Who is ready for a leveraction 200 yard contest?

[Savvy Jack]

Just checking to see if any of you guys are ready for some shooting as the weather cool!!!

How about a 50, 75, 100, 150 and 200 yard LEVERACTION challenge? (some guys don't have access to longer ranges.

Here is what the Roster looks like so far. Look at the blanks and send me the information needed to fill them.
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CHECK THE GOOGLE DOC LINK FOR FURTHER INFORMATION

Here is what the Category, Classes and Sub-classes look like.
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CHECK THE GOOGLE DOC LINK FOR FURTHER ADDITIONS and changes.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit#gid=1242120395



How many shots? hmmmmmm, maybe I can just note how many per target...we'll check on that. I think we should at least make it our best 5 shot groups for the season.

Objective - To see how shooters group a high trajectory cartridge at different ranges for the purpose of hunting white tail deer. This "contest" is centered more around hunting skills rather that just target shooting.

Remember, your true competitor is yourself!

RULES:

1. Please use loads and methods appropriate for hunting. (Bench rests are allowed), "mouse farts" are not. Standing, leaning, propping, slings, scopes, peep sights, sticks...any method that can be used while hunting is allowed.
2. I think that first shot is important so lets count that fowling shot.
3. Including and document the first shot,
4. Try to use at least 5 shot groups. A 5 shot group may beat a 3 shot group if the MOA's are equal. A 10 shot group may beat a 5 shot group...we will see how this works out.
5. If using a scope, zero in for a concrete range (your desired hunting range) and use elevation for other ranges. This will help you become familiar with and better your skills at calculating elevation at different ranges, especially if your scope is zeroed in at a longer distance and your target is at a closer range. This is one of the reasons for only using higher trajectory cartridges.
6. Lets stay with one cartridge type for right now.

Results can be seen here as we work out details. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit#gid=0
If anyone is interested, I think I can enable you to edit your own information if you so desire.

I use iPhone app, Balistic X to get the numers

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit#gid=1242120395

[kens]

you mean similar to CBA postal matches?

[Savvy Jack]

you mean similar to CBA postal matches?

Yeap, food for thought.

Trying to stay with larger deer hunting cartridges with large trajectories BUT we could add 357 Magnum if needed.
Oh darn, leveractions

[Savvy Jack]

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[Bazoo]

I’m game, but only if you separate the shooting stances so those that prefer standing has a fair chance. I’m down for 50 and 75 yards, standing and setting (no sling).

[Heavy45]

200 yards is ok, except I have no where close to shoot that far. I voted 45-70, lob that sucker in there no problem. I prefer 100 or less though.

[trails4u]

No love for the 71 and the 348 Winchester??

[dverna]

The only caliber I have is .30/30...so that was easy

[Savvy Jack]

No love for the 71 and the 348 Winchester??

The 348 doesnt have much of a trajectory? Might be nice to add it anyway for documentation

[stubshaft]

Just put a new receiver sight on my '94 30/30.

[Beaver Scout]

I might be game, does a wheelchair count as sitting, lol. I have quite a few calibers to choose from as well, just not sure if I can get to the range anytime soon though. What are the rules? IE how many shots and can I use more than one gun to do it with?

[Savvy Jack]

Something like this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit#gid=0

[trails4u]

The 348 doesnt have much of a trajectory? Might be nice to add it anyway for documentation

Well....it's 'brand new' to me so what you've shared about trajectory I really appreciate! It's been on my bucket list for a long time for reasons I haven't fully come to understand yet, just had to have one. Now I have one.... Haven't shot it yet, but do have dies, brass, bullets....just lacking time to make it happen. The bore is mirror-like with really sharp and deep rifling so if it doesn't shoot....well that's on me.

Long story short.....I'm in for a postal match! I'll be shooting a yet to be determined load, and probably using a williams fp-71 peep for a sight. Shooting from a bench with bags.

FWIW -- I don't expect to compete strongly....but I like the comradery of it!

[Savvy Jack]

I might be game, does a wheelchair count as sitting, lol. I have quite a few calibers to choose from as well, just not sure if I can get to the range anytime soon though. What are the rules? IE how many shots and can I use more than one gun to do it with?

I guess "sitting" is fine...maybe we can call it resting (bench rest) or no resting?

[Savvy Jack]

Well....it's 'brand new' to me so what you've shared about trajectory I really appreciate! It's been on my bucket list for a long time for reasons I haven't fully come to understand yet, just had to have one. Now I have one.... Haven't shot it yet, but do have dies, brass, bullets....just lacking time to make it happen. The bore is mirror-like with really sharp and deep rifling so if it doesn't shoot....well that's on me.

Long story short.....I'm in for a postal match! I'll be shooting a yet to be determined load, and probably using a williams fp-71 peep for a sight. Shooting from a bench with bags.

FWIW -- I don't expect to compete strongly....but I like the comradery of it!

Same here, not really into competing...just trying to gather some information and this is great stuff!!!

[trails4u]

Great stuff indeed! Our challenge, if you will, for deer camp in KY this year is to kill our deer with the most obscure rifle... Not points, not mass, not weight, not age.....nope, none of that matters. Hell....kill a young doe (which I actually prefer) BUT....the gauntlet has been laid, kill it as obscurely as you can. I think I'm going with the Werndl for the win!! :) (NOT a lever action, so admittedly fully off-topic.)

I like what you're doing with this challenge..... Let's bring out the old stuff and see what we can do!

[Savvy Jack]

I use iPhone app, Balistic X to get the numers

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[earlmck]

The bunch I shoot with here in Central Oregon does this shoot with pistol cartridge leverguns, which is why I went with the 38/40 for my choice of weapon. We shoot the 50 yard off-hand and the 100, 150, 200 sitting with cross-sticks. (Don't shoot at 75 yards). For the rifle cartridge leverguns we shoot 2, 3, 4, and 500 yards, also sitting with cross-sticks.

We haven't shot it yet because our range got closed down for fire danger but we are going to try a pistol-cartridge shoot at 3, 4, 5, and 600 yards. The receiver sight on the old 38/40 doesn't go high enough for that 600 yard critter so I filed a little notch in the top of the sight insert to use as an open sight which should get me the elevation to at least raise some dust at the 600 yard buffalo. We got an inch of rain yesterday so maybe the dang govm't will lower the fire danger level so we can have our September shoot in a couple weeks. Need to burn some powder!

[Beaver Scout]

I'd like to do it, just for fun, something I am in need of having. I have a 94 in 38-55 and a new 94AE in 444Marlin, 95 in 38-72 and an 86 in 40-82, all 3 might be options.

[Savvy Jack]

I'd like to do it, just for fun, something I am in need of having. I have a 94 in 38-55 and a new 94AE in 444Marlin, 95 in 38-72 and an 86 in 40-82, all 3 might be options.

Absolutely!!

[ascast]

This looks like fun, but I don't have the time. It is too close to deer season. My outdoor time will be soent on wood and other pre-winter stuff. that said, I am not sure wht were doing, but I would shoot either a 94 in 38-55 or 25-35 (too small?) or 303 Savage in a 99 or 32-40 in a 99. Maybe a 35 Rem. I'll be watching this.

[kens]

Break it up into cartridge types, IE. straightwall vs bottle neck
Definetly count the fouling shot, you have to if hunting.

[Savvy Jack]

Break it up into cartridge types, IE. straightwall vs bottle neck
Definetly count the fouling shot, you have to if hunting.

I am making up a score card on google docs. I am going to make it to where each shooter can access his own card and keep it current. If I can get some help by as many shooters as possible to keep up with his own information....we can extend this to as many categories as we want and make it fun for everyone.
The main thing I want to keep as the objective is

1. First shot always counts
2. All needs to directly relate to hunting.
Bench rests are allowed since we are kind of trying to document some important data

[salvadore]

my 32win. spec. would like to be included.

[Bazoo]

I’m not able to print or do computer stuff. I could however do something like, draw a target on a sheet of paper, shoot it, and mail it in. The target could be a standard piece of paper, with an X from corner to corner, so a target dot could be put in the center. Group could be measured for size and ties determined by the group center closest to the center of the paper.

The other shoots I’ve seen online has something like, two targets for score, with the best being chosen and sent in. Of course that’d have to include a cold bore first shot for each to simulate hunting.

My rifle will be a Winchester 94 in 30-30, iron sights, shooting cast 31141.

[jonp]

An Unlimited Class would be nice

[Savvy Jack]

my 32win. spec. would like to be included.

And it will be...THANKS!!

[Savvy Jack]

Don't hesitate to send me a PM if I overlooked one of your reply's.

[trails4u]

I'm excited.....although I fully expect to perform miserably! Got my first 20 rds. loaded tonight and brass prepped for an additional 20. Didn't have enough on hand of my powder of choice, but found reliable data for one that I do have enough to do meaningful testing, so that is what it is. A bit faster powder than I'd like, but should be workable at slightly lower velocities, which plays into this game well anyway.
We're supposed to 'lob' them, right? And ordered the peep I expect to shoot with. For those not following...it's a brand new to me Model 71 so I have absolutely no baseline to start from. This 'competition' will be my baseline....great fun!

[DDriller]

I guess my lever action .308 won't work.:(

[Savvy Jack]

'lob' them, right? And ordered the peep I expect to shoot with.

LOL, yeap...that's the idea.


For those not following...it's a brand new to me Model 71 so I have absolutely no baseline to start from. This 'competition' will be my baseline....great fun!
Definitely will be fun to follow!!!




I guess my lever action .308 won't work.:(
The 308 has such a flat trajectory, it is really far superior to the others...especially with a scope

[Savvy Jack]

These are probably my favorite. Shots 1 thru 10 at 100 yards 8-17-2019-2, and Shots 11 thru 40 at 100 yards 8-17-2019-3
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[Savvy Jack]

Updated the google docs score card page...still working on it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit#gid=0

[444ttd]

does a 35/30-30 count?



30+ shots(fireforming) using my win m94 in 35/30-30 and 20.0gr of 2400/tuft of dacron. this is when i used open sights.
https://i.imgur.com/hdpE6Qe.jpg

this is the same rifle/boolit but using williams fp aperture sight
https://i.imgur.com/nBFtFB6.jpg

[robertbank]

Seems to me there ought to be a .357MAG allowed into the mix. Thoughts? I'll go with it and my 30-30/

Take Care

Bob

[Savvy Jack]

does a 35/30-30 count?



30+ shots(fireforming) using my win m94 in 35/30-30 and 20.0gr of 2400/tuft of dacron. this is when i used open sights.
https://i.imgur.com/hdpE6Qe.jpg

this is the same rifle/boolit but using williams fp aperture sight
https://i.imgur.com/nBFtFB6.jpg

Heck yeah!!!!!

I need better pictures so I can score it with Ballistic X. I need a squared off photo WITH a one inch reference mark.
I need a date too


Like this (each small block is 1"). Just measure one inch and mark with a pen/pencil
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[Savvy Jack]

Seems to me there ought to be a .357MAG allowed into the mix. Thoughts? I'll go with it and my 30-30/

Take Care

Bob

:groner: I'll get that added since I made separate categories for most anyway. I see it on Winchester's ammo options for hunting with a soft point.

[Savvy Jack]

357 Magnum has been added. Still working on some range trajectories. This is only based on Winchester Super-X Hunting JSP loads with heaviest bullet.

[Gray Fox]

I've got a Browning 1895 in .30-06 with the replica side mount aperture sight. I load a Lee 220 RN GC to about 1900 fps, perhaps I'll shoot it with these ideas in mind just to see how it will do. Unfortunately, 150 yards is the longest I have available. Still, this should be a fun exercise. GF

[Savvy Jack]

I've got a Browning 1895 in .30-06 with the replica side mount aperture sight. I load a Lee 220 RN GC to about 1900 fps, perhaps I'll shoot it with these ideas in mind just to see how it will do. Unfortunately, 150 yards is the longest I have available. Still, this should be a fun exercise. GF

I can add it so we can keep up with it. I have split some things up into different categories and sub cats so we can get as many folks as we can that want to just shoot against themselves!!!

Click the tabs at the bottom of the document
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit#gid=1242120395

[Maven]

I have a Marlin #336 .45-70 with a 4x scope. I'd certainly be up for 50 or 100 yd. competition with either a Lee 405 HB CB or a ~465 gr. FPPB one [which I cast] from a LBT mould.

[Savvy Jack]

I have a Marlin #336 .45-70 with a 4x scope. I'd certainly be up for 50 or 100 yd. competition with either a Lee 405 HB CB or a ~465 gr. FPPB one [which I cast] from a LBT mould.

Got ya added to the list, just let me know which category. Right now I got ya added to the 45-70/scope/100/91-110. That means your scope is zeroed in at 100 yards and your "trajectory" is in the 91" to 110" inch drop range at 300 yards
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit#gid=0

[Savvy Jack]

Break it up into cartridge types, IE. straightwall vs bottle neck
Definetly count the fouling shot, you have to if hunting.

In case I forgot to reply already.

The categories are split based on bullet trajectory out to 300 yards, even if your scope is zeroed in at 50 yards.

Here is an example:

30-30 Winchester Model 94. Scope and will be zeroed in a 50 yards, your category is:

30-30/scope/50/30"-40".

30-30 = Cartridge
scope = scope used
50 = 50 yard zero (adjusting elevation for a different range puts you in a different category)
30"-40" = bullet trajectory out to 300 yards with scope dialed in at 50 yards.

30-30/peep-receiver/21"-30"

30-30 = Cartridge
Peep-Receiver = Peep sight mounted to receiver
21"-30" = Trajectory from 0-300 yards is in the range of +.90" from 0-50 yards and -27" from 51-300 yards

All trajectory categories are based on Winchester Super-X Deer Hunting Ammo with JSP type and heaviest bullet when available.

This can put several people with the same cartridge in several different categories based on the trajectory in that category.

[Savvy Jack]

For those that are interested but have yet to check out the google docs roster and categories, here is an example of the categories.

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I will try a .pdf upload


or this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit?usp=sharing

[Savvy Jack]

Had some fun with the 225 yard gong....well.....sort of! Lets just say it lived to fight another day.
Still good groups at 225 yards considering!!
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Video
https://www.full30.com/v/deadly-weird-hntKU

My shooting skills were lacking all day but I had fun and collected some data.

Not my best groups but...
The same 25.8gr of Reloder 7 in the Uberti Winchester 73'. Velocities increased slightly in this rifle, slightly slower in the Marlin. Longer AOL of 1.601"
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Open sights Marlin 1894CB (sticker still says Winchester 73)
25.8gr Reloder 7
1,308 fps Longer AOL of 1.601"
Not much room between 25.8gr and 26gr...especially with the seating depth and amount of crimp applied as can be seen in my results.
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Open sights, Marlin 1894CB
Whimpey loads but easy to shoot...however, to darn expensive now days...lol
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Shots after easing up on the amount of crimp applied with the Redding die to the 26gr of Reloder 7 charge. Velocity dropped slightly. Should also remove, which it did so far, a bit too much pressure. Should be back in line around 13,500 psi
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[robertbank]

Savvy Jack those are excellent results IMHO. With open sights.....well above my pay grade.

Take Care

Bob

[Savvy Jack]

I have to assume on some information because I do not know......


Category - Open Sights
Class - Basic, assuming "iron sights"
Sub-Class - 41-60

Assuming line 9 is 1"
Assuming (adjusting 12" with curvature of photo)
Assuming 35 shots

Should look something like this....I think...
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Should look like this...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY2XcUP-Z-h7oiuZh630IIckYN6kk_1hq93aT6wlCus/edit#gid=0

35/6.109/11.689

35 Shots/6.109" Groups/11.689 MOA

[Savvy Jack]

savvy jack those are excellent results imho. With open sights.....well above my pay grade.

Take care

bob

thanks!!!!!

[badwolf]

Where do you get those yellow targets savvy jack? They look like they work well with open sights.

[Savvy Jack]

Where do you get those yellow targets savvy jack? They look like they work well with open sights.

I made them. They work pretty good to 100 yards with open sights.

[Sixgun Symphony]

Yeap, food for thought.

Trying to stay with larger deer hunting cartridges with large trajectories BUT we could add 357 Magnum if needed.
Oh darn, leveractions

It works with 180gr cast bullets.

[Kosh75287]

Would .308 Winchester count? I'd probably end up using a Henry "Long Ranger". <shrug>

[robg]

3 ft drop with my 357 mag but stayed inside a 10 inch circle.

[Shawlerbrook]

Where my 356 Winchester ?

[Savvy Jack]

Where my 356 Winchester ?

where are your targets? :-)