A good 1000 yard PP Bullet

[Kenny Wasserburger]

A good 1000 yard bullet.

38/50, 5 consecutive bulls first 5 shots. Winner at 1000 yards tied 3 ways @800 with 44/50. :shock:

Bullet is a dual diameter Elliptical design based on help from Jim Kluskins and Arnie Seitz.

Cut by Jim Brannon at BACO. This great bullet netted me 2nd overall in the Creedmoor match and in the aggregate for the Wasserburger Mile match.

Kw

[dirtball]

I am currious as to how your chamber is cut, freebore length if any, and how deep your are seating the bullet.

Thanks
Dave

[Lead pot]

Kenny,

You mean Arnie Seitz don't you?

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Yup you’re right Kurt.

KW

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Standard Shiloh chamber with about .050 leade. Bullet seated against the lands, I use my 3 Wad stack to facilitate that, last wad being the Sagebrush felt wad.

KW

[longbow]

Is that boolit patched to groove on the larger diameter base and patched to bore for the nose?

Longbow

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Exactly.
KW

[hpbear101]

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Interestingly it is kind of similar to the 1866 Chassepot bullet (with the exception of the groove diameter belt at the base) which was paper patched to a linen and silk case.

This has been a work in progress for me and I have minimal experience in paper patching. On your paper patch template is it the standard trapezoid patch, or is it shaped differently?

Thanks

Tom

[rainmaker62]

Lubed felt wad... or dry?
Very nice, btw

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Dry wad. No lube.

And patch was altered to allow for the larger base diameter.

KW.

[Kenny Wasserburger]

I forgot to mention this bullet is patched with Seth Cole 55W paper. And wet patched, the water has a bit of rubbing Alcohol to speed in drying, also a side benefit of removing some of the sizing of the paper. The patches dry and shrink tight to the bullet, confetti is the end result at the muzzle.

[rainmaker62]

With the step on the bullet, are you keeping the paper tight around the bullet with your fingers or just worrying about keeping it tight around the base and letting it "shrink" down toward the ogive?

[GregLaROCHE]

Impressive! That’s the shooting I dream about.

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Rainmaker,

I wet patch and paper shrinks tight to the bullet.

KW

[Abert Rim]

So Kenny, that same design but cut to .438 on the base band and .429 on the bore shank, and patched up .008, should approximately be the nuts in a Green Mountain .44-77 barrel (.437/.446) with 7 degree leade?

[ascast]

1,000 yds with a 38 ? WOW Who would have guessed that? well done

[Don McDowell]

So Kenny, that same design but cut to .438 on the base band and .429 on the bore shank, and patched up .008, should approximately be the nuts in a Green Mountain .44-77 barrel (.437/.446) with 7 degree leade?

I would suggest the bore shank at .437 and the base of the nose at .432. Keep the length to 1.4, and wet patch it in Seth Cole 55 w.
Lenth of the base section at 3/4 of the the diameter.

[Abert Rim]

Thanks, Don.

[Lead pot]

So Kenny, that same design but cut to .438 on the base band and .429 on the bore shank, and patched up .008, should approximately be the nuts in a Green Mountain .44-77 barrel (.437/.446) with 7 degree leade?

Abert,

I have two .44-77's and several other .44's with the BN and straight case with 1/19, 1/17 and 1/16 twists with the funnel transitions from 7º to 4/1.5º compound funnel transitions and Don is right that the 1.400" long bullets shoot very well past 1000 yards with the proper ogive and ball nose. I don't favor the sharp pointed ellipticals of less than a .250" nose. I want the shank longer than the ogive.
There is nothing wrong with a .429" shank when it's patched to a proper diameter.
That bullet below is from a straight shank BA mould that was .429" shank 1.4" long that I used for many years at long range paper and gong shoots and it has performed very well.
When Arnie started to work with DDPPE bullets I changed this mould using my Mill and I just had to try his lead with the DD projectiles but I wanted a little larger base for my early Wolfgang 1980's Shiloh that had a little more generous chamber so I made the base diameter .443" .250" long so it would fit all of my lead angles and set out of the case mouth enough that the bullet would not fall out handling it on line loading during the match. I don't like to pick up a bullet that fell on the ground when time gets short. :D
I patch this bullet using 100% cotton cockle finish Southworth paper wrapped dry .0018" thick.
What you see below is what it looks like fired with the hard alloy I use.
That bullets shoots very good with the 1/16 to 1/19 twist .44's.

Kurt


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[Abert Rim]

Thanks Kurt. One issue that lies ahead is finding a chamber reamer with that 7-degree leade transition and that will accommodate the rim thickness of BACO reformed brass. I may have to have friend Dave Manson cut one for me. Then I can really start playing with bullet moulds based on the wisdom and experience shared here.

[Kenny Wasserburger]

38 points out of a possible 50.

KW

[Lead pot]

Thanks Kurt. One issue that lies ahead is finding a chamber reamer with that 7-degree leade transition and that will accommodate the rim thickness of BACO reformed brass. I may have to have friend Dave Manson cut one for me. Then I can really start playing with bullet moulds based on the wisdom and experience shared here.


Abert,

Dave has made reamers for me and they all have been top rate.
If you have an existing rifle and you want to change the transition of the chamber end, say from a .45º to a 7º you mentioned a throating reamer like the photo below will work just fine, but it also could make junk out of your chamber if you don't take the proper precautions making a straight uniform cut. You don't just want to push the reamer into the chamber and start the cut. Have a bushing that will hold the reamer shank centered supported in the rim recess when you don't have use of a lathe and do the job with a "T" handle.
Also that throating reamer should be made for the existing chamber for best results.

If your existing rifle has the 45º transition now the DD PP will shoot just fine in it. You don't need a long funnel transition to make it shoot. But that 45 wall can cause problems.
I call the long funnel transitions a lead or PP bullet throat. I have changed several 45º to the 5 and even 4º compound throats and all improved the performance. I even have chamber reamers made from original rifles used during the 1870's Creedmoor matches that had even longer tapered throats.

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[Abert Rim]

Kurt, I haven't bought the barrel yet, so the chamber will be brand-new. Haven't decided on my smith yet, either, but will ask very carefully about just which .44-77 reamer the smith plans to use. This may mean that I will need to order the reamer from Dave M., in which case I would specify the 7-degree leade so as to accommodate both PP and greasers.
John Taylor has done very good work for me in the past.