Shot the ccw requalification

[Thumbcocker]

Illinois requires a requalification for ccw holders every 5 years. I shot the course today. There is also 3 hours of classroom required.

The course of fire is 10 shots at 5 yards, 10 shots at 7 yards, and 10 shots at 10 yards. I used my 625 model of 1989. I highly recommend the Rimz plastic clips with .45 acp ammo.

I was the only revolver shooter. One of the instructors is a retired leo with lots of training experience. I placed my revolver on the bench with the cylinder open and 4 loaded clips on the bench. Then I stepped back. The instructor looked at my revolver and smiled.

10 shots at 5 yards. Unload and step back. Instructor scored our targets. 10 shots at 7 yards. Unload and step back. Instructor scored targets. The instructor had a helper to watch the firing line. The helper also teaches a shoot no shoot course. The helper asked me (kidding) if I was a first time shooter. I told him yeah but I have watched a lot of YouTube videos and played Call of Duty. He said he didn't get to see shooting like this very often.

Final 10 shots at (gasp) 10 yards. Shoot 5 reload shoot 5 clear and step back. Instructor comes to my target and says " how am I supposed to score this?"

Some points. There was no time limit so I shot single action. (I had practiced double action just in case). I looked at my front sight. I was shooting a handload. Lyman 452460 sized .452 over 5.8 of 231 with CCI 300 primers. Finally the furthest we shot was 30 FEET. Not yards. A couple of times I finished last time wise. The rest of the line was mostly mag dumping.

I'm pleased with my target but I really think that MANY folks on this forum would do just as well. I mean I was trying hard and I have been practicing and dry firing but still we are talking about 30 feet.

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[ShooterAZ]

Nice shooting, congrats on that target Sir! S&W really got it right with the 625 model of 1989. Here's a couple pics of mine: Altamont Roper style round to square butt conversion grips in Olivewood, fits my hands perfectly. Another pic with the El Paso Saddlery "Tom Threepersons" holster with "Frontier Floral" engraving. It's my Sunday "Go to Meeting Gun". It's one of my all time favorites for sure, and it shoots extremely well.

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[Thumbcocker]

Beautiful grips!

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[hc18flyer]

Better not 'mess' with that Guy!

[Scrounge]

Illinois requires a requalification for ccw holders every 5 years. I shot the course today. There is also 3 hours of classroom required.

The course of fire is 10 shots at 5 yards, 10 shots at 7 yards, and 10 shots at 10 yards. I used my 625 model of 1989. I highly recommend the Rimz plastic clips with .45 acp ammo.

I was the only revolver shooter. One of the instructors is a retired leo with lots of training experience. I placed my revolver on the bench with the cylinder open and 4 loaded clips on the bench. Then I stepped back. The instructor looked at my revolver and smiled.

10 shots at 5 yards. Unload and step back. Instructor scored our targets. 10 shots at 7 yards. Unload and step back. Instructor scored targets. The instructor had a helper to watch the firing line. The helper also teaches a shoot no shoot course. The helper asked me (kidding) if I was a first time shooter. I told him yeah but I have watched a lot of YouTube videos and played Call of Duty. He said he didn't get to see shooting like this very often.

Final 10 shots at (gasp) 10 yards. Shoot 5 reload shoot 5 clear and step back. Instructor comes to my target and says " how am I supposed to score this?"

Some points. There was no time limit so I shot single action. (I had practiced double action just in case). I looked at my front sight. I was shooting a handload. Lyman 452460 sized .452 over 5.8 of 231 with CCI 300 primers. Finally the furthest we shot was 30 FEET. Not yards. A couple of times I finished last time wise. The rest of the line was mostly mag dumping.

I'm pleased with my target but I really think that MANY folks on this forum would do just as well. I mean I was trying hard and I have been practicing and dry firing but still we are talking about 30 feet.


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I believe the technical term for that is DRT. (Dead Right There!) I shot my 1st-time CCW qual with a Ruger Mark II. I think everything we shot was at 7 yards. Not quite that good a group, but unless he was a meth head, he wasn't going very far. I'm going to have to do it again, as I couldn't scrape up the cash for the license, but that's ok. I like to shoot. ;)

Bill

[littlejack]

Lol!! Congratulations. That'll give'm something to talk about.
I would have shot that exact procedure. There are some folks that shoot, there are shooters, then, "there are shooters". Yourself being in the latter class. Great shootin.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

LoL I did that exactly the same thing with my 686 when it was time to score our target my instructor just smiled
It was really hard not to just do head shots put properly wouldn't look to good if i ever had to defend myself and went back and looked at my target

[Edward]

Ain"t braggin when you shoot groups like that/Ed

[charlie b]

We have to qualify on the max caliber we want to carry, revolver and semi-auto. Many of us shoot two quals so we can carry either one. Minimum is .32cal. Mine are .45acp and .357mag. 15rnds from 3yds and 10rnds from 7yds, 12x18 target and any hits count (yes, I have seen people miss the target at 3yds).

When I qualify I usually have my tweaked 1911 and the Python. They are both better than I am. Most of the time no one questions the targets as the classes are small and instructors observe the shooting.

One time the class was larger and the instructor did not witness each shot and had to count the holes. Two of us were asked to shoot a fresh target and to 'spread the rounds out enough to count'. He said the state rejected a couple of targets with one large hole in them.

So, I fired a 'smiley face' :)

[Thumbcocker]

We have to qualify on the max caliber we want to carry, revolver and semi-auto. Many of us shoot two quals so we can carry either one. Minimum is .32cal. Mine are .45acp and .357mag. 15rnds from 3yds and 10rnds from 7yds, 12x18 target and any hits count (yes, I have seen people miss the target at 3yds).

When I qualify I usually have my tweaked 1911 and the Python. They are both better than I am. Most of the time no one questions the targets as the classes are small and instructors observe the shooting.

One time the class was larger and the instructor did not witness each shot and had to count the holes. Two of us were asked to shoot a fresh target and to 'spread the rounds out enough to count'. He said the state rejected a couple of targets with one large hole in them.

So, I fired a 'smiley face' :)I love it.

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[35remington]

We only have to do it the one time if we renew when required. I figured if they were gonna make it so easy I would make the smallest hole possible. Two targets fifty shot aggregate. Yes ours was max 30 feet as well.

The instructor looked at mine and said “Novice huh? Could you have shot a smaller group?”

[Txcowboy52]

Good shooting sir!! Great pistol. I’ve been using rimz plastic moon clips for years and I absolutely love them.

[OldBearHair]

First time I shot for my CCW with my son's 9 m, the first ten shots were close to each other in center mass and countable. The instructor was pretty busy with two young ladies whom were shooting for the first time. He looked at my target and I told him that the one right between eyes wasn't my shot. Sure enough there were 11 holes. Only nine holes in the fellows target on my right and they were scattered all over. LOL Way to go Thumcocker Great Shooting at any distance. I suppose your group doesn't open up much at greater distances.

[Scrounge]

We have to qualify on the max caliber we want to carry, revolver and semi-auto. Many of us shoot two quals so we can carry either one. Minimum is .32cal. Mine are .45acp and .357mag. 15rnds from 3yds and 10rnds from 7yds, 12x18 target and any hits count (yes, I have seen people miss the target at 3yds).

When I qualify I usually have my tweaked 1911 and the Python. They are both better than I am. Most of the time no one questions the targets as the classes are small and instructors observe the shooting.

One time the class was larger and the instructor did not witness each shot and had to count the holes. Two of us were asked to shoot a fresh target and to 'spread the rounds out enough to count'. He said the state rejected a couple of targets with one large hole in them.

So, I fired a 'smiley face' :)

Here, if you shoot a revolver to qualify, you can only carry a revolver. If you shoot an automatic, you can carry either. There are a bunch of things about Oklahoma firearms law that don't make sense to me, but this was a Progressive state in 1907. You may not use a bullet over .45cal for self defense. No Smith 500's for me. :( And Constitutional Carry was passed recently, so I guess I won't be doing any complaining just yet.

Bill-

[charlie b]

The different laws are certainly interesting. At least reciprocity is getting better.

[Norske]

My wife and I both qualified for a ND Class 1 CCW twice. Weak hand shooting is done at around 10 yards (I forget the state requirement) and the longest distance is 15 yards. There is a kneeling stage, and I was always surprised that everyone but me dropped to both knees. I dropped to my right knee, using the left leg and elbow to support my off hand (2-handed grip). The test administrator asked if I had ever hunted with a handgun, and I admitted to 3 whitetails with a SBH. He said all handgun hunters use a braced kneeling position at 45 feet, non hunters don't think of it. Yup, the first time I made one large hole using my S&W 45ACP M1955 Target revolver. Wheel guns are real guns! ;<)

[LeonardC]

Nice shooting. Revolvers still get it done. I've got several speed loaders coming and will be practicing reloads with the revolver soon.

[Kraschenbirn]

A few months back, when I shot my IL re-certification, I used my 'everyday, a SIG 365XL with my 'carry' ammo: +P 124 gr JHPs. At that time I'd only had the gun a little over a month and was still getting used to the factory-installed 'Romeo-Zero' red dot but did keep 28 of 30 inside the 10-ring. Shooter on my left shot something reminded me of a 25-yard buckshot pattern, guy on my right was a former Navy Shore Patrol shooting a Beretta 92 and his target was just a bit better than mine. He and I were the last two on the line and the instructor - retired LEO training officer - got down to our end and didn't even bother to score our targets, just grinned and said: "Looks like you guys done this before" and told us to secure our weapons and return to the classroom.

Bill

[Green Frog]

When we had our little fun league to shoot PPC style matches, the first leg included 12 shots at 7 1/2 yd with the necessary reload, accomplished with a single draw from the holster and a time limit of about 30 seconds, IIRC. If any of your shots strayed outside of the ten ring under those criteria, the rest of the match was a catch up exercise. I usually shot a full house PPC gun for this, but could duplicate this leg with a tuned but otherwise stock Model 66 with 4” barrel. I say all of this to say that our current generation of shooters just don’t know how well the old revolvers and their shooters, with preparation and practice, could do. Ten yards as the “hard part”? NO PROBLEM for the old grey beards! :Fire:

Froggie

[Dale53]

My good friend, The Green Frog is spot on!

Dale53

[ShooterAZ]

I shot my initial CCW qualification with a revolver too. I used a Dan Wesson Model 15 and dropped no points. As I have grown older, I find myself shooting my revolvers more and more. Tired of chasing brass I guess...

[HATCH]

I shot my qualification with my 625 also.
I had one flier. I couldn't hear if the instructor said fire 2 shots or 3 shots. It was a timed event. I had to wait for the other to stop firing in order to ask him.
Also I found that the gun got heavy after a while.
There was a new shooter with a "rental" Glock. They only gave him 1 mag. So he had to reload all the time.
The drill was fire 2 shots and remain at the "ready".
Which means have the weapon drawn and pointed at a 45 degree angle at the floor in front of you after you finished shooting.
The guy took 5 mins to reload 3 more rounds into the mag as he dropped 2 rounds to the ground.

I had moon clips already loaded up with my ammo. Instructor said I was faster then some of hit auto shooters (mag changers) on reloading.

[JoeJames]

Mighty good example for the rest of the folks shooting. And a fine lesson for the "spray and pray" people.

[robertbank]

Good shooting.

I am a Wilderness Carry Examiner. This is a National Exam requiring clients to shoot into an 18" circle at distances of 5, 10 and 15 meters. Each Position is timed. .357 is the minimum caliber. Shooting from each position is time limited. You must use a belt holster with a strap retention. Once qualified the application is sent into the Chief Firearms Officer for the Province for approval. Your work must require you to work in areas where there is likely to be encounters with dangerous wildlife eg Bears and Cougars. Open carry is mandated.

I might get one applicant a year.

I have qualified with a Ruger GP-100 and a 1911 using 45-08 Cartridges.

We have the stupidest gun laws ever written by man. Our village idiot aka our Prime Minister recently, by Order in Council, banned AR 15's and variants along with the CZ Skorpian, the Berretta CX4 Storm and a Sig. The OIC is presently being challenged in Court. There is a chance a Judge may throw ruling it is an unjustified Order.

Take Care

Bob

[walnut1704]

Excellent!

The Texas course of fire is 20 rounds at 3 yards, 20 rounds at 7 yards, and 10 rounds at 15 yards. Not exactly difficult, especially the way they score it. The maximum score is 250. Passing is 175. You can get 200 points even if you miss all the 15 yard. Notice how large the 5 point area is.

Not wanting to show off too much I decided to "handicap" myself a little and shot it with a Taurus .380. Well....make it appear I was handicapping myself. It didn't really work. The young "tactical" Glock guys saw my target and the gun I was shooting and looked more than a tad perplexed. Of course they don't know what I know about how that particular Taurus performs. I'm also probably 100,000 rounds and decades ahead of them in practice. Nobody failed but I was a bit surprised that I was the only one with a perfect score. One guy did have a 249. He was also what you'd call "mature" like me.


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[LeonardC]

Thanks for the information robertbanks on how Canada does this. I carry almost all the time when I go into the woods, my preference. I gather from your post that is only allowed in Canada if you are working? The dangerous animals leave you alone if you are not working...well trained animals! Do they include moose as dangerous animals?

Can you share what the time requirements are for each distance?

On our trips through Canada we have always been well treated by Canadians.

[robertbank]

Thanks for the information robertbanks on how Canada does this. I carry almost all the time when I go into the woods, my preference. I gather from your post that is only allowed in Canada if you are working? The dangerous animals leave you alone if you are not working...well trained animals! Do they include moose as dangerous animals?

Can you share what the time requirements are for each distance?

On our trips through Canada we have always been well treated by Canadians.

Each Province nay have different proficiency tests. The National regulations that apply to all of Canada stipulate you must be a Canadian resident and hold a License Authorizing the the Possession to own a firearm aka PAL. The Law covering this subject also allows for a License to Protect oneself from threats. The RCMP will not provide how many of these permits have been issued. I suspect they are limited to Judges and rare cases where an individual has a elgitimate threat known to be true by the RCMP. (Knowledge from a former retired Judge -since passed).

Back to your question: Yes you are right the Wilderness Permit is limited to folks who are, in their work environment find themselves in areas where wildlife may present a threat to their lives eg. trappers, miners, surveyors, camp cooks etc.

Here is the info you asked about:

Assessment:

• The applicant must shoot in both standing and kneeling positions for each distance (5, 10 and 15

metres).

• For each firing position at each distance, the applicant must discharge six (6) rounds, unsupported,

within 20 seconds, in one continuous motion.

Scoring:

• The administrator must indicate the total number of hits for each shooting position and distance.

A hit is awarded when a round lands on the designated scoring area of the target. The designated

scoring area is defined as being a circle with a radius of 9 inches or 23 cm.

• The applicant must achieve 15 hits for every 18 rounds fired for each shooting position.

• If an applicant fails to achieve the minimum pass mark, the applicant must be retested for the

failed shooting position at all three distances.

I suspect most on this forum would smile when they see the test. Shooting into an 18" circle at the distances set out is not much of a challenge for most who would think a handgun is there first or second choice for predator protection in the bush. Still I have had perspective students fail the test.

If you do fail the test, see the following:
• An applicant can only attempt a maximum of two retests for each shooting distance.

• If an applicant fails to achieve the minimum pass mark after three attempts for any distance, the

applicant can not attempt to do the POP assessment until after a minimum of 30 days have passed.

• The administrator must submit all POP assessment results – pass or fail – to the Chief Firearms

Officer of their jurisdiction.

As an aside, and I apologize for the thread drift the following might be of interest.

Once our border opens again for US residents, hopefully this summer- please get your vaccinations for Covid. and you plan to camp or even just hike around say Banff bring a can of Bear Spray with you for each adult in your party. DO NOT BRING A TASER , A STUN GUN OR SIMILAR PRODUCT OR MACE OR IT'S EQQUIVALENT. Declare the bear spray and carefully explain why you have it with you. Travelling around our wine country in BC and staying at hotels, motels and B&B's won't cut it. Staying in a hotel, motel say in Banff or Jasper with intentions of hiking would be enough reason I would think.

Most folks here I am sure have watched the Border Patrol TV programs featuring the US Border Patrol, Canadian Border Services, Australian Border Services etc in action. Each just want to do their best to keep us safe.

Take Care

Bob

[ABJ]

You said the RO didn't know how to score that and I'm sure he was kidding, but who knows. Was that all 30 shots (300-28x)?
Even master class shooters will sometimes flub up and throw wide 10 or a 9. Under the circumstances of being watched and such, that is outstanding shooting.
Tony

[Thumbcocker]

I thought all but one were in the x zone or cut the line but I don't know

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[ABJ]

Yeah, the one at 1 oclock could be in. Would have to use an overlay. Still damm good shooting. How do you have your sights adjusted?
Boolit on top of front shght or front sight covering the boolit?

[pincherpartner]

Nice shooting! Up north in the Chicago suburbs, they want to be able to score every shot. Both for my initial CCW and renewal, which had different companies and instructors, they told us to space them out as they need to see every shot. Maybe up here they are more careful about the state coming after them? We already lost so many FFLs we can’t lose any more!

[Thumbcocker]

Yeah, the one at 1 oclock could be in. Would have to use an overlay. Still damm good shooting. How do you have your sights adjusted?
Boolit on top of front shght or front sight covering the boolit?All my adjustable sighted guns are set so whatever the front sight covers gets a hole in it. I suck at 6 o'clock hold.

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[ABJ]

I guess we are lucky down south. Ga has no shooting provisions for carry license. Some of the states are considering doing away with the license requirement all together.
On the other hand if we did have to qualify, I'm pretty sure 75% of the license's would be revoked. I'm glad I have a place to shoot at home, going to the indoor range is scary.

[ABJ]

"whatever the front sight covers gets a hole in it"
LOL I love the way that rolls off the tongue. I may have to borrow that.
Tony

[charlie b]

You said the RO didn't know how to score that and I'm sure he was kidding, but who knows.....


No, he probably was not kidding. They have to prove that all of your rounds hit the target, ie, 25 shots, 25 holes. Not one big hole.

For bigger competition you either shoot one shot per bull, there is a moving backer or a pit crew that inspects the target after each shot (now days electronic targets solve most of the problems).

[Thumbcocker]

I read that a young George Patton lost an Olympic medal because he put two bullets through the same hole. Supposedly that led to the one shot per target procedure.

[rbuck351]

I used to shoot NRA 50' indoor and there were several shooters using a 45acp that could make scoring even ten rounds in one target difficult at 50'.

[2A-Jay]

Good Chutin Mon. I have to renew my CPL in September. I apply to the County Sheriff No shooting involved. Even if there were I would pass. I already have the written part done.