30 caliber problem

[358429]

I would appreciate you rifle shooters informed suggestions, for a plain based rifle bullet mold.

I am eyeballing the mp molds 311-410 hollow point mold.

In a perfect world it would be easy to cast, easy to load, clean shooting and accurate in multiple rifles with multiple powders, and compatible with powder coating.

*smiling*
I think this is doable.

I would be happy with a ten shot group that could be covered with a quarter.

I would be very happy with dime groups.

My H&Rshoots dime groups using PMC ball.

My range only goes to fifty yards.

I have 3, one quart freezer bags filled to bursting with hundreds of mixed

headstamp 308 Winchester brass,

that I have been loading and shooting for the browning;

Fired casings wet tumbled, full length sized/deprimed, trimmed/deburred/chamfered, tumbled again in pins, dried in an oven, then bagged.

Don't try to talk me out of this.

Except for better ideas. I am open to ideas.

I've got several pounds of IMR3031 and IMR4227. Small amount of varget, and some 4895.

The 170 flat nose lee bullet without gas checks gave ok results with the Browning BLR, 20x4227 and 30x3031 both shot well.

I have a hard time with the awful trigger, uncomfortable for me stocks, and poor sights on the browning.

I really like that specific browning rifle, it is not for sale.

That being said, my example is a terrible target rifle.

With the greatest sadness I must say that the H&R single shot rifle does not like the

lee bullets, the way I loaded the cartridges, at all.

(But I liked the H&R enough to buy it last month, I like how that rifle feels in my hands and shoulder)

(Heavy barrel with scope base, no iron sights)
(My mistake for picking the thing up haha!)

(I am considering replacing the 3-9x scope on the single shot rifle, with a sig sauer romeo 5 sight, the idea makes me happy...)

(maybe I will not like a electronic sight single shot 308 Win rifle, only one way to know I suppose)


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[Bad Ass Wallace]

My 30 cal cast boolit shooter is a Springfield A3 30.06 fitted with a 4 groove Remington barrel (4/44) and fitted with a 12X Leupold scope. Took over 600 rounds of benchrest shooting to achieve not one but two 10 shot MOA groups in the same day. My boolit is Lyman 311284 (210gn) sized to 0.310" gas checked and backed by 31.5gn of IMR 3031.

3031 powder is perfect for 30cal cartridges (including 308), and is proving excellent in both 7mm and 8mm Mausers.

https://i.imgur.com/SabiU6D.jpg

[358429]

This is the bullet I keep looking at.

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[358429]

My 30 cal cast boolit shooter is a Springfield A3 30.06 fitted with a 4 groove Remington barrel (4/44) and fitted with a 12X Leupold scope. Took over 600 rounds of benchrest shooting to achieve not one but two 10 shot MOA groups in the same day. My boolit is Lyman 311284 (210gn) sized to 0.310" gas checked and backed by 31.5gn of IMR 3031.

3031 powder is perfect for 30cal cartridges (including 308), and is proving excellent in both 7mm and 8mm Mausers.

https://i.imgur.com/SabiU6D.jpgNice results on the target. I intend to load for, and shoot my rifles until I find a combination of components that works well. Are you lubrisizing or powdercoating? Or something else?

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[Winger Ed.]

As far as .30 molds go:

Any of the tried & true designs that have been around for almost 100 years will do a good job for ya.
That may have something to do with why there are popular and still in production
I've got a 169 or 170 RN RCBS I originally got for a .30-30.
In the .30-30 or .308 Win, even a couple of .30-06s, I'd feel guilty if I asked it to do better.

And there are many others just as good.
For short range paper punching, I'd tend to go on the middle or lighter side of what's out there.

I'd also check into other powders folks have had good results with.
After reading up on it, seeing good things about it, I've drifted over to Red Dot,
and 'The Load' with its 'medium-ish' speeds for 100 yard targets to practice with .308 & .30-06.

I ain't Quigley, but I'm happy with it.

[MT Gianni]

I have an older BLR in 308. It shoots the Lee 113 fp well so yours should do OK with the MP mold.

[358429]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Half of me wants badly to get the mp mold and make it work,

my dark half whispers to get half a thousand hornady boat tail jacketed bullets

Either way I get to assemble ammo and shoot.

I'm considering doing both[emoji3][emoji3]

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[Bad Ass Wallace]

Take coupious notes so when you run out of options you may find that you've tried it all before.

[Land Owner]

I would be happy with a ten shot group that could be covered with a quarter.

I would be very happy with dime groups.

WOULDN'T WE ALL!



Browning BLR

H&R single shot rifle


Which? Both?

Take your time. Don't rush. It is a LIFETIME hobby and some rifles seem to take full advantage of that timeline.

If one really likes jacketed bullets, feed it jacketed bullets. There is no harm or foul in that.

If you just plain want to shoot lead and have a "Jones" to shoot lead, then by all means take measurements in your rifle throat, chamber, and barrel then decide the boolit shape that "floats your boat", because confidence in one's equipment and ability is defined first in what attracts YOU to those components.

Whether the components can be "bang fit" in your rifles to achieve your goal will be defined in your "stick-to-it-ive-ness" to try different combinations.

Doing some WHAT IF math for 308 caliber, 0.311" dia. lead, MP mold:
135 gran solid
129 grain HP
126 gr. HP

Lyman 4th Ed (130 gr. boolit):
6 powders (potentially), 11.0 gr. to 26.5 gr. (min. to max. range)
in 0.10 gr. increments, (26.5 - 11) * 10 = 155 loads

GIVEN:
6 powders
155 loads
2 rifles
3 boolits

(6 * 155 * 2 * 3) equals 5,580 combinations. Enjoy the shooting! YMMV...

[richhodg66]

I have been playing with plain based in a .308 target rifle and a .30-06 I shoot exclusively cast in.

I have gotten good accurcay out of plain based version of the 311284 in the '06 and with plain based version of the XCB bullet in the .308. You have to be pretty meticulous about base fill out and I found that you really need to keep speeds low or you'll get leading. Like 1100-1200 FPS. At those speeds, my scope ran out of up adjustment before I got to point of aim at 100 yards, so I want to pursue this much more, I'll have to figure out how to shim things up a little.

I think this would be great in milsurps with battle sights that adjust to ridiculous ranges like most do. That should eliminate the problem of running out of up adjustment for the low speed stuff.

[JoeJames]

I have been playing with plain based in a .308 target rifle and a .30-06 I shoot exclusively cast in.

I have gotten good accurcay out of plain based version of the 311284 in the '06 and with plain based version of the XCB bullet in the .308. You have to be pretty meticulous about base fill out and I found that you really need to keep speeds low or you'll get leading. Like 1100-1200 FPS. At those speeds, my scope ran out of up adjustment before I got to point of aim at 100 yards, so I want to pursue this much more, I'll have to figure out how to shim things up a little.

I think this would be great in milsurps with battle sights that adjust to ridiculous ranges like most do. That should eliminate the problem of running out of up adjustment for the low speed stuff.Excellent advice. If I remember right the battle sight on an 03 was something like 450 yards. I am sure someone will come up with an exact figure for the battle sight range. May have to just dig into Hatcher's Notebook.

[starnbar]

What twist are you running? That can sometimes be an issue I have one that according to the twist rate should handle heavy lead really good but anything over 150 grain with a bunch of different powder tries it just wont shoot.

[popper]

I use a 31-168A & C in my 30 cal and a 145gr PB version of same, 300 BO and AR10. Works fine. PC or BLL. HP are NOT easy to cast. Large lube groove is NOT needed. None of mine have a crimp groove. I use mostly LC brass but some mixed 308W. Other than the grooves, that bullet looks fine. All of the powders you have work fine.

[FredBuddy]

I made a Lee 150 fp mould into a
plain base. I also have the NOE 165 RD
with a plain base. I powder coat these.
So far, both are shooting well in 3 different
30-30's at about 1800 fps. In a couple of
more years of testing i might be able to
come to some conclusions !!!

[358429]

Take coupious notes so when you run out of options you may find that you've tried it all before.Run out of options!!? Is that possible?[emoji3]

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[358429]

WOULDN'T WE ALL!



Which? Both?

Take your time. Don't rush. It is a LIFETIME hobby and some rifles seem to take full advantage of that timeline.

If one really likes jacketed bullets, feed it jacketed bullets. There is no harm or foul in that.

If you just plain want to shoot lead and have a "Jones" to shoot lead, then by all means take measurements in your rifle throat, chamber, and barrel then decide the boolit shape that "floats your boat", because confidence in one's equipment and ability is defined first in what attracts YOU to those components.

Whether the components can be "bang fit" in your rifles to achieve your goal will be defined in your "stick-to-it-ive-ness" to try different combinations.

Doing some WHAT IF math for 308 caliber, 0.311" dia. lead, MP mold:
135 gran solid
129 grain HP
126 gr. HP

Lyman 4th Ed (130 gr. boolit):
6 powders (potentially), 11.0 gr. to 26.5 gr. (min. to max. range)
in 0.10 gr. increments, (26.5 - 11) * 10 = 155 loads

GIVEN:
6 powders
155 loads
2 rifles
3 boolits

(6 * 155 * 2 * 3) equals 5,580 combinations. Enjoy the shooting! YMMV...There is no rush, I am the hobby shooter caster loader. I call it percussive or concussion therapy when the loads get tested.

I think I like casting more than shooting and reloading oh, it is like the big recycling triangle and I get to practice with my guns.

Im interested in the power range between 900-2000 foot per second velocity, i think thats doable.

It would be icing on the cake if the useful velocity range was wider than that!

I suspect 4227 may be useful on the top end, and 3031 may be too slow. Only one way to know.

Unfortunately somehow I have misplaced my cast bullet handbook number four and the past week, I will have to replace it if someone walked off with it.

Of course, as soon as the new one is delivered then I'll find the old one!![emoji848]

I've never done bullets this light in 308. I want to do this one because I want to.[emoji1787] I like the way the bullet looks I want to mold and make copies of it.

I can just imagine how smooth it will feed from the Browning magazine, racking the lever, sight on target Bang! That gun is fun for SNAP shooting.

With the handi-rifle 308 single-shot rifle I suspect that the rifling may be rough and the quality control may not be exactly what I'm used to. That leaves these funny chatter marks on the primers when the gun is fired, that match up exactly with poor Machining where are the case head sets.

Yeah yeah yeah I should have done a better job inspecting it. May have been a mistake to shoulder the rifle. I think it'll all work out just fine.

If everything works then I may be shooting golf ball-sized groups standing off hand at 50 yards with a new bullet.

I have done that several times with the Browning using the lee lead bullet, I'm not even sure how, front site covers the target too much, the size of a grapefruit at that distance.

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[358429]

I have been playing with plain based in a .308 target rifle and a .30-06 I shoot exclusively cast in.

I have gotten good accurcay out of plain based version of the 311284 in the '06 and with plain based version of the XCB bullet in the .308. You have to be pretty meticulous about base fill out and I found that you really need to keep speeds low or you'll get leading. Like 1100-1200 FPS. At those speeds, my scope ran out of up adjustment before I got to point of aim at 100 yards, so I want to pursue this much more, I'll have to figure out how to shim things up a little.

I think this would be great in milsurps with battle sights that adjust to ridiculous ranges like most do. That should eliminate the problem of running out of up adjustment for the low speed stuff.I have seen in a gunsmith shop, adjustable scope bases that are adjustable up and down 20-40 Moa. Look kind of like a ramp with set screws . He told me that's for those guys who shoot things over a mile away. I wonder if that's what you need, zero your rifle at distance.

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[358429]

What twist are you running? That can sometimes be an issue I have one that according to the twist rate should handle heavy lead really good but anything over 150 grain with a bunch of different powder tries it just wont shoot.Which Rifle and bullet and powder combinations did not work so well for you? Sometimes a gun is just cantankerous. As far as the rate of barrel rifling twist, I don't know.

I powder coat the bullets, try a couple different powder charges that are conservative, shoot at a big Target, if it's accurate and doesn't lead get a smaller Target, I like to shoot at paper plates they're cheap and easy for my eyes to see.

And the Browning I got up to 32 grains of 3031 the lee 170 sans gas check before start depositing lead in the barrel and the group start to open up.

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[358429]

I use a 31-168A & C in my 30 cal and a 145gr PB version of same, 300 BO and AR10. Works fine. PC or BLL. HP are NOT easy to cast. Large lube groove is NOT needed. None of mine have a crimp groove. I use mostly LC brass but some mixed 308W. Other than the grooves, that bullet looks fine. All of the powders you have work fine.Yeah I'm not sure why that bullet has a crimp groove either looks like a strange revolver bullet or something else maybe??. I'll be powder coating, I'm not sure if lube grooves matter or not.

Could you tell more about the 145gr PB?

Yes the learning process for hollow points is steep. I ladle cast with a turkey fryer, gives me good results, I can't wait for the humidity to back off so I can cast. If it'll stop raining this morning would be great for it[emoji3].

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[358429]

I made a Lee 150 fp mould into a
plain base. I also have the NOE 165 RD
with a plain base. I powder coat these.
So far, both are shooting well in 3 different
30-30's at about 1800 fps. In a couple of
more years of testing i might be able to
come to some conclusions !!!I'm also thinking about getting into 30 30 at some point. Buddy has a nice 336 I'm sure that if I make the ammo can shoot it as much as I want, probably buy one for myself it's a nice rifle .

Maybe these bullets have crimp grooves so that they can be used in tube magazine-fed marlins and winchester's??

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[pergoman]

To gain elevation (or even windage for out of line holes) the Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts are a great way to gain what you need. I have these on a bunch of guns and have never had a reason to complain. All kinds of combinations are possible and as an added bonus, they don't mar your scope.

[Alferd Packer]

If your range is limited to 50 yes, I would get a pound of the fast shotgun or pistol powders such as Bullseye or Red Dot or Clays.
Then I would load those cast bullets over 5 grains of powder and have fun shooting them.
You can get small groups depending on how steady you can hold your rifle.

[358429]

I've only got a couple of ounces of red dot, Trail Boss. I really miss my chance a number of years ago Gander Mountain in Woodbridge Virginia was getting out of the business of selling reloading components. They had maybe 5x8 lb jugs red dot and promo for 70$ each, 4 lb jugs of power pistol $75, mountain of primers for rifle. I suppose it's water under the bridge[emoji85].

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[358429]

I think I can start the powder charge work up with the lighter bullet at 20 grains 4227, find a good grouping load, then start with the hand press mass production[emoji3]

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[barrabruce]

I have that mould and when you get into the rhythm they just fall out of the mould easily.
Work O.k in my gun but the nose is a little small. Well I should say my bore is a little big for the mould but easily gets 1" groups at 50 yards.
Keeping it for a new barrel.
I use the 308403 pope bullet a lot as I’m too lazy to load at home and I’m having fun with 4-6 grains of bulleye.
The main thing is to do a chamber cast and find out what will fit in you gun.
The Lee 150 and 170 shoot well .
If you want to go light the Lee soup can works well with a pinch of bulleye for subsonic small game loads.
Ye olde 32-20 or rook and rabbit type loads.
Very quiet ,accurate , frugal on powder and lead and above all CHEAP
Can be quite nutritional as well when things for the pot are hanging around.

[358429]

I've done a lot of 38 Special shooting with my bolt-action 77 357 using 90-170 grain bullets and three grains of red dot.

I feel safe during this with that rifle, 38 Special most definitely is retained in the chamber by the rim on the cartridge case.

I've never had a fail to fire in 38 Special and some of that brass I have reloaded it 30 times or more.

Some of my 357 brass I have reloaded so many times that the writing on the headstamp is disappearing...[emoji3]

With 308 winchester gallery loads, am I going to have my cases get shorter from the firing pin smacking the casing forward, shoulder of the casing into to the shoulder of the chamber?

There definitely is a difference in resizing effort and amount of material removed from trimming, between the IMR 4227 and IMR3031 loads, then those two versus 308 factory ammunition.

I'm pretty set on getting that mold. When I pull the trigger on it I'm going to start practice casting it making sure all the bugs are worked out. Going to sort matched headstamp 308 casings, shoot and reload maybe the same fifty casings and find out for myself if this is even a problem.

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[barrabruce]

You can always drill out the primer pockets in some rimless cases which is supposed to stop excess headspace in mouse fart loads.
But you wouldn’t want to mix them up with full house load brass.
I don’t powder coat but I believe plain base cast can be pushed hard.
Have you thought of paper patching?
It’s just I see Pb bullets as a slow velocity bullet up to 13-1400fps tops if you are lucky.

Trail boss is a high pressure powder.
But it costs about 2x as much when it all works out.

[358429]

I wonder what kind of velocity I am getting with the 308 Winchester, 30-32 grains of IMR 3031 and the 170 grain lee bullet coated no check.

Was shooting them at 12-inch ar500 plate, 120 yards, and it was flipping the plate upside down and breaking the Rope. COAL 2.54 inchhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210801/ef8634f67058ce7662f14f009ac13a1a.jpg

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[358429]

You can always drill out the primer pockets in some rimless cases which is supposed to stop excess headspace in mouse fart loads.
But you wouldn’t want to mix them up with full house load brass.
I don’t powder coat but I believe plain base cast can be pushed hard.
Have you thought of paper patching?
It’s just I see Pb bullets as a slow velocity bullet up to 13-1400fps tops if you are lucky.

Trail boss is a high pressure powder.
But it costs about 2x as much when it all works out.I had terrible results Trail Boss in 308. I'm not sure if it was the the alloy I was using, not sure if it was the hitek, or if it was the 10 to 13 grains of Trail Boss I was using based on another shooters recommendation. Complete failure keyholing bullets at 10 feet. Nasty noxious smoke when fired I gave the chore boy a workout scrubbing all the trash out of the barrel.



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[444ttd]

i have one mould for the 165gr ranch dog(173gr actual) in my 30-40 krag(.311"). i and my son hunt with it, it does 1926fps with h4198 and the furthest shot was taken by my son at 173 yards(laser range finder thingy) on a doe. i guess that noe still makes them.

i have a rem m14 in 30 rem and it needs a mould. i've been thinking of 150gr whp gc mould. i'll probably order it AFTER i get them commercially.

https://www.gtbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=27

[barrabruce]

Oops:oops:
I have the 308 hunter mould which looks similar to the one you are asking about.
But it will most likely rain bullets for you as well.

[358429]

Oops:oops:
I have the 308 hunter mould which looks similar to the one you are asking about.
But it will most likely rain bullets for you as well.Please tell me about your loading experiments, and loading experience, in 308 Winchester, using the 308 Hunter mold from MP[emoji3] if you could also tell me about what kind of rifles, and which powders you were loading them with...

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[358429]

If your range is limited to 50 yes, I would get a pound of the fast shotgun or pistol powders such as Bullseye or Red Dot or Clays.
Then I would load those cast bullets over 5 grains of powder and have fun shooting them.
You can get small groups depending on how steady you can hold your rifle.I really liked that last sentence that you say.

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[358429]

You can always drill out the primer pockets in some rimless cases which is supposed to stop excess headspace in mouse fart loads.
But you wouldn’t want to mix them up with full house load brass.
I don’t powder coat but I believe plain base cast can be pushed hard.
Have you thought of paper patching?
It’s just I see Pb bullets as a slow velocity bullet up to 13-1400fps tops if you are lucky.

Trail boss is a high pressure powder.
But it costs about 2x as much when it all works out.Maybe I will drill out the primer Pockets larger on 50 casings that are chrome plated, all of the same headstamp, it'll be an endurance testing of metal fatigue.

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[ktw]

If the goal is position shooting at 50 yds with a 30 cal rifle, I’ve had good luck doing that in a 30-30 with the lighter weight, plain based bullets more commonly used in 32 handguns. Designs like Lyman 311008 or the 312-120 “Willbird” group buy mold we did here a long time ago. Never tried the RCBS 32-98-swc, but I bet that would work, too.

-ktw

[barrabruce]

I’ve loaded the 308 hunter in the 30-30 with 12" twist.
Shoots @ 1" at 50 yards with 4-5 grns bullseye.
I also sized it to 0.302" and paper patched it and was getting @1 3/4" - 2" groups at 100 yards with jacket loads.
The nose is a little small and I have other moulds which cast better for this gun so I have put it aside and played with them instead.
If I had a std 300 bore and 308 groove it would be a whole lot better.
The throat in this is a bit strange but it shoots ok for what it is.
I haven’t hunted in many years but I think it would do just fine on a number of animals.
I use 170-180 fp grn pp full snot loads as a pig load.
I think at 17-1800 fps or 2000fps loads would be quite good enough for most things of decent "hunting "ranges.
I regularly shoot to 300 mtres with subsonic loads and 22lr at the range when I feel like a challenge.
But I have no business shooting animals that far.
The 308 hunter casts easily and shoots well if that what you want.

The ness safety bullet is a step up if you want a real big hollow point to break up on impact.

[358429]

I’ve loaded the 308 hunter in the 30-30 with 12" twist.
Shoots @ 1" at 50 yards with 4-5 grns bullseye.
I also sized it to 0.302" and paper patched it and was getting @1 3/4" - 2" groups at 100 yards with jacket loads.
The nose is a little small and I have other moulds which cast better for this gun so I have put it aside and played with them instead.
If I had a std 300 bore and 308 groove it would be a whole lot better.
The throat in this is a bit strange but it shoots ok for what it is.
I haven’t hunted in many years but I think it would do just fine on a number of animals.
I use 170-180 fp grn pp full snot loads as a pig load.
I think at 17-1800 fps or 2000fps loads would be quite good enough for most things of decent "hunting "ranges.
I regularly shoot to 300 mtres with subsonic loads and 22lr at the range when I feel like a challenge.
But I have no business shooting animals that far.
The 308 hunter casts easily and shoots well if that what you want.

The ness safety bullet is a step up if you want a real big hollow point to break up on impact.Thank you for so freely sharing that information knowledge and experience, makes this site better!

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[358429]

I've been eyeballing The Ness safety bullet for a while. It looks like a huge super-deep upside-down hollow wadcutter.

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[barrabruce]

I have a hundred ness bullets to use up with the big pins.
I haven’t found it’s Sweet Spot yet with the big hollow point pins yet.
The penta pins and they just drop off.
I’ll get back to playing with it later this year I hope.
It does shoot well and it does make a loud smack when it hits the target frame when there is accumulation of old targets left on them.
Ha.
People think you you are shooting stopper gun or something. Ha

[MT Gianni]

If the goal is position shooting at 50 yds with a 30 cal rifle, I’ve had good luck doing that in a 30-30 with the lighter weight, plain based bullets more commonly used in 32 handguns. Designs like Lyman 311008 or the 312-120 “Willbird” group buy mold we did here a long time ago. Never tried the RCBS 32-98-swc, but I bet that would work, too.

-ktw

It does work as does 32 wadcutters fed single shot. 2.5-3 gr BE and a lot of fun. They penetrate the target and the backer so it is still heavier than ideal. [Ideal being able to pluck them out of the backing]

[358429]

Finally the package arrived in the mail . I think mail lady might hate me , I ordered 60 lb of lead and 500 jacketed bullets[emoji16]

Too bad it rained all day on Saturday I was wanting to render that lead into ingots.

Yesterday I loaded 17 matched chromed winchester brass, regular win large rifle primers, hornady 150 grain fmj-boat tails, 40 gr 3031. They look so very shiny!![emoji3]

Taught my friend the beginning of 30-06 recycling too... I supervised him making a box of ammo. we're going to go shoot it in a few weeks. I have not seen him this excited to shoot his rifle in a long time.

Then went fishing with a new tiny fishing pole and caught a bunch of turtles instead of fish! and this is the smallest snapper turtle I got! The biggest was the size of a street manhole cover. Caught a small bass and sun fish as well. The turtles hiss and snap when you go to unhook them they have the most cantankerous attitude .https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210809/b6ee46ba430d3a5589052bf22cc3a58c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210809/5491075dcd0feb8b920333dc4579b467.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210809/02df2a7cf4a32002f56e0a5cc8fc1384.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210809/9b5b2979c1dcc5cff09da02a9fcfe0e9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210809/c0aad5b5470cc74b3e6918d23e588b2a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210809/f6d78124c50afba044bd4b17eeaaf19e.jpg

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[popper]

Accurate 31-142C 145gr for my alloy. The 'funny' base is where I chopped off most of the GC shank. Very easy to cull bad bases, sort of a modified bevel base. MOA @ 100, 10 fps in 300 BO AR. Also shoot it from my SS CVA. Same nose profile as the 168 for 308W that shots great, so it will shoot in 308W. I'm just cheap on powder use. I PC and only get 2 hole rifle moulds, more consistency.

[DonHowe]

I have a few .30 molds for use in my 4 groove 03A3. So far boolits cast in 308291 mold have been easiest to get accuracy with, though that rifle has shown promise with 311290. Of late I have done some shooting with 311467 which seems begging to outshine the rest.
A NOE 310-165-FN has yet to be tried in the 03A3.

[358429]

The rounds fired extremely accurately. I adjusted the scope and was hitting very small targets. Stacking dimes.

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[gwpercle]

50 years of shooting : 30-06 (1903-A3) 7.5 Swiss (K-11 Schmidt-Rubin) 30-30 ( Win. model 94) and almost 30 ... 303 British (BSA No4 MK I SMLE)
Gas Checks make better boolits ... every time I put a gas check on a boolit ... the load improves , I've never put a gas check on and had worse accuracy .
Embrace the gas check .... it makes life easier !
Gary

[358429]

Thank you Gary I'll go looking for gas checks.

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