Loverian boolets, do the need special handeling??

[Krag 1901]

I have a whole bunch of 311467 (~177gr) boolets I cast a few years ago when I guy who helped me start casting loaned me a Lyman four cavity mold. I must have 15 lbs of them!

I never had much luck with them, but then I never tested them as much as I have my Lee bullets or the 314299s that Lyle also loaned the mold for.

During the Covid shut down I have been musing about using them again and thought I'd ask the forum about what I was doing wrong?

The nose of this boolet is just over .302 and tapers quickly to over .308 by the third ring, going up to .314 at the 8th base ring. I size to .311 for my .30 cals and have pretty good result with my Lees and the 314299s.

I read the Lyman handbook and find no mention of special handling or techniques for this type of boolet. :coffeecom

[Bazoo]

How much lube you giving them? Give them the same amount as your other bullets. Too much will cause inaccuracy.

[RickinTN]

Yep. Try lubing the bottom 2 or 3 grooves. I get excellent accuracy from the 30 caliber Saeco version of that bullet.
Good Luck,
Rick

[Walks]

I have the #287405 & #311467, I lube the bottom 4 grooves of each.
The #287405 sized to 1893 carbine .285dia. It has a small bore. 1 1/2" groups with a Burris 2 3/4 Scout scope. And it has done better.
The #311467 sized to .310 shoots to 3" in an old M1917 with a rough bore.
I cast both of Linotype and use 50/50.

Into PC now, both bullets will be PC'd next time those rifles go to the range.

[Krag 1901]

I've been tumble lubing with Lee Alox. once before sizing and once after. I haven't hand any problem with my Lees and no leading in either my .308W or 1901 Krag. Both bores are factory freshish. I put a new barrel on the Krag but even theold 1901 bore, which was a bit pitted didn't lead much with my LLA lubing. I don't have a lube sizer, just LLA and a Lee push thru .311 die.

These are all Linotype alloy. I was thinking that maybe loading the longer might help as the boolet doesn't get to groove Dia quickly.

[RU shooter]

I've shot the 466 and 467 bullets in various 30 cal rifles and never had what I would call great results , same accuracy as some others but never the best of the best .

[jimb16]

I lube my Loverins only as deep as I plan on seating them. I usually use them in my single shot .30-30. That rifle is fussy about what it gets fed. The 150 gr. is the most accurate of all the bullets I've tried in it.

[quilbilly]

I have Loverins in .24, .25, and .30 calibers and have tumble lubed them with the Lee Alox the same way as all others with no problems. All have shot well and my .30's have been slightly more accurate than others of the same size in both 30/30 and 308 Win.. Like others have said, I lube lightly before sizing and a little more heavily after sizing.

[ShooterAZ]

I use the Noe 314407 (fat 30) in the Mosin Nagant with pretty good results. I seat the gas checks, size to .314, and I dip lube them in LLA to about the 3rd or 4th groove.

[10x]

I have a number of Loverin molds that cast a 0.311" or 0.312 bullet.
Every one of them gives excellent accuracy with Lee liquid alox lube or powder coat.
I use gas checks and size to the largest diameter that will easily chamber in the rifle - the barrel throat does a final resize to bore diameter.
I have used them in 7.62x39 , 30-30, 308, 30/06, and 303 british with good results. With Lee Liquid Alox and powder coat these bullets seem to like velocities up to 1750 fps. I have not attempted faster with powder coat but now I have good chronograph (Labradar) and will be attempting higher velocities.

[Krag 1901]

An interesting thing I found in Lyman #3 book is that the 311467 has a Ballistic Coefficient of .382 and 2100 fps a the muzzle will yield ~1,000 fLbs at 250 yards!
I'm going to try slower powders with them to see if they will work better than the 2400 I had tried them with.

I'm going to try 4198-A2015- H-322 and RL10x. Not the slowest powders, but If they show some success, I'll try H-414. At least these are powders I have.

Loaded to the base of the neck in .308W they come out to be 2.845" COL. Look like an old 6.5mm cartridge:bigsmyl2:.

[charlie b]

Have you tried loading them long enough to jam into the lands a bit? Sometimes I find that helps with a bullet.

[Krag 1901]

Have you tried loading them long enough to jam into the lands a bit? Sometimes I find that helps with a bullet.

[/B] The nose is 0.445" before it hits .302Dia. Always pays to triple check. I just bought some fresh sharpies and Tried clambering the 2.845 test cartridge and stuck the try cartridge in the gun! Had to resort to a rubber hammer to get it unstuck! So I sized a spare case to just accept a sized boolet loosely and chambered it. COL turned out to be 2.770" With the lands at ~2.250"

Let that be a lesson guys, always check three times before you load and write it down!

I'd have felt REALLY STUPID with 50 test cartridges I couldn't chamber at the range, wouldn't I?[smilie=b::groner: