30-06 load data help

[lead slead]

Just started reloading for my 06. I have some H414 powder and Hornady 110gr FMJ bullets. I was mainly looking at just a plinking load to see how it works out. Heres the problem. The Hodgdon website doesn't have 110gr fmj bullets listed only the 110sp bullet. I can handle that by using a reduced load no problem. However the col that they show is like 3.17 and at that length you can't even set the bullet on the brass and get 3.17 length. Lee info shows min oal at about 3.17 and my speer book with a similar (speer) fmj bullet shows their test length at about 2.95. I didn't know if someone had experience with the OAL for the 110gr fmj Hornady bullet. I would like to know what oal for this bullet has shot for them.

[yondering]

I've loaded these, but it was a long time ago and I don't have that load data anymore, sorry. I can tell you that the Sierra HP bullets are much longer, so that can account for the length difference.

Also, H414 isn't really a good choice for reduced loads. I've used 60gr under a 125gr TNT bullet; I wouldn't go any lighter than that for a 110gr bullet.

For a reduced load, I've had good success with Green Dot (I use 90gr XTP and 100gr half jacket bullets for this), but Unique, Bullseye, or other flake pistol powders would work well too.

[NickSS]

I have not used FMJ 110 gr bullets in a 30-06 but have fired many hundreds of 115 gr lead flat point bullets using about 6 gr of Red Dot powder for a plinking and small game load. As these loads were no where near max they should work with the FMJ 110 gr bullet with no problems

[missionary5155]

Good morning and WElCOME to these here parts...
Many years ago I tried this bullet in my CZ 30-06 and it is the only bullet I could not get to shoot acurately. The lightest J thang my CZ will shoot are the 125´s.
Do you not have any other powders available ???
God Bless you !

[lead slead]

I have some pistol powder. Power pistol and Titegroup. I mainly use that for my S&W40 loads and 12ga skeet loads with the titegroup. The load data from hodgdon show a 110gr hornady spire at about 57-58grains of 414 start load. But because this is a different bullet I am sure loads would change. MY Speer book shows a 110gr speer fmj that the oal was about 2.95 but no load data listed for h414 and it may be a different bullet length all together. If I load it to 3.0-3.07 there is really only about 1/8inch of bullet in the case neck and that doesn't seem like enough to me. Does anyone have a hornady book they could check this? I have emailed hornady and I am waiting for a response from them as well.

[jonk]

I've not fired that particular bullet but have fired the 110 gr spire points. (Incidentally I've also fired them in single loading in my carbine.....MUCH more accurate than the RN but won't feed in the mags). So I can't comment on accuracy but can say that using WC 852- in the same ball park as the 414- even 60 grains was fairly mild. Oh it went boom but there was still unburnt powder.

You can try it sure but I'm wondering how well it will work.

[bearmn56]

Lead Slead,
It is nice to be able to use what one has. That said, there are some powder/bullet combinations that just don't work out as well as one would like. H414 is a powder that likes high loading density (powder fills most of the case) and resistance...like bullet weights 150gr and up in the '06. It also, in my experience, likes magnum type primers. There is one published load for the 110gr bullet and H414 in LEE's new manual. The list a maximum load of 62.5gr with a starting load of 57.0gr. Don't worry too much about the OAL as most data is for a spire point bullet that is longer overall than the 110gr RN (you probably have some bullets that were originally for the .30 Carbine). In any case, they will work fine with no safety/pressure problems that might be seen in heavy bullets by changing the seating depth. Just seat them into the case so they have good bullet depth seated into the case...at least 1/10th inch. The bullets will probably have a pretty good jump to the rifling, depending on your leade/throat. This may or may not affect accuracy. As one other poster noted, this combination may leave a dirty bore with unburned powder evident.
Try it and see,
Good Shooting,
Bearmn56
Montana Territory

[Larry Gibson]

Lead Slead

As mentioned, H414 is a very poor choice for loading those 110 gr bullets in your '06. It will give very poor performance and with reduced loads could prove dangerous (possible scenario for a SEE. That means it could blow up or seriously damge your rifle).

For "plinking" loads try 29 gr of 4227. That will get you 2200+ fps. Or try 23 gr of 4759 which will get you 1900+ fps. Both of those loads shoot well for me with 110 gr bullets in an '06.

Be vary careful not to double charge the cases.

Don't worry about the OAL. Seat them so you have at least 1/2 caliber (.154") of the bullet in the case neck.

Larry Gibson

[lead slead]

Thanks everyone for their replies. I knew the 414 wouldn't be ideal for this bullet I mainly had that powder for 150gr loads but thought I may see how it goes. I loaded up about 10 I am going to try out hopefully later in the week if it gets over 20 degrees. In the future I think I will get some 4759 it sounds more like the load I am looking for....Thanks again

[vwamradio]

lead slead how did these bullets work for you? I have a couple hundred to load up, and was curious how they did.
Vince

[Dean D.]

Lead Sled, Phil Sharpe's book lists many loads for a 110 "MC" bullet. He lists a seating depth of .171 and lists Unique (15.0 gr @ 1960 fps (22k pressure) and 19.8gr @ 2320fps (40k pressure). He also lists loads for 2400 - 22.0gr @ 2160fps (22k pressure) and 29.0gr @ 2600fps (40k pressure)

All of the rest of the loads list powders that I am not sure is still available like HiVel1 &2, Lightning and Sharpshooter.

Old Phil has never steered me wrong yet, the data is way outdated but I have never found any problems loading modern powders as he lists them.

[Will]

Lee lists 110gr with 57gr to 62.5gr of 414 vel is 3044 to 3268

[Dark Helmet]

Hornady 7th says 3.015 OAL

3031 53.5 max
2520 55.5 "
H4895 56.1 "
2495 55.9 "
Varget 58.9 "
4064 58.0 "

Above showing 3400 fps
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N-140 56.8 max
N-150 57.2 "
RL15 57.2 "

Above showing 3300 fps
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[shotman]

I thought you said plinking load . Thats a lot of waste of powder the 2400 and unique is what I used I set the bullet at about what it sets in the 30 carbine[1/3] or so. I never got real good satisfaction with them.

[Larry Gibson]

I thought you said plinking load . Thats a lot of waste of powder the 2400 and unique is what I used I set the bullet at about what it sets in the 30 carbine[1/3] or so. I never got real good satisfaction with them.

Apparently some have a different definition of "plinking" than you or I do:roll:

Larry Gibson

[TAWILDCATT]

I have a "plinking load"13 gr of red dot and LEEs 312-160 or lymans 311291.gets 1680fts.and 1" groups at 100 yrds.and its good enuf for deer.:coffee: [smilie=1:
or get one of the adapters that shoot 32acp/32 S&W.hardly any noise:coffee:
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