Water glass and other glues

[foesgth]

Once again I need the guidance from you fine folks. I have my great grandfathers Hopkins Allen 12ga side by side. I know they were not the best shotguns available but this one has some family history so I want to shoot it. I am going to shoot it with a black powder load. I have a box of brass 12ga hulls I have never used so I want to try them. From what I have found in my research these traditionally had the overshot card glued down with water glass glue. I have tracked down water glass. It seems to come by the gallon. I don't need a gallon. What are you guys using for glue?

I want to get these loads worked out so his (my great grandfather) great-great-great-grandson can shoot the gun!


Thanks,

[Bull-Moose]

When I worked in pharmacy, we sold water glass by the quart. We kept it behind the counter, and you had to ask for it. Call around.

[Shanghai Jack]

If you do shop around you'll have better luck if you ask for sodium silicate liquid. Here's a link to it relatively cheap

https://www.sciencecompany.com/Sodium-Silicate-Solution-16oz-P6375.aspx

[tomme boy]

Make it yourself

[hawkenhunter50]

I got some Duco cement off Amazon to try, haven't used it yet, but plan on trying it with brass blackpowder loads.

[Newtire]

Make it yourself
Hey Tomme,
How do you make water glass yourself? When I was a kid we used to buy it in a small bottle from the Rexall drug store in fabulous downtown Savanna.

[NyFirefighter357]

It's often used for heating equipment. I have about a dozen 4oz bottles. These are the ones I have https://www.supplyhouse.com/Lynn-Manufacturing-5602-4-oz-Sodium-Silicate-Bottle-Water-Glass

[sharps4590]

Waterglass is the only thing I found that would hold the OSC in place from recoil of the other barrels. Yes, barrels. I also shoot brass cases in a BP proofed drilling. Any othe glue short of epoxy, which I never used, gave up after a shot or two.

I bought about a pint bottle from somewhere about 3 years ago. Seems like it was less than $20.00.

If you get a larger bottle be sure to shake it up good and rotate the bottle about once a week. Otherwise it will go gooey and separate then be useless.

[MrWolf]

First time I ever heard of water glass glue. Learn a lot in this place. Thanks.
Ron

[bangerjim]

It's one of the oldest glues around....if you can call it a "glue" based on our modern chemistry technologies! Still in use though.

[foesgth]

Well. after getting an online degree on water glass I found some. It is evidently in common use as a cement floor sealer. I got a jug off of Amazon for $20. I will have plenty if anyone else needs some.:bigsmyl2:

The great experiment goes on!!

[Shanghai Jack]

As I recall it was used in the old days to preserve fresh eggs as well.

[tomme boy]

You use it with vermiculite to make firebricks

How to make it.

https://youtu.be/Ip-jDuM25FE

[tomme boy]

Hey Tomme,
How do you make water glass yourself? When I was a kid we used to buy it in a small bottle from the Rexall drug store in fabulous downtown Savanna.

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[David todd]

I have tried danged near everything under the sun for 20 + years, for sealing my overshot wads in my brass cases .
I settled on silicone sealant many years ago for my hunting loads. I carry them upside down in a cartridge belt and no amount of jostling or recoil with dislodge the overshot wad.
I just take a small swipe around the wad when I seat it, then let the cases sit overnight.
David

[YippyKiYay]

We always had a car. truck, or tractor that had a leaky radiator, and Dad has us get a pint of waterglass at the RX and pour it down the hot radiator. If there was no antifreeze it would fix a leak. But if you put antifreeze in it the waterglass failed and you had a mess. My friend who shoots his 1883 Remington Dbl uses paper hulls. They work great. Watched him break 23 out of 25 at the handicap line.

[YippyKiYay]

I have tried danged near everything under the sun for 20 + years, for sealing my overshot wads in my brass cases .
I settled on silicone sealant many years ago for my hunting loads. I carry them upside down in a cartridge belt and no amount of jostling or recoil with dislodge the overshot wad.
I just take a small swipe around the wad when I seat it, then let the cases sit overnight.
David


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[stubshaft]

I use a squirt of Duco Cement on mine. Works for me.

[MarkW]

For another use we used to paint it on the inside of cardboard tubes when making rocket motors. I see a 4 oz bottle is $11 on ebay delivered.

[uscra112]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FMD4QM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[John Boy]

Buy a hot glue electric gun and some hot glue sticks. Run a ring around the over shot wad = perfectly sealed
Hot glue is also an excellent way to form modified seating plug cavities and H&I dies for perfect bullet ogives

[Mossy88]

Buy a hot glue electric gun and some hot glue sticks. Run a ring around the over shot wad = perfectly sealed
Hot glue is also an excellent way to form modified seating plug cavities and H&I dies for perfect bullet ogives

Reading the thread I wondered about hot glue. that crap sticks to everything and its so easy to work with.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Probably best, when dealing with shotgun shell reloading, to stay with the things that are tried and proven. Waterglass seems to be one of them. This past winter I reloaded a bunch of mixed .410 shells, some with unknown pasts. A few, perhaps a dozen, would not fold crimp well and left a little round hole in the center of the crimp through which one or two shot could dribble out. Gave it a lot of thought, and bought a small squeeze tube of silicon sealant (DAP brand) and put a small blob in each hole. The stuff is advertised to never harden, and I think it will probably prove good for the application I used it for, but I don't believe I'd use it to seal overshot cards, etc.

DG

[jimb16]

WOW! I just use a little Elmer's glue thinned with isopropol alcohol. I dip a small water color paint brush in it and paint the overshot card. Cleans out easily if it doesn't blast clean away.

[MOA]

Ive been using water glass with great success. I use it for sealing brass shotshells and for case fire forming.


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[Jkrem]

My dad remembers his uncles using a bit of melted beeswax when reloading 10 and 12 gauge shells in their kitchen in Pittsburgh. That is what I’m planning on trying, at least once anyway. Wish I had pictures of that.

[Hogtamer]

I would avoid hot glue exposed to the barrel.

[pashiner]

A good source of water glass is radiator stop-leak sold at auto parts stores. It's not all created equal, so look for a bottle that advertises no grit or metal flake in the formula.