cbd oil

[porthos]

i'm sure that this has been discused before. if so, i missed it. anyone have any luck with CBD oil for their knees??

[MrWolf]

I was taking cbd oil for awhile. Helps with sleeping but that was about it for me. I had hoped for more with my neck and back. For my knees, after I had an MRI and they said arthritis and to basically deal with it, I started taking Collagen types 1,2, and 3. Get them in pill format from almost anywhere. I was taking just Glucosamine/Chondroitin by itself but wasn't helping. My Uncle told me about the collagen and within a few weeks made a huge difference IN ME. Hopefully you could get the same relief. Good luck.
Ron

[Idaho45guy]

My 77 year old father said it helps his arthritic hands, and my girlfriend's mother said it helps her knees.

I gave it to a 13yr old great dane/lab mix for the last four years of his life and he remained mobile up until the cancer got him. He lived three years longer than he should have and was in remarkably good shape.

I've heard nothing but good things about it, but no personal use or brands to recommend.

[10-x]

I use the cream version on my bad knee( getting replaced soon) hands and neck/ upper back. Works great, rub in on and in few minutes pain is gone.

[John Wayne]

I have no experience with that oil but you can talk to your Doc about Pennsaid and get a prescription.

[Circuit Rider]

I know nothing about why or how cbd works, just know it does for us. My wife does the research and has a case of 30+ vials. One we got recently that we use with a diffuser for sleeping. Makes a big difference for us. She has one that helps with joint pain. YMMV, CR

[Skipper]

I tried it on my knees and shoulder...didn't do ****

[StuBach]

I got some MedTerra CBD topical cream samples at a trade show last year and the 750mg works wonders on my knee with torn cartilage. The 150mg tube I bought recently also works very well but not quite as well as the 750mg version.

I’ve also used it on my back with a herniated disc and it helps there too.

[imashooter2]

I take CBD oil to help with my Psoriatic Arthritis. It provides a bit of relief and flexibility to my hands. I haven’t noticed any real difference to my knees or ankles.

Pennsaid did nothing for me.

Everyone is different. There isn’t a lot of downside to trying it.

[BigAlofPa.]

I get Euflexxa shots in my knees. With untrasound guiding the doc to put it in. It works great.

[jonp]

Have the pills to our dog for 3 months and they didn't seem to do anything. I knowing has no the but I won't take a chance on it because of my CDL

[kodiak1]

I take it for my back, hips and knees it really cut the pain back to being able to tolerate it.
Definitely sleep better at nights don't know if its because the rest of me don't hurt so bad or CBD.
I have a CDL also but if you are taking straight CBD oil with no or minimal THC you should never test positive.
I did a ton of asking questions and reading information on the subject.
Hopefully I get a few years out of it before it fails me!!

[imashooter2]

Have the pills to our dog for 3 months and they didn't seem to do anything. I knowing has no the but I won't take a chance on it because of my CDL

My wife test positive for marijuana after taking “no thc” CBD oil. My understanding is that false positive can be appealed with a more definitive test, but if it were my livelihood, I wouldn’t take a chance either.

[StuBach]

Removed as went to wrong thread.

[dgdimick]

I tired it for a while, didn't help.

Not to rain on your question, however, there has been a documented placebo effect of 50% on most drugs.
http://in5d.com/placebo-effect/

[BrassMagnet]

My 77 year old father said it helps his arthritic hands, and my girlfriend's mother said it helps her knees.

I gave it to a 13yr old great dane/lab mix for the last four years of his life and he remained mobile up until the cancer got him. He lived three years longer than he should have and was in remarkably good shape.

I've heard nothing but good things about it, but no personal use or brands to recommend.

CBD did not work for my 12 year old Jack Russell terrier. Denosyl 225 did! Ollie feels a lot better and is bouncy and fast moving again. My wife says SamE is the Denosyl equivalent for people, but the dosage for people is more.
Denosyl was prescribed for Ollie for liver, but it is also used for arthritis.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I use CBD oil, it works for me.
CBD is a known anti-inflammatory, if the pain in your knees is due to inflammation, it will likely help.

My initial experience with CBD and severe knee pain was this.
I started taking CBD at near the max recommended dose (20 mg once per day) for inflammatory pain. It took about two weeks for anything noticeable to happen...but it did release the pain. I then dialed back the dosage to half. Then after a few months, one of my friends who uses it, said they just use a drop at a time, twice a day for maintenance...A drop of the concentration I buy is about 1mg. That 1 drop does the job for me as maintenance.

Side effects are I sleep better and I have a more leveled temperament, meaning I'm not easily agitated or aggravated.

[Handloader109]

Have the pills to our dog for 3 months and they didn't seem to do anything. I knowing has no the but I won't take a chance on it because of my CDL

THIS IS A REAL ISSUE. Be very careful with anything that MIGHT contain MJ..... Drug tests CAN pick this up and cause you issues. My daughter is a application specialist for one of the top trucking companies in the US. And MJ causes a lot of issues. They do test Hair also (in most states) and it comes up a LOT. Way more than I would have thought. CBD in all forms CAN pop up as MJ use even thought it's packaged as THC free. There really isn't a standard on the THC content.
If you drive professionally, just don't...

[Burnt Fingers]

I've been a skeptical old fart since I was in my teens. I never believed in snake oil or CBD oil.

A couple of years ago my chronic pain took a step up. I didn't want to increase my opiate dose and my wife TOLD me to try some CBD. I did some research and found a company that was highly rated and also gives a really nice, 40% at the time now 60%, discount to Veterans, disabled, and low income people.

I ordered a bottle. I had been using a heating pad on my lower back while sitting for over six years. The last day I used that heating pad was the first day I started the CBD oil.

https://www.lazarusnaturals.com/

I take the oil twice a day. My wife wanted some balm, I didn't think it would work, but I ordered it for her. The balm works for us.


Do the research on CBD. Many brands contain little to no CBD. Others that claim to be THC free aren't. Go with a company that provides certified test results on each batch. The company I linked to has those test results on each product page. I have a few dozen acquaintances that have started using CBD from Lazarus. All have had really good results.

I receive no compensation for this post or the link.

[waksupi]

I used it about a month ago, and it did help some pain. Then my doctor decided I needed an MRI. Found out the previous doctor I had several years ago had misdiagnosed me, and he had put me through physical therapy treatment that was sheer torture. I was nearly immobile the past three years. Now I can walk again, and the pain is pretty much gone. I guess that has nothing to do with the oil, I'm just so happy to be mobile again!

[Burnt Fingers]

THIS IS A REAL ISSUE. Be very careful with anything that MIGHT contain MJ..... Drug tests CAN pick this up and cause you issues. My daughter is a application specialist for one of the top trucking companies in the US. And MJ causes a lot of issues. They do test Hair also (in most states) and it comes up a LOT. Way more than I would have thought. CBD in all forms CAN pop up as MJ use even thought it's packaged as THC free. There really isn't a standard on the THC content.
If you drive professionally, just don't...

Simply not true and there is a standard. Less than 0.3% THC is considered THC free.

https://www.lazarusnaturals.com/cbd-info

https://www.lazarusnaturals.com/amfile/file/download/file/gtguTqK0qExSsmOP6y1LT97tguoO7RkM/product/1030/

The test results for the CBD oil I'm using. NO THC detected.

[MrWolf]

Simply not true and there is a standard. Less than 0.3% THC is considered THC free.

https://www.lazarusnaturals.com/cbd-info

https://www.lazarusnaturals.com/amfile/file/download/file/gtguTqK0qExSsmOP6y1LT97tguoO7RkM/product/1030/

The test results for the CBD oil I'm using. NO THC detected.

Agreed. I was taking Bluebird botanical and they have a guaranteed thc free for cdl drivers. Should be no problems with reputable companies.

[farmerjim]

I tired it for a while, didn't help.

Not to rain on your question, however, there has been a documented placebo effect of 50% on most drugs.
http://in5d.com/placebo-effect/

Didn't do a thing for me. My my doc said that the studies never proved yes or no about CBD. I said it was probably the placebo effect that helped so many people. He replied that the placebo effect is very powerful. If it works for you, don't question it.

[IHuntDragons]

Works great for what we use it for; aches and pains, anxiety, and my mom's hot flashes. So well that after finding the one that worked best for her she started selling it. My dad is a big CB supporter, and if anyone is interested i'm sure he could get a special CB coupon code for anyone who wants to try it at a steep discount. She even gives the dog treats to her dogs and chickens. The stuff she sells isn't as cheap as some of the garbage on the market, but it's all organic ingredients and THC free with the labs to back it up. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll get a coupon code from him and pass it along, if not no worries.

[tbpollard]

Seems like it works for some, does nothing for others.

[David2011]

I have arthritis in the tendon in my hand that causes the thumb to lift. It can make that thumb almost useless. As long as I rub CBD ointment on it daily it remains pretty much pain free. If I forget to use it for more than one day the pain returns with a vengeance.

[dale2242]

I took CBDs in every possible way it could be used for low back pain.
I have severe arthritis in my low back.
After having spent more money on CBDs than i care to talk about, they did me no good what so ever.
My daughter had a large benign brain tumor removed 5 years ago.
CBDs help her with seizures.
A number of people I know say it helps them.
It just never helped me.

[Lloyd Smale]

I never took it for pain but smoked my share when i was young. Ive suffered back pain (6 operations) for 15 years. Ill say this. If you tell me pot relieves pain ill tell you you dont know what pain really is. What you have is a little ache. Might let you sit in the chair eating doritos in a daze. No doubt works as a appetite increaser in people taking chemo but you will eat more and ive never seen where putting on more weight helped with muscle or bone related pain. Couple Tylenol or advil does much more then pot ever will to reduce pain. But if you want to get high go for it. Just dont bs me by claiming your doing it because of your pain. been there and done that and know better.

[imashooter2]

CBD isn’t pot, and pain relief isn’t absolute. Quantitative easing is what you get.

[Lloyd Smale]

sorry but its a con job. Its kind of like i tell my wife about that bs pain factor crap on tv. They tell you relief in a week. Well most injurys that cause pain heal in that amount of time so people think there getting better because of snake oil. They could put cooking oil in a capsule and tell people it came from pot and some old hippys would say it was the best thing since white bread. Like i said. If that crap helps you then you dont know what real daily pain is. Maybe buy some relief factor, cbd, salon pas and wrap yourself in copper infused stretch material. You sure will make the sellers feel better.

[bluebird66]

My brother swears by it but I'm afraid to try it because of my cdl.

[Irishguy]

Its the only thing that makes my life bearable.
I have fibromyalgia, small fiber neuropathy, and im in 3rd stage renal failure.
I can not move without something to keep the pain managable.

[Iron369]

My brother swears by it but I'm afraid to try it because of my cdl.

We’ve had several people lose their jobs from cbd oil after losing their cdl.

[yovinny]

I tried some pills from a buddies wife thats a distributor.
While it did help with sleep,, they didnt do anything for my daily pains, except make me drag ass in the mornings and take forever to come alive.. no thanks..

[Handloader109]

Simply not true and there is a standard. Less than 0.3% THC is considered THC free.

https://www.lazarusnaturals.com/cbd-info

https://www.lazarusnaturals.com/amfile/file/download/file/gtguTqK0qExSsmOP6y1LT97tguoO7RkM/product/1030/

The test results for the CBD oil I'm using. NO THC detected.

Well, there is NO government testing for this, (yeah, I know, but the FDA is pretty dang good for the most part. and a guarantee from a company that is making a NON Regulated product good enough for you when your livelihood is at risk?
THERE have been folks fired over this that have a CDL. Only takes ONE bad batch...
USE at YOUR own risk.

[kerplode]

CBD can be helpful for many people for a variety of conditions.

But CBD products are currently sort of the Wild West. As stated, the Feds set THC limits, but not all of the companies peddling CBD products test sufficiently to guarantee compliance. It's also the case that many companies peddling CBD products are just in it for the cash and are selling crap that in some cases doesn't even have any CBD in it at all.

So buyer beware. Do research and do your best to make sure you're dealing with somebody reputable. Topical (but NOT transdermal) products may be better as they don't really end up in the bloodstream. But if your job absolutely depends on a clean test, maybe it'd be best not to experiment at all...Just go get a script for Oxy from your Doc. ;-)

[.429&H110]

Here in the retirement village there are three CBD stores and they all hand out free samples. Some old folks say snakeoil and some say works great. CBD has no effect on my arthritic hands at all. WD-40 works much better so I spray my hands when I shoot the Ruger. SWMBO says CBD's greatest thing ever. I suppose we are all wired a bit differently. YMMV.

[KenH]

I tired it for a while, didn't help.

Not to rain on your question, however, there has been a documented placebo effect of 50% on most drugs.
http://in5d.com/placebo-effect/
Yep, I believe that, but then that means the drugs actually work half the time?

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Here in the retirement village there are three CBD stores and they all hand out free samples. Some old folks say snakeoil and some say works great. CBD has no effect on my arthritic hands at all. WD-40 works much better so I spray my hands when I shoot the Ruger. SWMBO says CBD's greatest thing ever. I suppose we are all wired a bit differently. YMMV.

My Late Father used WD-40 for joint pain. I thought that was the craziest thing I ever heard (and honestly I still do), but he swore that it worked.

Like you say, we are all wired a bit differently...or maybe better put, each person's pain has it's own roots. CBD is a known anti-inflammatory, so if a person's pain is due to inflammation, it may help...It sure helped mine...but it wasn't instant, it took a good two weeks to kick-in...and let me tell you, I was sure skeptical until it started working.

[Screwbolts]

CBD oil works for my wife and I just great.

It in no way surprises me that those in this thread that have had success with CBD list and know the MG CBD content of the oil/cream/pills/capsules that they are ingesting!

CBD is not new, CBD is a natural product that big pharmacy wants gone because there is no money in it for them!

CBD helps level out blood sugar levels for diabetics, Both type 1 and 2.

Your milage will vary if you are ignorant to the strength or MG percentage of CBD you are trying.

One thing for sure is many of you add to your post counts daily!

Ken

[abunaitoo]

Is that the same as Hemp Oil????
I've been using Hemp Oil for a little while.
It's very subtle.
It works but you just realize it.
Squirt under the tongue, hold it there for a minute or so, drink some water to wash it down.
Works for me anyway.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Is that the same as Hemp Oil????

SNIP>>>
There is Hemp seed oil
and
there is Hemp seed oil with plant (full spectrum) extract.

There is little or no, CBD in Hemp seed oil
the plant extract contains CBD and a hundred other similar components.

[jsizemore]

Tobacco growers in my area have tried hemp growing to replace it. There is government oversight about the THC content of their crop. There is an acceptable amount of THC in their hemp crop. Beyond the magic number the crop must be destroyed. Most growers will plant 4 or 5 varieties so they don't chance having to destroy their whole crop.

Most have gotten out of the business because of the crop pest problem. Once it's mature you can smell it easily. The pests raid the the crop at night to supplement their pot supply as a cutting agent. Everybody's crop comes in around the same time so the sheriffs dept. can't keep up with all the calls. There is no allocation of funds in their budget for crop protection nor legislated in the state budget.
Private guards and thermal vision have been the norm. Most don't want to shoot somebody over a crop that's iffy as far as payment.

One family grows, processes, and sells their own oil. They were up to 12 stores and are now down to 6. Only relatives work in their stores.

I tried it for 2 months. Pain relief was immediate in my hands and shoulders. Turmeric took care of the burning sensation on the backs of my fingers. I've got HBP. At the end of 2 months, my heart would start thumping after taking the CBD oil. Never a problem after I discontinued its use. My doctor gave me it's approval before I started since it the same as she uses for her arthritis which she had used for the previous 2 years without issue.

Some stuff works for some folks and not others. Some folks pain tolerance is higher than others. Some folks don't feel pain at all.

[abunaitoo]

There is Hemp seed oil
and
there is Hemp seed oil with plant (full spectrum) extract.

There is little or no, CBD in Hemp seed oil
the plant extract contains CBD and a hundred other similar components.

Thanks
Never knew that.
So which is better for ocasional pain???
Gout, arthritis, headaches.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Thanks
Never knew that.
So which is better for ocasional pain???
Gout, arthritis, headaches.
See jsizemore's comment, as I entirely agree with his words in regards to any dietary supplement.


SNIP...

Some stuff works for some folks and not others. Some folks pain tolerance is higher than others. Some folks don't feel pain at all.
With that said, I do have my opinions.

Gout is uric acid crystals deposited in the joints...you got to use something that will dissolve and flush it out of your system. You also have to use something to correct the metabolism of uric acid in your body, so it doesn't happen again. I don't believe Hemp seed oil or Hemp plant extract will do any of that.

Headaches...Isn't there as many reasons for a headache, as there are stars in the sky? CBD will likely help any headache that is induced by inflammation.

Arthritis, CBD should help that.

My opinion of Hemp seed oil, it doesn't do anything more or less than extra virgin olive oil. If you search out larger sizes of Hemp seed oil, you will find that it's about the same price as a good quality extra virgin olive oil. Hemp seed oil a nice carrier for Hemp plant extract. I would avoid sellers of small bottles of "Hemp oil", when the only ingredient listed is Hemp seed oil.

[abunaitoo]

I never knew they were different.
I always thought hemp had cbd in it.
Learn something new everyday.
I will try cbd oil.
My gout has been under control for a while.
It's what I eat sometimes, that is the trigger.
I try my best to stay away from those things, but temptation gets the best of me.
I have found Black Cheery Extract works great if I do have an attack.
Also Solaray Total Cleanse Uric Acid works great. But is expensive.
I blame the damacraps for my headaches.

[iomskp]

I got some oil for a friend who had prostate cancer, he said it gave him no relief at all.

[myg30]

They say it take a while for CBD to work and when it does you can cut back on the amount your taking. I just ordered some for my wife and I to try for our aches n pains.
If anything I understand you should at least get better sleep. That would be great too !
I will post back with my results. I’ll still be lurking !

Mike

[tinhorn97062]

I’ll try to keep this fairly short and simple.

For those seeking pain relief, CBD by itself really isn’t going to do a lot, because CBD is designed to work in conjunction with THC and the myriad of other cannabinoids contained in the cannabis plant.

For the same reason, THC by itself can easily cause undesirable symptoms such as mild paranoia and restlessness when used in an isolated manner.

There are MANY strains of cannabis, all with varying levels of THC and CBD, and not every strain will end up being “the bees knees” for the particular ailment.

For the best possible relief, contrary to what CBD salesmen will tell you, you’re going to want a full plant extract, including THC and every single other cannabinoid. Why? Because they work TOGETHER. That’s how the plant was created. It wasn’t created to have a single molecule isolated out and used, it was designed to have all parts working together.

All of that said- CBD can and does help with inflammation. THC can and does help with pain. Together, they compliment each other.

My particular body chemistry makes it useless to take opioids for pain. OTC stuff does absolutely nothing to me, and opioids are a small step up from there. I’ve found a couple strains of cannabis that produce amazing results.

Big pharma doesn’t want people to know the full bennies of cannabis, because that will hurt their profit margins. The federal govt wants to keep it illegal, because they make way too much money on the “war on drugs”, and subsequent convictions.

I went from spending all kinds of money on scrips, lining big pharma’s pockets, dealing with the constant (and very real) threat of opioid addiction, dealing with the nasty side effects of the scrips, to something that does NOT line big pharma pockets, is NOT addictive, does NOT have negative side effects, and is clean and organic relief.

The side effects?
- I sleep better than I have in a couple decades.
- My mood is a lot more even keeled.
- No withdrawals.
- No addiction.
- Cheap
- No brain fog
- plus many more

Feel free to PM me if you want more detailed information.


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[tinhorn97062]

As an afterthought: somebody mentioned something to the effect of doing some homework and getting reputable products.

That is absolutely stellar advice, because there is a lot of fake stuff being pushed. These fake producers really target those who are largely uninformed, and they prey on those who are simply seeking a solution to their issues. It’s terrible, but it happens in every other market as well.

So, do your homework. Maybe get to know somebody who can help educate you. Look at peer reviews- the general community is pretty good about spotlighting the fake stuff, as it gives everybody else a bad reputation also.


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[myg30]

My wife did some research because of the grapefruit warnings on the CBD oil. Since she takes blood thinners and cholesterol meds she decided to not try this till she talks to her Dr.
She also read some Drs will not treat you if your on CBD.

Since Monday, dropper at night before bed. No sleep gain
Tuesday 1 dropper morning and night, no sleep gain yet.
My hands feel better w/ arithritis, maybe more focused and overall feel ok.
Stay tuned
Mike

[fcvan]

My oldest daughter was in her mid-thirties, and suffering from wicked arthritis. One day, I saw her sitting up cross-leeged on the floor with her kids. She sprang to her feet, bounded across the floor toward the kitchen. She stopped and did some yoga-spinal twist, cracking he back before bounding off the the kitchen. "Hold the darn phone, you haven't been able to do that for 5 years."

My oldest daughter explained she had started with CBD the week before. I asked her for more details. she explained bout the CBD came from a dispensary and showed the Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometer results from the lab (I formerly worked in a lab with a GCMS) that tested the CBD compound. I told her to call her younger sister.

My middle daughter had been in a Motor Vehicle Accident and was in so much pain she was basically unemployable. She would at a job interview but be so impaired by pain it was visible. Not wanting to take opiate based pain meds, she use the usual Tylenol and Advil, which did not help. She started with CBD, was employed the following week.

My mother, recently having turned 82, had a knee replacement some time back and was still in pain. I told mom to talk to my daughters about their experiences with pain management. My dad, not even being a fan of green leafy plant based CBD, drove mom to a dispensary. Mom was able to buy the same CBD product/manufacturer at the local pharmacy. CBD helped with her knees, but a degenerating spine required surgical correction. That was last month, she is doing her Physical Therapy, pushing it too hard just with like her knee.

But, my parents are Dust Bowl Farm Kids, and only moved off the farm when dad was mid 70s. Stubborn and determined are not negative traits, it is just in their DNA. I thought they were going to be more stubborn about the CBD thing.

[dagger dog]

The copper, magnets, cbd, dsmo, are all in the same basket that the sellers use to make $$$.

[Burnt Fingers]

The copper, magnets, cbd, dsmo, are all in the same basket that the sellers use to make $$$.

I'll disagree. CBD works for many people. It even works for pets. My buddy has a rehomed war dog. She would panic if he left her sight. He started giving her CBD supplements and the change was dramatic. The CBD worked better than any prescription med he had tried.

Everyone I personally know that has tried CBD has had excellent results.

But we're not buying some generic product from the gas station. We're buying a product that contains CBD and is lab tested.

Also the company we use gives a 60% discount to Veterans, low income, and disabled people.

[myg30]

Update from my last post. I increased the 1 dropper full to 2 droppers at night and sleep much longer and better quality of sleep.
As far as day time, I don’t always take the cbd and I think I can honestly say that it does help with regular pains along with the added drops I put on the arthritis in my hands.

I use the cbd product mentioned on 1st page from Lazarus. They provide you with the lab tested results specifically for the date coded product you were sent.

Your results might vary but I do believe this helps me out.

Mike

[MrWolf]

I'll disagree. CBD works for many people. It even works for pets. My buddy has a rehomed war dog. She would panic if he left her sight. He started giving her CBD supplements and the change was dramatic. The CBD worked better than any prescription med he had tried.

Everyone I personally know that has tried CBD has had excellent results.

But we're not buying some generic product from the gas station. We're buying a product that contains CBD and is lab tested.

Also the company we use gives a 60% discount to Veterans, low income, and disabled people.

Bluebird?

[Burnt Fingers]

Bluebird?

Lazarus Naturals.

As far as I've found they have the highest potency at the best price.

[Bmi48219]

My wife is a firm believer in cbd oil. Gives it to the dogs too. Oldest is a 15 + year old cocker poodle. It does seem to help her stiffness. I don’t use it myself. I sleep great, have occasional shoulder pain after driving long distance & knee joint pain if I’m dumb enough to kneel without a cushion.
The thing that works best for me for pain relief is Magnesium Oil spray. Spray it on and in less than a minute I’m pain free for hours.
We were at a neighborhood get together before the plandemic. I had just started using it and was telling a buddy about my results. Ten minutes later the wife walked home and brought the bottle back. Several neighbors tried it on aches & pains. They all felt instant relief and were ordering it on their phones as we sat there. My neighbors swear by it now, and they’re all Well past 65 years old. It won’t cure a hip or knee that needs to be replaced but will relieve some of the pain.
Wife had researched it thoroughly. Magnesium is something the body needs that isn’t present in most foods. I read spraying it on soles of feet promotes sleep and general health. Seems the soles allow body to absorb minerals and such. It’s worth a look for muscle & joint pain, headaches and the like. Way cheaper than CBD oil and no controlled substance worries.

[Burnt Fingers]

My wife is a firm believer in cbd oil. Gives it to the dogs too. Oldest is a 15 + year old cocker poodle. It does seem to help her stiffness. I don’t use it myself. I sleep great, have occasional shoulder pain after driving long distance & knee joint pain if I’m dumb enough to kneel without a cushion.
The thing that works best for me for pain relief is Magnesium Oil spray. Spray it on and in less than a minute I’m pain free for hours.
We were at a neighborhood get together before the plandemic. I had just started using it and was telling a buddy about my results. Ten minutes later the wife walked home and brought the bottle back. Several neighbors tried it on aches & pains. They all felt instant relief and were ordering it on their phones as we sat there. My neighbors swear by it now, and they’re all Well past 65 years old. It won’t cure a hip or knee that needs to be replaced but will relieve some of the pain.
Wife had researched it thoroughly. Magnesium is something the body needs that isn’t present in most foods. I read spraying it on soles of feet promotes sleep and general health. Seems the soles allow body to absorb minerals and such. It’s worth a look for muscle & joint pain, headaches and the like. Way cheaper than CBD oil and no controlled substance worries.

Why not just take a magnesium supplement?

BTW, skin absorption is HIGHLY overrated. If you could absorb water through your skin you'd gain weight during a bath or when you went swimming.

Here are some actual studies on absorbing magnesium through the skin.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5579607/

Overcoming this layer in significant quantities is only possible for lipophilic substances. In magnesium chloride solution, magnesium is present in ionized form and therefore not able to penetrate a lipophilic layer. In addition, the radius of the hydrated magnesium ion (86 pm) has been reported to be 400 times higher than its dehydrated form, leading to the assertion that it is almost impossible for magnesium ions to pass through biological membranes

If magnesium absorption through the skin worked then simply using Epsom salts in water would greatly increase the amount of magnesium through the skin.

Also study placebo effect.

[Bmi48219]

Why not just take a magnesium supplement .

I take a magnesium supplement daily. Magnesium pills are large and pass rapidly through the digestive track before being fully absorbed. I can see how magnesium chloride would not be absorbed through the skin any better than the other treatments (skin patches for nicotine cessation, insulin etc). Look it up Topical Use of Magnesium Oil. It works for me.

[Burnt Fingers]

I take a magnesium supplement daily. Magnesium pills are large and pass rapidly through the digestive track before being fully absorbed. I can see how magnesium chloride would not be absorbed through the skin any better than the other treatments (skin patches for nicotine cessation, insulin etc). Look it up Topical Use of Magnesium Oil. It works for me.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00772DITE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The key is taking magnesium citrate. Those other pills have very low absorption rates.

Transdermal patches do work. But they are designed to do so. It's not quite as simple as just putting the medication on the patch. It's pretty hard to break the skin barrier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transdermal_patch

I've got a friend who's a doctor who has worked on a couple of transdermal delivery systems. It's a very exacting science. DSMO is one chemical that goes through the skin easily.

[remy3424]

My Late Father used WD-40 for joint pain. I thought that was the craziest thing I ever heard (and honestly I still do), but he swore that it worked.


Crap Jon, I think knew your father and you (or maybe a brother) 20ish years ago. OK maybe a different fella, but there was crazy fella in my area (took his kids to Boy Scouts for awhile, where I met him), sprayed WD-40 on his knees and rubbed it in. If he had used hand lotion, bet it would have had a better affect, the massaging was what helped I am guessing.

I am fighting a disk issue myself currently and after 2 and a half weeks I started slowly getting better. If I was on anything over this time, I could be singing the praises of it and it would have likely had nothing to do with the recovery. I guess if you are convinced it helps, keep doing it. The mind has a strong healing ability.

[marlin39a]

I knew a woman selling this cbd junk. She got neighbors, friends, and family to buy. Didn’t work worth a darn for anyone. She even wanted to get folks to give it to their pets. It is snake oil.

[kevin c]

Things I realized over 35 years of medical practice that mostly weren’t taught in medical school:

-Pain is real but experiencing it subjective. So is its relief.

-If medically accepted/established treatments aren’t working for a patient, it’s not unreasonable to look outside the box. It’s also not surprising that a severely affected person is not willing to wait for the medical proof that a cautious doc would want to have before trying something new.

-If something does work for a patient, my job shouldn’t be to belittle or dismiss it, but to make sure there aren’t any harmful downsides that the patient needs to understand.

-It is very, very true that what may not work for one person might be a big help to another. That goes for side effects too; what’s harmless in John might slam Joe.

What I was taught:

-Case reports are great for reporting new diseases and/or treatments, but proof of effectiveness, determining dosage, discovering safety issues, side effects and interactions with other meds often take much more effort and time.

-There are upsides to the regulation of medications, including certification of purity and concentration, and the requirements on labeling and description of known effects and side effects.

All the above applies to CBD products.

I’d say the jury’s still out in terms of proven medical benefit in the traditional sense, but if you’ve tried it and it works for you, people you know or pets you have, I won’t argue it.

Treated pets, by the way, likely aren’t subject to the placebo effect. If anything, there might be an issue with observer bias.

[Bmi48219]

Saw a pair of firearm oriented attorneys discuss CBD oil. They cautioned that taking CBD oil that does contain THC can put you in a trick bag with the ATF / FBI. On form 4473 you have to avow you don’t use drugs. If your CBD contains THC, a case can be made you are using drugs.
Reputable producers will provide lab test results for their products.

https://www.cbdpure.com/lab-test-results/pdf/CBDPure_1000_Batch_Code_52239.pdf

[Battis]

If your CBD contains THC, a case can be made you are using drugs.

What about where it's legal?

[MrWolf]

What about where it's legal?

From my understanding, it is legal in States but the Form 4473 is a Federal Form and they do not recognize THC as legal.

[Handloader109]

I would go back and read the question. You are not an illegal possessor or addicted user of marijuana. It is CBD oil. Not marijuana.
My wife takes heavy narcotics for her pain. She is under care of a physician and is regularly tested for about 60 substances. CBD oil has not been found on her last 3 tests, and she uses an ointment fairly regularly on her knees. Not daily, but enough a test should show it up. She had talked with the physician and no issue.

Do what YOU have to do for your health. Oh, if you are in a state that offers a medical marijuana card, then YES, you are definately considered a user.
Oh, I don't take advice from Ytube lawyers..... Worth just what you paid. Same as the above advise.

[gnappi]

Unless you have nerve or cartilage damage, try this.

Before I go into it, some background... I worked in a computer research and development lab and while running tests I often had time on my hands. One night I was playing with parts of an open and disassembled SCSI hard drive. I had a rare earth "super magnet" in my hands for a while just jumbling it around in my hands between various tests and realized my arthritic fingers didn't hurt any more. Hmm... not possible I thought, just coincidence. Arthritis is like that on and off with its effect, some days no pain, others I couldn't close my fist and I chalked it up to that.

A few days later my hand joints were especially stiff and painful so I poo-poohed myself while grabbing the magnet again, and in 5 minutes or so, no pain. The limit on closing my hand fully was still there but it wasn't painful to make a fist.

Now I'm not talking refrigerator magnets here, if you did stick one of these on your fridge, you'd pull down the fridge before getting it off. They're only removable by sliding them off a 90 degree corner.

Anyway, over time I let friends and associates "in" on it and they laughed outwardly at me, but the laughs died away when they tried it and asked where they could get a magnet, and I directed them to my scrap pile. It was fun watching them trying to separate an individual magnet from the pile. Recently my GF and her son who also have arthritic hands were talking about NSAIDS and I brought a magnet there the next visit. Now they both have their own super magnets for their hands.

Everyone I let try my hard drive magnets agreed it worked. How? Dunno, but it's no placebo effect I can say that.

[Bmi48219]

I would go back and read the question. You are not an illegal possessor or addicted user of marijuana.

None the less, THC is illegal to possess or use. Raw CBD oil can contain enough THC to show up on a drug screen. That is the reality. Reputable CBD oil companies will provide a detailed analysis report of their product such as the attachment in post #65. It behooves regular users of CBD oil to know what they are ingesting. With the continual pressure to restrict firearm ownership by any means, I’d prefer being overly cautious to having my 2A rights denied based on a technicality.
Opium is made from poppies. There was a time when consuming a poppy seed encrusted bagel would result in a positive reading for opium on a randomly administered drug screen.
More than one bread-winner had to explain being discharged to their spouse as a result.
As previously stated I don’t use CBD oil. My wife does and the sale is charged to an account in my name. Not being related to a high government official my caution is prudent.

[garciaisett]

I know that CBD oil can be used as a painkiller. From what I remember, a friend of mine has used CBD oil for his severe back problems. His doctor recommended it if I'm not mistaken. So you can also try, but I think you should get in touch with your doctor first. At least contact the guys from Legal Cannabis In Toronto (https://shivaasrose.com/). They will give you a quick overview of cannabis products to understand what product will suit you the most.

[gwpercle]

I know that CBD oil can be used as a pain reliever.

I know CBD Oil can get you 10 years in a Russian prison
Gary

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Gary,
The WNBA player that looks and walks rather manly ...was carrying Hashish oil, not CBD oil.

[gpidaho]

CBD does nothing for me. Gp

[jaysouth]

I have tried CBD in salve and spray form. It did nothing for me. However I know people who get relief from it. I encourage you to try it, it may work for you.

[gwpercle]

Gary,
The WNBA player that looks and walks rather manly ...was carrying Hashish oil, not CBD oil.

CBD oil is not legal in Russia ... in any form .
As such , individuals may not possess , sell or buy ANY CBD products in the country .

Don't believe me ... try to bring some in or out of Russia .

I know CBD oil can get you 10 years in a Russian prison .
Gary

[BLAHUT]

Try creaytom ( sp ) the leaf of tree in s. E. Asia, no mj hit for band subsences. Got it for my son at tabaco shop

[.429&H110]

I have had the opportunity to observe closely the new idea of geezers and legal THC.
Maybe the active ingredient in CBD is really the very low THC content.
An effective dose of THC is very small once you are saturated with it.
The stuff lingers for weeks...

All drugs affect all people differently.
I read that in a book and have seen it in person.
I'm serious, some people show no effects at all from THC/CBD.
But some are lost far far away in neverland, narcotized.
YMMV

ALL drugs ALL people ALL different!
Morning or evening a medicine can have a different effect.
Age weight metabolism allergies we are certainly individually made.

One man's aspirin is another man's bleeding ulcer.
There are no "safe" NSAIDS for long term pain.

A psychotic teenager smoking pot will soon be talking to the police, ending badly.

A little old lady eats a THC gummy, it's bedtime for her with a break from neuropathy.
It's what it's for, works great, won't harm her at all. I am surrounded by stoned little old ladies.
It's like an experiment with happy Guinea Pigs. Is it Alzheimer's, dementia, or are we just high?

Is she legal to drive the next day?
No!
She is still stoned, by law and a blood test.
She likely will piss hot for three weeks, and that idea's not on the warning label.
Does it affect her driving skills? Yes, by definition and by law.
DUI vehicular manslaughter is good for seven years in jail:
Judged and jugged for a gummy eaten two weeks ago.
That's fair, that's consequences, don't drive dirty.

I have been drug-tested in all my jobs, all my working life, a fact of life.
Of all my myriad bosses, only four were not morning drinkers.
Booze good; pot bad.

George Carlin said, "America has a dope problem. There's too many dopes."

[gwpercle]

Gary,
The WNBA player that looks and walks rather manly ...was carrying Hashish oil, not CBD oil.

I heard the Russians went easy on her (?) ... I mean ... "The WNBA Player that looks and walks rather manly" ( I like that ) ... They let her off with only 9 years in prison .

Oh Yeah ... Let's hear how bad a place America is now .
Gary

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I heard the Russians went easy on her (?) ... I mean ... "The WNBA Player that looks and walks rather manly" ( I like that ) ... They let her off with only 9 years in prison .

Oh Yeah ... Let's hear how bad a place America is now .
Gary

Did you see the video clips on the news, where The WNBA Player was speaking in court?
Talk about a deep voice :shock:

[Cosmic_Charlie]

Edibles and concentrates that have equal amounts of THC/CBD are good medicine for most. Gentle and mellow effect. But THC and firearms ownership do not mix! I gave up on THC years ago because of that.

[Loudy13]

Placebo? maybe some of the brands that don't actually have any real ingredients but my dog sure isn't affected by the "placebo effect". We ran out of her CBD oil and it took me a couple days to get back to the store I always but it from. She was back to yelping when turning her head and moving. Which was one of the reasons we started giving her drops along with her hips that don't move so great anymore. Now can one argue that dogs are different than humans? Sure. But When I can (2 years) without taking the chance of a hot test I am going to giver a shot.

[barnetmill]

Edibles and concentrates that have equal amounts of THC/CBD are good medicine for most. Gentle and mellow effect. But THC and firearms ownership do not mix! I gave up on THC years ago because of that.

Below is federal law that has catch phrases like 'whenever possible'

g. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

ATTACHMENT IISchedules of Controlled Substances in Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802).§ 812. Schedules of controlled substances.• (a) Establishment .............................
.........................• (c) Hallucinogenic SubstancesUnless specifically excepted or unless listed in another schedule, any material, compound, mixture, or preparation, which contains any quantity of the following hallucinogenic substances, or which contains any of their salts, isomers, and salts of isomers whenever the existence of such salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation:•

(1) 3,4-methylenedioxy amphetamine.• (2) 5-methoxy-3,4-methylenedioxy amphetamine.• (3) 3,4,5-trimethoxy amphetamine.• (4) Bufotenine.• (5) Diethyltryptamine.• (6) Dimethyltryptamine.• (7) 4-methyl-2,5-diamethoxyamphetamine.5• (8) Ibogaine.• (9) Lysergic acid diethylamide.• (10) Marihuana.• (11) Mescaline.• (12) Peyote.• (13) N-ethyl-

[huntinlever]

I've got a few issues which are pretty intrusive. One is a central nervous condition that means my whole body burns at a high level constantly, and the other is substantial arthritis from too-aggressive a training during my 30's, screwing my spine and hips up (the spine and the central neuro thing are connected - jacked up my cervical spine/spinal chord at the junction w/ the brain in addition to the arthritis everywhere else). I've never found CBD by itself to do much. I do know this is highly individualistic, though, with many people getting great relief. Good luck.

[huntinlever]

Edibles and concentrates that have equal amounts of THC/CBD are good medicine for most. Gentle and mellow effect. But THC and firearms ownership do not mix! I gave up on THC years ago because of that.

There's some evidence that at least some THC helps actuate the benefits of the CBD, far better than when CBD is used alone. Agreed - not a good mix with firearms.

[PuppetZ]

Today I ordered 30ml of CBD oil essential hemp oil. It was suggested to me for insomnia.
From what I read above, many praise its effects on sleep. I hope it will go well, it's the first time I'll be consuming a cannabis product.
How much do you guys pay for the hemp oi? I got it for $48 from https://www.stateofmindlabs.com/.

[hc18flyer]

Be cautious with any CBD product, you may not be sure what you have? I serve as a volunteer EMT, with our ambulance service. Recently I had a patient that took " a couple" of gummies, ended up unconscious for 36 hours, intubated, ER visit, and a helicopter ride to a major medical center. It made me pretty reluctant to give CBD a try! hc18flyer

[Handloader109]

Might help the insomnia but I doubt it. Wife got some a while back foe pain, less use than taking a Tylenol. Get some melatonin for insomnia.

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[MrWolf]

Be cautious with any CBD product, you may not be sure what you have? I serve as a volunteer EMT, with our ambulance service. Recently I had a patient that took " a couple" of gummies, ended up unconscious for 36 hours, intubated, ER visit, and a helicopter ride to a major medical center. It made me pretty reluctant to give CBD a try! hc18flyer

I went with a place my pain place recommended. Did nothing for the pain but it might help with sleeping. Stuff wasn't worth it to us.

[jsizemore]

I asked my doc how it worked for her. She said it made the difference between her staying on her feet during clinic hours and having to take frequent breaks. It would hurt me watching her walk before she started taking it. It was almost immediate help for me when the arthritis came to visit but decided to stay. After a couple months the effect wore off. A former nurse told me about Turmeric and it's still working. A 500mg extra strength acetaminophen twice a day takes care of the daily stuff unless I overdo it then I double up. Regular non or low impact exercise also helps. Just got to know your limitations. I heard that somewhere before. Good Luck

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Today I ordered 30ml of CBD oil essential hemp oil. It was suggested to me for insomnia.
From what I read above, many praise its effects on sleep. I hope it will go well, it's the first time I'll be consuming a cannabis product.
How much do you guys pay for the hemp oi? I got it for $48 from https://www.stateofmindlabs.com/

That's about the going rate for a quality product that is 3rd party tested. The 30ml bottle for $48 from your link, contains about 500mg of CBD. I buy from a trusted farmer/friend. I go with a higher concentrated solution (over 2000mg) in same 30ml bottle for a price that's about quadruple, but sometimes there are sales, like 40% off.
Finding a source that's trustyworthy is probably the most important thing when it comes to any supplements like CDB.

[MrWolf]

I asked my doc how it worked for her. She said it made the difference between her staying on her feet during clinic hours and having to take frequent breaks. It would hurt me watching her walk before she started taking it. It was almost immediate help for me when the arthritis came to visit but decided to stay. After a couple months the effect wore off. A former nurse told me about Turmeric and it's still working. A 500mg extra strength acetaminophen twice a day takes care of the daily stuff unless I overdo it then I double up. Regular non or low impact exercise also helps. Just got to know your limitations. I heard that somewhere before. Good Luck

Careful with taking to much acetaminophen as it can mess up your liver. I was advised by my old doctor who used to be a pharmacist before becoming a doctor.

[kerplode]

Careful with taking to much acetaminophen as it can mess up your liver. I was advised by my old doctor who used to be a pharmacist before becoming a doctor.

Maximum safe dosage is between 3000mg and 4000mg per 24hrs, so probably best to stay below 3000mg.

It's in everything these days, though, so it's not too difficult to end up taking a lot more than you realize you're taking.

[jsizemore]

Careful with taking to much acetaminophen as it can mess up your liver. I was advised by my old doctor who used to be a pharmacist before becoming a doctor.

I'm allergic to NSAID's so acetaminophen is the go to. I limit my dosage so I can safely take a double dose if necessary without causing any ill effects by getting to the 3000mg/24hr threshold. So far it's working with the doc's blessing. If all else fails I got the opiate stuff to fall back on. Then my hobby will be sleeping.

[justindad]

Comments about THC and firearms not mixing are puzzling. I avoid coffee when I go to the range, let alone anything more. I sure hope no one is doing anything harder than THC, like mixing alcohol with firearms! Alcohol shuts down your frontal lobes.