Loads for 35 Remington in a Model 141?

[mkj4him]

I have acquired a Remington Model 141 in 35 Remington. It has ENT arrived yet but I’ve ordered gas checks, Lee dies (all I could find) and Lee 6-Cavity Bullet Mold C358-200-RF. I’m curious if anyone else has used this bullet, what powders work best and what loads you ended up using? I do plan on powder coating the bullets. I will use WW’s with some tin added for better fill out. Please advise on what alloys you like for this caliber as well.

[RickinTN]

I believe that bullet is Lee's version of the RCBS 200 grain 35 bullet. It is the "Gold Standard" for 35 Remington rifles. It could be loaded in your rifle from mild to wild as far as 35 Remington goes. My vote would be for about 10 grains of Unique for a comfortable plinking load but don't underestimate it, it still develops considerable power.
Good Luck,
Rick

[earlmck]

That's the mold I use for my Rem 141 with nice results, though I have only shot targets with the cast load. I use 31 grains of Alliant's "Varmint" powder giving around 1700 fps but my notes show that I had some years ago used the same load of 3031 for similar velocity and accuracy. Lots of powders will work with the 35 Remington and that bullet and you could easily shoot to factory levels of 2100 fps if you need to do so, though I get better accuracy down around the 1700 fps level with my stuff (ww + 2% tin, White's 2800 blue lube, Sage's gas checks).

[JimF]

Lately I’ve been loading an old, Ken Waters load with that bullet (Lee #90449) . . . .consisting of 24 grs. IMR #4198.
My best, 10-shot group so far, is 1 and 1/16”. (always a flyer to spoil a group, huh!)
Being it is a “brush-bucker” cartridge, I shoot it only at 50 yds.
My groups are only “OK” . . . .nothing to write home about, but I’m still experimenting.
I tried a couple of handgun bullets (Lyman #358156 and the Lee counterpart) and got absolutely lousy groups!

My firearm is a 1969-vintage, Marlin 336 carbine w/micro-groove barrel.

[RU shooter]

Start with jacketed book loads of 3031 and 4895 . I've settled on 37.5 grs of imr 4895 with that bullet in my rifle . Other medium speed powders work well also so don't be afraid to experiment all barrels are different

[NEKVT]

A hunting load for the RCBS 35-200-FN have seen mentioned often and is accurate in my Ballard rifled '52 336 is 36.0gr H4895. Velocity is close to factory load level. Alloy was 50/50 WW-Pb heat treated slightly to BHN12. Would probably work well with the Lee clone as well although I have no experience with PC boolits.

[Mk42gunner]

The consensus when I was researching the .35 Remington for use in my Marlins was that the RCBS 35-200-FN was THE BOOLIT for the .35 Rem. This was before Lee copied it, so as long as it fits your rifle, it should be a fine projectile for either plinking or game shooting.

Book loads of most powders from 4198 to 3031 to H335 should be fine, some will be more accurate than others.

One of these years I will find a decent Remington Model 14 or 141 to play with.

Robert

[mkj4him]

Lots of info to digest. Thanks everyone. Does anyone have a correct OAL for use in the Rem 141 for proper feeding?

I know from experience shooting a model 14 in 32 Remington that the OAL is critical for function. I ordered a box of 32 Remington for a friends rifle and the first one I tried feeding from tube into chamber jammed in feed mechanism. Took a bit of effort to remove.

[444ttd]

i have a m14 in 30 rem, but i have not shot it....yet!!!!! i don't know what the OAL is, i don't want tube/chamber jammed either. i "heard" that the 165gr ranch dog is needed, but you'll have load it short. i was looking at the 150gr whp gc , but again, i don't what the OAL is. i'll take her out deer someday in my area, when the shot is around 50-60 yards or less.

i own a 35/30-30 in win m94 and it just luvs 200gr rcb fn gc with 2400/dacron with williams fp sight. i've killed three doe with it and the furthest they run is about 20ish yards. (they are shot at 25ish, 35ish and 50ish yards)

sighting it in at 100 yards
https://i.imgur.com/nBFtFB6.jpg


https://www.gtbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=27

[Adam20]

i use 2.39 OAL for the NOE 35-200 in rem model 14

[rockrat]

I use 4895 in my 141 with great results

[GooseGestapo]

Loading to the crimp groove will be a good place to start. It wasn’t placed there by random choice.
For a Marlin with Microgroove rifling, a .360-.361” sizing is necessary. For the Remington, I surmise that .358” will be a good place to start.

I’ve used 34.5gr of H4895 with the RCBS 200gr FNGC. Mine throws to 218gr so might be a bit stout for the Remington. 30gr would be a good place to start. My best and current load is 39.0gr of BLC2. Definitely too much for the Remington but VERY accurate in my Marlin. Gets 2,050fps.

The above mentioned 20gr of 2400 is going to get a try too, as it’s my favorite powder for cast bullets. Handgun or rifle...

[mkj4him]

I gather from the comments that the Remington 141 is a weaker action that the Marlins?

[Duckiller]

I would question either gun having weak actions. Yes pumps and lever actions are weaker than bolt actions, but they are both designed to fire industry standard cartridges. I would load either gun to industry standard i.e. near max load but would not hot rod. I have had no problem with my Model 8 loaded to slightly less than maximum load.

[mkj4him]

Well it arrived. In decent shape too.

[NEKVT]

I gather from the comments that the Remington 141 is a weaker action that the Marlins?

The 35 Rem was introduced in the Rem Model 8 semi auto. The cartridge specs are based on the limitations of that firearm. Levers, pumps and bolt actions can handle more pressure than the Model 8 but the 35 Rem as designed works well for its intended purpose.

[uscra112]

In his last years my Dad loaded 35 grains of 3031 with the 200 grain Lyman 358315, which was from the beginning the canonical bullet for the .35 Rem. I inherited his 336 Marlin in 1996, and I never improved on that load. Today I'd load Varget, but I can't even walk to the mailbox anymore, much less hunt. (Don't get old.)

[mkj4him]

In his last years my Dad loaded 35 grains of 3031 with the 200 grain Lyman 358315, which was from the beginning the canonical bullet for the .35 Rem. I inherited his 336 Marlin in 1996, and I never improved on that load. Today I'd load Varget, but I can't even walk to the mailbox anymore, much less hunt. (Don't get old.)

Well I am getting old and the past couple years have been shooting deer from my bedroom window out into the edges of my yard. I’m sure these old staple loads will serve well. Thank you.

[Three44s]

“Don’t get old?”

The alternative to that is worse!

I have a 35 Rem in a 336c Marlin waffle top. I notice that the freebore on mine (not uncommon) is very short. Boolits sized .359 must be seated to just barely having the forward band protruding only about .050 or .060”

I have a 141 Rem but in .25 Remington.

Three44s

[mkj4him]

That's the mold I use for my Rem 141 with nice results, though I have only shot targets with the cast load. I use 31 grains of Alliant's "Varmint" powder giving around 1700 fps but my notes show that I had some years ago used the same load of 3031 for similar velocity and accuracy. Lots of powders will work with the 35 Remington and that bullet and you could easily shoot to factory levels of 2100 fps if you need to do so, though I get better accuracy down around the 1700 fps level with my stuff (ww + 2% tin, White's 2800 blue lube, Sage's gas checks).
What OAL are you using either the 358-200-RF in your model 141? Can you crimp in crimp groove? What case trim length? I’m having a few issues with bullets jamming into lands and bolt not locking.

[mkj4him]

“Don’t get old?”

The alternative to that is worse!

I have a 35 Rem in a 336c Marlin waffle top. I notice that the freebore on mine (not uncommon) is very short. Boolits sized .359 must be seated to just barely having the forward band protruding only about .050 or .060”

I have a 141 Rem but in .25 Remington.

Three44s
I may have to do the same with my 141. Does the deeper seating depth seem to help or hinder accuracy? How about velocity or pressure spikes?

[Three44s]

The deeper seating allowed the Marlin bolt to close so I do not have a before and after.

Best regards

Three44s