Iowa 45-70 ubdate

[sac]

Looks like Iowa DNR kept the 45-70 and added alot more.

[lar45]

I couldn't read your copy, so I grabbed a larger one.
Looks like they omitted the older 50 cal cartridges. No 50-70 Rolling Blocks for you. Everything else seems reasonable though.
http://www.lsstuff.com/pics/iowa-regs-01.jpg

[Beerd]

I couldn't read your copy, so I grabbed a larger one.
Looks like they omitted the older 50 cal cartridges. No 50-70 Rolling Blocks for you.


lar45
"The following is a partial list ................ Cartridges meeting the criteria defined above are legal whether listed here or not".
I think your roller would be acceptable.
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[lar45]

Read the part about bullet diameter not larger than .500"
It still leaves them with plenty of options :)

[sac]

I couldn't read your copy, so I grabbed a larger one.
Looks like they omitted the older 50 cal cartridges. No 50-70 Rolling Blocks for you. Everything else seems reasonable though.
http://www.lsstuff.com/pics/iowa-regs-01.jpg

Thank you

[oldblinddog]

A .358 Winchester is legal but a .338 Federal is not? What is the logic here?

[trapper9260]

I say do not try to understand how they wrote the laws and all . I stick with my muzzle loader early season . I have the rifles and handguns to to hunt those seasons .

[gunseller]

It would be fun to use my custom 35 Whelen to shoot a deer. But I also like early muzzle loader.
Steve

[ChristopherO]

A .358 Winchester is legal but a .338 Federal is not? What is the logic here?

Because a 338 is not ".350 of an inch", which is the minimum diameter. The logic is that until very recently Iowa (as well as MI, OH, IN and a few other states) was a shotgun slug, handgun of .358"+ or muzzleloading with a minimum of .38" projectile allowable state only. That they finally opened up to Straight Walled cartridges was a huge Paradym shift in their Dept of Nature Resources way of thinking. These are fairly well populated states and having high velocity CF rifle bullets flying was too much for them to accept way back when the regulations were first implemented. Big, heavy, slow chunks of lead or copper that shotgun slugs are made out of drop out of the sky rather quickly and allow those who write the regulations to sleep peacefully at night. Thankfully, FINALLY, for those of us restricted to slug only have been freed up to use rifles in various forms with straight wall pistol calibers, along with various other straight wall cartridges, namely the 45/70, as a huge plus. That fact that Iowa went so far to include the 35 Whelen and a few other bottleneck rounds is even more encouraging. Wish Ohio would allow this, but I understand why they don't and am happy for the win and use my 45/70 with much satisfaction, with hand casted boolets at that.

I love to hunt where my bottleneck CF rifles are welcomed, but that isn't where I reside and make due with what I can use happily.

[popper]

So bottle neck cases are allowed.

[oldblinddog]

Because a 338 is not ".350 of an inch", which is the minimum diameter. The logic is that until very recently Iowa (as well as MI, OH, IN and a few other states) was a shotgun slug, handgun of .358"+ or muzzleloading with a minimum of .38" projectile allowable state only. That they finally opened up to Straight Walled cartridges was a huge Paradym shift in their Dept of Nature Resources way of thinking. These are fairly well populated states and having high velocity CF rifle bullets flying was too much for them to accept way back when the regulations were first implemented. Big, heavy, slow chunks of lead or copper that shotgun slugs are made out of drop out of the sky rather quickly and allow those who write the regulations to sleep peacefully at night. Thankfully, FINALLY, for those of us restricted to slug only have been freed up to use rifles in various forms with straight wall pistol calibers, along with various other straight wall cartridges, namely the 45/70, as a huge plus. That fact that Iowa went so far to include the 35 Whelen and a few other bottleneck rounds is even more encouraging. Wish Ohio would allow this, but I understand why they don't and am happy for the win and use my 45/70 with much satisfaction, with hand casted boolets at that.

I love to hunt where my bottleneck CF rifles are welcomed, but that isn't where I reside and make due with what I can use happily.

I get that. But that was not my point. My point is that there is no logic here. You explained it beautifully.

[PositiveCaster]

I get that. But that was not my point. My point is that there is no logic here...

Again, your “point” isn’t clear - does here mean the regulations, the Iowa board of game, this forum or what? Regardless, by limiting handgun bullet diameter to 0.350” they disallow the .32 H&R, .30 Mauser, 25 ACP etc. Seems to be good “logic” there (or here, whatever).




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[725]

Not that I'm headed your way, but no .38-55. Whaaaaat?

[trapper9260]

Because a 338 is not ".350 of an inch", which is the minimum diameter. The logic is that until very recently Iowa (as well as MI, OH, IN and a few other states) was a shotgun slug, handgun of .358"+ or muzzleloading with a minimum of .38" projectile allowable state only. That they finally opened up to Straight Walled cartridges was a huge Paradym shift in their Dept of Nature Resources way of thinking. These are fairly well populated states and having high velocity CF rifle bullets flying was too much for them to accept way back when the regulations were first implemented. Big, heavy, slow chunks of lead or copper that shotgun slugs are made out of drop out of the sky rather quickly and allow those who write the regulations to sleep peacefully at night. Thankfully, FINALLY, for those of us restricted to slug only have been freed up to use rifles in various forms with straight wall pistol calibers, along with various other straight wall cartridges, namely the 45/70, as a huge plus. That fact that Iowa went so far to include the 35 Whelen and a few other bottleneck rounds is even more encouraging. Wish Ohio would allow this, but I understand why they don't and am happy for the win and use my 45/70 with much satisfaction, with hand casted boolets at that.

I love to hunt where my bottleneck CF rifles are welcomed, but that isn't where I reside and make due with what I can use happily.

Thank you for explaining on how they made up the law on this I did not know .

[trapper9260]

Not that I'm headed your way, but no .38-55. Whaaaaat?

The way the law is wrote is that if the bullet is .350 to .500 and have 500 foot pounds or more can be use , if the .38-55 meet that you can use it .

[ChristopherO]

I wrote to the head of the ODND (Ohio's Dept of Natural Resources) well over 20 years ago, asking for regulation changes to allow pistol cartridges in rifles to be used to hunt deer. I was told that would not be a consideration for the ODNR to pursue. After many years of Shotgun slug development and Muzzleloaders using pistol bullets in sabots at much higher velocity without additional danger in the field it is a great boon for our type of states to adapt these straight wall regulations. Glad Iowa has progressed as far as they have. It will take a while for guys to completely understand how this works, but once figured out they will adapt quickly. Enjoy the new found freedom to use that particular rifle you've always wanted to tote to the woods.

[JDL]

The fact that .45/70 is allowed is golden. I've put more pounds of meat in the freezer using this round than any other. Only killed the first deer with factory jacketed because I had just got the rifle, deer season was open and my mold hadn't got in. That was 1976 and another jacketed has never been down the bore.:wink:

[waksupi]

I'd be plum tickled with the .358 Win.

[oldblinddog]

Again, your “point” isn’t clear - does here mean the regulations, the Iowa board of game, this forum or what? Regardless, by limiting handgun bullet diameter to 0.350” they disallow the .32 H&R, .30 Mauser, 25 ACP etc. Seems to be good “logic” there (or here, whatever).
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“Here” in my statement means the Iowa regulations and the people that made them. I’ve been to Iowa (and Ohio, for that matter) and it is no more densely populated than Texas, where we use the .243 Winchester (for instance) and all manner of other legal cartridges. Their reasoning behind restricting deer hunters to shotgun slugs from smoothbore barrels, which has now been changed to some other arbitrary standard, escapes me. In my example above the .358 Winchester and .338 Federal were chosen to illustrate the absurdity of the “rule”. I am certainly happy that the .358 Winchester is now allowed. It is apparently a great deer cartridge used successfully by many hunters. As for pistols/revolvers .350” is an adequate standard but should not, to my way of thinking, have any bearing on rifle cartridges.

I am not attempting to be argumentative or insulting in any way. If you or anyone else took my statement to mean that, then I am sorry. Please just ignore it.

[Tripplebeards]

Well, with the 35 whelen along with a 180 grain bullet that travels 2950 FPS plus out of the muzzle they might as well not have any firearm stipulations. I’ll definitely be using my 35 Whelen 7600 pump this year if I hunt Iowa.

[ChristopherO]

I can squirrel hunt, call coyotes and pop groundhogs with any CF rifle caliber, and have. What I've been told in past years is that the few partakers of those hunts aren't the concern, it is the 100's of thousands of deer hunters on opening day brandishing high power rifles that scares the hebbie jebbies out of the rule makers. Thus, the big, heavy, slow projectiles for all these years. Only they couldn't quite regulate the new and improved offerings coming out every year to stretch the rifle barreled 12 gauge or the inline Muzzleloader's reach across the corn field. As deer hunter numbers have decreased Game Commissions have thought up new ways to keep selling tags and encouraging folks to go afield with the lessoning of these restrictions.

[trapper9260]

I can squirrel hunt, call coyotes and pop groundhogs with any CF rifle caliber, and have. What I've been told in past years is that the few partakers of those hunts aren't the concern, it is the 100's of thousands of deer hunters on opening day brandishing high power rifles that scares the hebbie jebbies out of the rule makers. Thus, the big, heavy, slow projectiles for all these years. Only they couldn't quite regulate the new and improved offerings coming out every year to stretch the rifle barreled 12 gauge or the inline Muzzleloader's reach across the corn field. As deer hunter numbers have decreased Game Commissions have thought up new ways to keep selling tags and encouraging folks to go afield with the lessoning of these restrictions.

You so right it all about selling tags and trying to keep the deer amount in check. Also the insurance companies complain about the amount of deer hit with autos and need to pay up on it. One year for the 1st shotgun season it was bad weather and the amount of deer that was harvest was down so they had it that who was not able to fill their permit on the 1st season that they are able to use it for the 2nd season .

[Brett Ross]

I'm happy they did not remove the rifle I have used since they allowed straight walls, 45-70, it just kills. I am amazed the .35 Whelen made the list. If I were a younger man I would put one together using an old sported 98 Mauser I have sitting around. The way it is, what I have works and not sure how much longer I will be hunting.

[Tripplebeards]

I was asked to deer hunt Iowa again this year but with a $433 price tag for out of state I’ll pass. I have just as big of deer on my property here in WI. I have a savage 220, NIB gun site scout 450 BM, and 35 Whelen for Iowa. Think I might thin the heard.

[white eagle]

A .358 Winchester is legal but a .338 Federal is not? What is the logic here?

a a lot of other cartridges base on that case also the 35 Whelen and all its off spring.
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