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fivegunner
05-15-2021, 03:09 PM
I just got back from the GunClub, shooting my new Sig 226 .40S&W, the gun shoots well. but about round #35, it did not go bang ? I cleared the gun and looked at the cartige . it had a nice round Dent in it, so tryed again (click) . well this is factroy ammo Winchester .40S&W 180 grain full metal Jacket. I bought it from midway last fall ,stored in a dark cool place with 50% or less humidty . of all the factroy I have shot this is the first one that falied to go bang. has anyone have this happend??? I am going to send this round back to Winchester and ask them what went wrong.:Fire::-? PS. I tryed to put pictures here but the site told me that the file was wrong someway??

Winger Ed.
05-15-2021, 03:51 PM
About 25 years ago, I had a new factory Federal .30-06 do that.

I returned it to the address on their box. I'm still waiting to hear back.

Bigslug
05-15-2021, 03:54 PM
If you haven't experienced bad factory ammo, then you haven't been around for the consumption of nearly enough of it.

In an instruction setting, I have seen factory ammo for rifle, pistol, or shotgun with:

Primers installed backwards

Primers installed sideways

Primers that don't ignite - probably due to lack of compound or a missing anvil.

Hard primers that don't ignite due to a hard or over-thick cup that needs an armor-piercing firing pin to light off.

Ammo with no flash hole drilled through the primer pocket.

Bullet seated to crush the case mouth.

Bullet seated backwards

Bullet not finished (escaped some of the swaging operations)

Improper taper crimp (won't chamber)

Shotshells with rough edges on the brass that can lead to hard extraction in a pump gun.

+P-marked cases mixed in with the correct stuff to make a non-+P load

Make a few billion of anything and there are bound to be mistakes. Always good to let the manufacturer know what you have and the production lot it came from, but unless what you're seeing is chronic, there's probably not much to be done about it. The good news is that the top shelf auto pistol duty loads seem to be phenomenally good at quality control, and those kinds of issues are seen far less there. That said, (A.) that could just be a perception because far less of it gets purchased and shot than the training ammo, and (B.) it isn't completely immune to stupid.

Always good to train at clearing malfunctions - cuz they happen.

tazman
05-15-2021, 04:05 PM
At various times in the past, I have had some factory ammunition fail to fire. Since they are so rare, I usually pull them apart to see what the issue is.

I have had a few bad primers, one with no powder(I had to drive the bullet out of the barrel on that one), and one with no primer flash hole.

It only concerns me if there are more than one in a single box of ammo.

cwtebay
05-15-2021, 05:41 PM
I also have had this experience (too many times...). I would suggest contacting the manufacturer, typically they'll have you send the ammo back on their dime. And generally, I've received an answer as well as some complimentary / replacement ammunition.

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mozeppa
05-15-2021, 06:40 PM
2 squibs from winchester within a week.

44 mag.....had to drive the bullets out of the barrel with brass rod and hammer.

remy3424
05-16-2021, 09:23 AM
I have shot very little factory loaded ammo of any kind, but I purchased Rem 700 Classic in 17 Rem, that came with a case of Rem ammo. Was shooting Pdogs and had some debris hit me in the face upon firing a round...primer blew-out. Shot some more and it happened again. Contacted Remington, they paid to send them back, received a new case of ammo. Seemed the case heads hadn't been annealed correctly. I asked about cases that didn't blow-out the primers, was told those case were fine...that was a concern I had. Shot factory shot shells until several years ago and don't recall any issues with those. Would have thought most here don't shoot factory loads.

memtb
05-16-2021, 09:38 AM
While rare, it does and can happen. Anything produced by man can fail......even a Cummins! :smile: memtb

Hossfly
05-16-2021, 09:42 AM
My son was shooting the other day, his reloads. Had a box of SIG 45 auto and 1 of them didn’t go bang. Had a good strike on primer. Told him to try again with different pistol, he did and still no go.

Said he wont buy any more of those, as he has enough cases now to just make his own.

MrWolf
05-16-2021, 09:50 AM
I have a new Remington 12 ga factory shell with no rim. Guess it slipped through QC.

rintinglen
05-16-2021, 09:59 AM
Had a 38 with no flash hole. Had a 9mm with the case crumpled from the bullet crushing it while seating. Stuff happens.

shooter bob
05-16-2021, 10:13 AM
I’ve had a entire box of Winchester 300 wsm loaded with.284 bullets.

AZ Pete
05-16-2021, 10:23 AM
About 15 years ago I had problems with Federal "550" bulk pack .22 ammo. Had it for my grandkids to plink with. About 2 to 5% would not fire, on the first strike. Turning the round for a strike on another part of the rim usually worked.

I called Federal and talked to a nice guy, told him the issue and provided the lot number. He said "usually we like you to send them back to us to test, but postage it so high that I will just replace them for you...what is your mailing address?". I told him, and that the bad news was that I had 7 boxes (7,350 rounds). Seven new boxes were on my door step within a week. Great customer service!

jimb16
05-16-2021, 11:53 AM
I had a box of ammo that had multiple rounds without powder! I sent that one back and they sent me 2X as much replacement ammo FROM A DIFFERENT LOT! It wasn't winchester. They all have OOPSes once in a while.

Butzbach
05-16-2021, 12:17 PM
Had some Remington 158 gr .38 +P with 2 rounds in a box of 50 that had rims too thick to close the cylinder on my model 13. This was about three years ago.

First rimfire missfires were Remington golds (yellow jackets?) about 9 years ago. I was shooting at a squirrel �� that was interrupting my Deer hunting with my Smith model 317. Two in a row. He looked at me as if to say “come back when you have your fecal matter in one bag and can carry it,” and took off.

shooter bob
05-16-2021, 01:14 PM
All I got from Winchester is a replacement box .Realized something was wrong While shooting at a deer made a strange noise.At least it was a clean miss on the deer

fatelk
05-16-2021, 01:19 PM
A friend of mine had a squib with a round of .45acp factory Remington ammo. The gun went click, and he manually extracted an empty case. He chambered another round and was in the process of squeezing the trigger when his shooting buddy (another deputy) stopped him. He had seen what happened and told him to check the barrel. Sure enough, a bullet partway down. We all know what would have happened had he pulled the trigger. Remington made it right.

It always gets me when I hear people condescendingly say they would never reload or shoot reloads because they're unreliable and dangerous. I've shot an awful lot of my own reloads over the decades, and have found them to be very safe and reliable.

Win94ae
05-16-2021, 01:27 PM
about 25 years ago, i had a new factory federal .30-06 do that.

I returned it to the address on their box. I'm still waiting to hear back.

lol!

imashooter2
05-17-2021, 11:37 AM
In the 60 years I’ve been shooting, probably less than half a dozen factory center fire duds. Rimfire on the other hand... more than you could count with an abacus.

Bmi48219
05-17-2021, 12:27 PM
About 15 years ago I had problems with Federal "550" bulk pack .22 ammo. Had it for my grandkids to plink with. About 2 to 5% would not fire, on the first strike. Turning the round for a strike on another part of the rim usually worked.
I called Federal and talked to a nice guy, told him the issue and provided the lot number. He said "usually we like you to send them back to us to test, ...Great customer service!

I got a great deal on 3 boxes of Federal 550 LR 5 years ago. Had the same 2-5% FTF rate. Turning the cartridge to get firing pin to strike another spot worked 50% of the time. I discovered I could turn the ones that didn’t work three times but they never fired. I contacted Federal with lot # and they asked for several spent cases to examine. Their diagnosis was the dent (a serious, flatten the rim impression) caused by my firing pin was a couple thousands inch shorter than that required for positive ignition. I mailed them six more fired cases from another pistol (Officer’s Model Match) that apparently had the same problem. They sent me a check for $25.00. Yeah, it was cheap ammo but... I think they didn’t get a complete 360 degree primer compound placement when these cases were primed.
Another time a range I worked at received several pallets of standard Remington 9 mm 115 FMJ ammo. You could count on one out of a hundred having sideways or upside down primers. That could be bad news if they use the same production line for SD ammo.

hondo1892
05-18-2021, 07:29 PM
Bought several boxes of Remington 30-30 one year for hunting. My daughter and I were sighting in our rifles and we had three rounds that wouldn't fire. At that time I read Remington was having some QC problems with ammo. I quite buying Remington for a few years and went to Federal and had no problems with them. Probably all the companies have QC problems once in a while now since they seem to get sold often.

Polymath
05-18-2021, 09:27 PM
Shot off a double box of Win 22-250 few years back and nearly all the primers were smoked black from a blowout. Left a message but no reply. Started reloading that summer. never looked back.

A week ago the primer on one of my 38SPl WC loads failed to fire. Light pin mark, Hit it again twice and finally it went off, I suspect it was a rifle primer that got into the system.

Today shot my first cloverleaf with that revolver, same load. I think I got it dialed in.

avogunner
05-19-2021, 07:28 AM
Just last weekend at the gun club. One of our regulars was shooting trap and had multiple bloopers (wad stuck in bbl) out of a box of brand new Winchester target loads (these weren't AA but their economy brand). Concur with one of the posters above, if you've never had a problem with a factory round, you probably haven't shot much of it.
For the amount of rounds these manufacturers pump out, I'm actually surprised at how good their quality is but - the occasional bad ones are more common that one would think.
Semper Fi

gwpercle
05-19-2021, 11:59 AM
I much prefer when they don't go bang to my experience with a round that had a 2Xbang powder charge ... blew the extractor off and damaged a good magazine !
I had to send the rifle back to Ruger for repairs ... And ...Get This ... it was with factory Winchester ammo !!!
Yeah stuff happens ... somedays it's no bang and some days its BIG bang ....
It all evens out in the end !
Gary

robertbank
05-21-2021, 12:09 AM
Have had problems with Remington primers - no anvil. One recent Winchester White Box 9MM failed to fire. Pulled bullet, powder but looks like no anvil on primer. They make millions of rounds a day. You got to think there are going to be a few duds.

Take Care

Bob

Walks
05-21-2021, 01:14 AM
Shot ATA most weekends while growing up in the late 1960's-early 1970's. Federal Gold Medal PLASTIC would turn out a DUD about 2-3 rds out of a case(500rds).
Never had a problem with the Paper shells.
Rem RXP gave a DUD now and again.
Had only one round of Win AA that I can remember.
Shot a LOT of ammo back then.

Had a DUD Black Hills .45Colt Cowboy Load about 20yrs ago.