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Dutchman
02-28-2021, 11:21 PM
I've loaded 9x19 but not with cast bullets. I just bought this NOE mold off the S&S forum this last week. 358-128-SWC three cavity. With my alloy they drop at .360". I put them through a .358" push-through die and lube with LLA.

Will they work out ok in the 9x19?

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Out of my stash of primers... rapidly dwindling stash... does that make you sick or what?

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tazman
02-28-2021, 11:42 PM
That depends entirely on the chamber of your pistol. Make up a couple of dummy rounds and see how they drop in. If they drop in cleanly and will feed from the magazine, you should be good to go.

I have used boolits up to .360 in pistols with "generous" chambers. I have other pistols with tight chambers that nothing larger than .357 will fit into.
You will have to try them out and see how they work.

Nobade
03-01-2021, 08:09 AM
I use .358" boolits in my M&P with good effect. But as the above post mentions, check a loaded round in your chamber to see if it will drop in easily. If it drags at all you don't want to go that big.

Thumbcocker
03-01-2021, 09:54 AM
My default size for all 9mm pistols is .358.

contender1
03-01-2021, 10:30 AM
Have you slugged your barrel to see what the actual bore diameter is?

JonB_in_Glencoe
03-01-2021, 10:30 AM
If that's the NOE SWC, I have that exact mold, and my mold drops 'em at .360...and it's my favorite for 9mm.
I size them to .357

EMC45
03-01-2021, 10:33 AM
My default size for all 9mm pistols is .358.

I second that emotion.

I size ALL 9MM bullets at .358 for various pistols through the years.

rintinglen
03-01-2021, 11:20 AM
My Luger will take .359 no sweat, my SIG P6 may take .358 but is iffy. My BHP likes .357. Your gun will let you know, but you'll have to try a few first to see.

Martin Luber
03-01-2021, 11:29 AM
Funny how many so called 9mm are really .357 groove. Lead many a shooter astray...and to bad leading

AndyC
03-01-2021, 11:32 AM
^ Yep!

ioon44
03-01-2021, 11:37 AM
Have you slugged your barrel to see what the actual bore diameter is?

Yep this is the place to start.

Dan Cash
03-01-2021, 12:09 PM
Hardly a semi wadcutter but if onset of taper is seated flush with cartridge case mouth and if the loaded round chambers, they should work.

Burnt Fingers
03-01-2021, 01:52 PM
I've loaded 9x19 but not with cast bullets. I just bought this NOE mold off the S&S forum this last week. 358-128-SWC three cavity. With my alloy they drop at .360". I put them through a .358" push-through die and lube with LLA.

Will they work out ok in the 9x19?

https://images34.fotki.com/v1522/photos/4/28344/9430776/20210223_202551-vi.jpg (https://public.fotki.com/dutchman/crufflerstuff/bullet-casting/20210223-202551.html)




Are those boolits the rejects?

Conditor22
03-01-2021, 02:03 PM
Each gun has its own preference. My Ruger likes .3565 but my European 9mm's need .359 and .360 for best accuracy.

Dutchman
03-01-2021, 06:29 PM
My only 9mm is a Luger but also loading for my granddaughter's S&W compact 9mm. I'll do as advised and load half a dozen dummies to try in both guns.

Figured if .358" was too big I could always load them in .38 Special.

thanks for the thoughts!!

Dutch

DocSavage
03-01-2021, 07:17 PM
Have a 92fs that wouldn't shoot .357 dia bullets called Baretta and was told SAAMI spec is .354 to.359 had better luck with .358. dia I can dse the same bullet for 38/357.

35remington
03-01-2021, 09:36 PM
Hopefully the primers aren’t Remington 1 1/2s. If they are, keep pressures on the milder side.

Plate plinker
03-02-2021, 10:33 AM
Running .3757 here in the glock platform. When I tried .356 we had keyholes in the target at 30 feet. As advised all guns vary as to what they like to devour.

tazman
03-02-2021, 10:55 AM
I have 9mm handguns from S&W, Springfield(two very different guns), Beretta, and RIA.
The S&W is a 929 revolver and will accept nearly anything in any OAL since it headspaces off the moon clips. It isn't picky about diameter since anything large will get sized leaving the cylinder throat.
The Beretta has a larger groove diameter and a very generous chamber which needs larger diameter boolits for best accuracy.
The RIA is a 1911 and likes .357. I haven't tried larger sizes in it because it is the last 9mm handgun to arrive and the ammo I have loaded for the others works fine in it.
The two Springfields are a Range Officer(1911) and an XDm target model. Both of these have tight chambers that will not accept larger boolit sizes.
I settled on .357 since that will feed in all the handguns I have and give decent, if not the best accuracy in every handgun. It works surprisingly well in the Beretta with the larger chamber and bore.

FLINTNFIRE
03-02-2021, 01:47 PM
Picture shows Remington 2 1/2 large pistol primer , I am shooting 358 out of 9mm , different pistols , NOE mold and MP molds .

lesterktm
03-02-2021, 03:32 PM
We have tried many combos in 9mm. Sizing both .357 and .358. Powder Coated and lubed lead. Working up on the loads, never had any issues.

FergusonTO35
03-02-2021, 05:15 PM
My Ruger carbine definitely prefers .358, so Im going to size all mine that way from now on. Unfortunately, the Lee 356-120-TC doesnt drop that big.

ioon44
03-03-2021, 09:26 AM
I size to .360" for my Walther PPQ SF, the bore slugs at .357" and after pulling a loaded round the bullet measures .359", with Hi-Tek coating the barrel is always clean after shooting a match.

Lloyd Smale
03-04-2021, 06:01 AM
i for the most part do 357. Some of my 9s will run 358s (at least when there clean) but some wont and i want my ammo to run in all of my guns and add to that by the time you get 500 rounds through one and things are dirty problems can occur if you already pushing the limit. Keep in mind most 9mm jacketed are 356.

trapper9260
03-04-2021, 06:18 AM
Have you slugged your barrel to see what the actual bore diameter is?

I was going to say this also. my some was smaller then some others .One have a worn barrel when I got it. When I load it with the largest size I got my groups close in I have another that .356 cast is just right it measure .354

Sailormilan2
03-06-2021, 05:20 PM
My default size for all 9mm pistols is .358.

Agreed.

Dutchman
03-16-2021, 04:47 PM
Just a follow-up...

I made up a few dummies using the new NOE cast bullet to try in my Luger (S/42 1936). They fed from the magazine and chambered just fine.

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Brett Ross
03-23-2021, 05:59 PM
Anything less than .358 and my P1 Walter leads big time

Divil
03-25-2021, 02:43 PM
My Browning HP MKIII needs .358 boolits . If I get another Smith 6946 or 3913 I bet they take .358 too. My Colt 9mms and Wheaton Arms aftermarket barrel for my G17 are rifled tight and use .356 boolits.