taurus ultra lite shoots low

[Ballester molina]

Hello guys, I greet you from Argentina. I tested a load yesterday with my taurus 2". I am using the LEE-358-105 and 4.2 grain from win 231. and surprisingly for me the impacts were 15cm low. could it be because of the weight of the boolit?

[358429]

Yes try a bullet 155 grain or heavier

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[Der Gebirgsjager]

I agree. 158 gr. is sort of the .38 Special standard, and your pistol's sights are probably calibrated for that weight.

DG

[Ballester molina]

Thank you very much, I am considering purchasing a LEE-358-158 RF mold. What is your opinion on that mold?

[Der Gebirgsjager]

I have one, and it is a good mold, as most Lee molds are. It's fine for target practice, although a wadcutter design makes nicer holes. I would not recommend it for personal defense or hunting.

DG


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[Jim22]

Hello guys, I greet you from Argentina. I tested a load yesterday with my taurus 2". I am using the LEE-358-105 and 4.2 grain from win 231. and surprisingly for me the impacts were 15cm low. could it be because of the weight of the boolit?

I gree with the others about boolit weight. A donde vive in Argentina? Me professora de espanol nace en Mendoza, Mendoza.

[358429]

It is a good bullet-mould to learn how to shoot and reload and cast for that revolver.

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[Poygan]

I have around 10 Lee molds and that is my favorite!

[poppy42]

Greetings! I know this is a little like comparing apples and oranges, but light bullets out of the 38 special are possible. At least out of my 4 inch model tan Smith and Wesson. I wanted a light load to break my wife into pistol shooting and I managed to find a Lyman 358345 swc. It lists at 113 grains but with my alloy in this mold there more like 110 grain. It took a little work but I wound up with a couple of pounds of SR 7625 powder and I worked a load down to 3.2 grains. I got a Tell you it’s a real hoot to shoot! And at that load it’s got the report and the recoil not much more than a 22 Long rifle. I need 15 yards I’m talking about the same whole accuracy. I know 7625 is no longer manufactured and have no idea what’s available to you in Argentina. But if you’re looking for a light plinking load for a 38, try looking through some older manuals at different powders. When I first started out with this bullet I was definitely not happy with the results with hotter loads. Like I initially said I realize the Smith and Wesson isn’t a Taurus and there is a difference between 105 grain and 110 grain. But if you feel like putting the time in and have other powders available to you you might just be surprised changing things around a little bit. If your plans are using this for a self-defense round I would definitely go as others and said it someplace between 150 and 158 grain boollet weight. Lee has 158 grain round nose boolet that I’ve had good results with. Hope any of this helps.

[Ballester molina]

I have one, and it is a good mold, as most Lee molds are. It's fine for target practice, although a wadcutter design makes nicer holes. I would not recommend it for personal defense or hunting.

DG


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He hadn't paid attention to the photo of the gun. is ballester molina or ballester rigaud?

[Ballester molina]

I gree with the others about boolit weight. A donde vive in Argentina? Me professora de espanol nace en Mendoza, Mendoza.
Hi Jim 22, I'm from a town called Trenque Lauquen 700 kilometers from Mendoza or maybe less

[Ballester molina]

Poppy here in Argentina we do not have much availability of molds and powder machines. you get some lyman and we have a LEE importer

[Der Gebirgsjager]

This one is a Molina, but I also have a Rigaud. I thought you might like to see one because of your forum user name. It has nothing at all to do with your question.......:-D

DG

[Ballester molina]

DG[/QUOTE]

It makes me very happy to know that you have a weapon manufactured in my country in times of glory of the national armory industry

[downzero]

At what distance?

[Ballester molina]

At what distance?
from 7 meters to 18 meters the shots go to the same place. 15 centimeters down

[358429]

I think that if you modified your sight alignment (rise the front above the rear

in such a way that the bullets were to) strike the center of a 9-inch paper plate at a distance of 15 yards,

then you could maybe take very fine paint brush and paint a line across the front site

showing where do you want it to line up in the rear, in the future you could repeat the shooting

just by lining it up (the mark on the front site with the outline rear sight.)

9 inch=228 milimeter

15 yards=13.7 meter

15 centimeters=5.9 inch

If your front site has serrations this process can be extremely precise.

You'll find that different bullet weights, powder charge weights and sometimes

powder type can make a big difference in elevation and sometimes windage at different shooting distances using small fixed sighted revolvers. I am assuming your revolver has fixed sights machined into the top strap and something in the front.

If you are using a Trijicon RMR then I would say adjust the sights[emoji41]

If you tell us specifically what type of revolver you have and and its condition I'm sure that we can recommend some good target loads bearing in mind what you may have available in Argentina.

The good news is 231 is an excellent Target powder for ultra light guns.

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[Texas by God]

The Lee 105gr is a great little bullet. I use it in .38 Special and 9mm. My fixed sight 4" M&P M10 prints low with it as well, so I use it in our M15 and M67 with their adjustable sights. I like 5grs Bullseye- peppy but light recoil.
358429- great pics and advice! I've used bright nail polish on the front ramp down low for low shooting guns.
And another salute to Argentina and the OP[emoji846] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210804/c6ff7907225c916df61e960c1492d298.jpg

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[Ballester molina]

I think that if you modified your sight alignment (rise the front above the rear

in such a way that the bullets were to) strike the center of a 9-inch paper plate at a distance of 15 yards,

then you could maybe take very fine paint brush and paint a line across the front site

showing where do you want it to line up in the rear, in the future you could repeat the shooting

just by lining it up (the mark on the front site with the outline rear sight.)

9 inch=228 milimeter

15 yards=13.7 meter

15 centimeters=5.9 inch

If your front site has serrations this process can be extremely precise.

You'll find that different bullet weights, powder charge weights and sometimes

powder type can make a big difference in elevation and sometimes windage at different shooting distances using small fixed sighted revolvers. I am assuming your revolver has fixed sights machined into the top strap and something in the front.

If you are using a Trijicon RMR then I would say adjust the sights[emoji41]

If you tell us specifically what type of revolver you have and and its condition I'm sure that we can recommend some good target loads bearing in mind what you may have available in Argentina.

The good news is 231 is an excellent Target powder for ultra light guns.

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the revolver is a taurus 85 ultralite, its condition is excellent, with a load of 4.2 grains of w 231 it has an extraordinary precision. Regarding the sights, I do what you say, I raise the front sight.

[Ballester molina]

The Lee 105gr is a great little bullet. I use it in .38 Special and 9mm. My fixed sight 4" M&P M10 prints low with it as well, so I use it in our M15 and M67 with their adjustable sights. I like 5grs Bullseye- peppy but light recoil.
358429- great pics and advice! I've used bright nail polish on the front ramp down low for low shooting guns.
And another salute to Argentina and the OP[emoji846] https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210804/c6ff7907225c916df61e960c1492d298.jpg

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I also use it on my 9mm with excellent results. and in the taurus it groups very well but deviated. beautiful HAFDASA by the way.

[Ballester molina]

acquired a LEE 358 158 rf mold and a LEE TL 358 158 swc.

[358429]

acquired a LEE 358 158 rf mold and a LEE TL 358 158 swc.Excitedly awaiting the shooting range story. [emoji41]

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[Photog]

yeah, my Taurus 856UL shoots SUPER low with 125gr boolits, and just kinda low with 158gr SWCs. But I will live with it as it was made to carry, not to shoot much. It is fine at 5 yards in double action. Its weird but I shoot it lower in Single action.

[358429]

yeah, my Taurus 856UL shoots SUPER low with 125gr boolits, and just kinda low with 158gr SWCs. But I will live with it as it was made to carry, not to shoot much. It is fine at 5 yards in double action. Its weird but I shoot it lower in Single action.Have you tried 170 grain semiwadcutters in that gun?

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[Photog]

Nope. I don't have a mold for heavier than 164gr (Lee TL358 158SWC). Really haven't tried to find a great load for it, it goes bang and at 5 yds I can hit a IPSC target.

A lot of the issue is that its real easy to pull the gun off target, and anything but perfect trigger control makes for a miss.

[Ballester molina]

next week the mold arrives. I'm going to put together some test loads and tell how it went. the boolit LEE 358-158-rf can be lubricated with LLA?

[358429]

.

A lot of the issue is that its real easy to pull the gun off target, and anything but perfect trigger control makes for a miss.

And that is why shooting small handguns skillfully is so incredibly rewarding

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[358429]

next week the mold arrives. I'm going to put together some test loads and tell how it went. the boolit LEE 358-158-rf can be lubricated with LLA?I did not know anything about Lee liquid alox so sorry.


If that bullet is powder coated and loaded in 357 Magnum it is very powerful..

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[Texas by God]

Yes, LLA will work on the non -Tumble Lube design bullets, too.

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[Ballester molina]

Yes, LLA will work on the non -Tumble Lube design bullets, too.

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perfect because I have LLA and the LEE die sizing .358

[Castaway]

The lighter bullet may be the culprit, but anytime I hear someone is shooting low, especially in a light handgun, I’d look at shooting technique first. You probably did, but in case not, rest the pistol solidly and fire a group. Dipping the barrel downwards in anticipation of recoil happens to the best of us and tends to be aggravated in a light pistol. Please post when you’ve sorted out the problem.

[mr surveyor]

Not to sidetrack the intent of the thread, but the mention of the LEE 358-158 RF mold grabbed my attention. I didn't start reloading until 2011, fairly late in life, and an older buddy started shortly thereafter. He went all out and decided to try his hand at casting as well, and started with a 125 gr LEE mold. I ended up buying him a 6 cavity 358-158 RF mold and obtained a bit of "extra" lead in hopes of trying that boolit. After trying dozens of different commercial cast boolits, absolutely none can compete with the (usually inferior cast) 358-158 RF boolits I used to get from him. Looking back through the archives, that mold has had high marks for many years, and I can't understand why there's NO commercial source for that boolit.

Back on topic .... that would be by far my recommendation to cure the issue at hand.

Yeah, I'm old, a re-loading rookie, half dain braimaged .... but I don't smell (too) bad :)


jd