell primers.

313958
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[Brokenbear]

Guys these are RWS and hot as Hades and available in 1000 and 5000 lots

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/28966

Bear